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Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Sarcopenia posted:

No, no, no you guys. the worst loving episode of "Sword and Scale" was the one without no loving warning that starts of with a guy talking about how he choked and sexually abused his young son.
I've just started listening to "Thinking Sideways" and it's OK. "Criminal" is really good but it rarely updates.


On another note , I just saw a video by fellow goon Infamous Sphere about a Mad Men queer and women-folk retrospective where she talks about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_sleep


This really fucks me up as a women who now really, really want's to have children. Especially when you throw in the the whole old schooly "Hey I'm having a real good golf game going. That woman who is giving birth (even if she's the wife of Joseph P. Kennedy) I'll just make her hold it in until I'm done-thing. I now it is a long time ago but it scares the poo poo out me. How can you make birth less painful but yet WORSE???

y'know, the whole 'not knowing if your kid is really yours' thing also applies to all fathers.

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Degenerate Star
Oct 27, 2005
unlikely

Cumslut1895 posted:

y'know, the whole 'not knowing if your kid is really yours' thing also applies to all fathers.

Or it did up until the dawn of DNA testing

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless

Degenerate Star posted:

Or it did up until the dawn of DNA testing

well yeah, but that also applies for twilight sleep women

lets pour out a drink for whoever invented dna tests.

Vladimir Poutine
Aug 13, 2012
:madmax:

Mak0rz posted:

I liked Sword and Scale, despite the often annoying narrator, until they covered the Ukranian hammer murder video, the Greyhound bus beheading and a third person in that multi-part episode I won't even mention because he probably still googles his name when he has the chance and masturbates furiously to people talking about him.

Then it became pure shock porn and I stopped listening to it.

Yeah, I remember them playing the audio from the hammer murder video. Here's a Caitlin Moran article about her reaction to accidentally seeing that video.
http://web.archive.org/web/20110629121815/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article5483397.ece

quote:

It took 1 min 47 seconds for my memory to become host to a horror that will never go

It is the details in watching someone die that are the most awful and rattle you the most


Four weeks ago I saw a murder on the internet. There isn't a punchline to this; it is not an intriguing play on words. Four weeks ago someone on a chatboard posted a link, with the exhortation: “See if you can keep your breakfast down after watching this! I couldn't!”

Since “See if you can keep your breakfast down after watching this!” is, as one poster pointed out later, the kind of comment that, in the 21st century, precedes a link to a very fat woman trying to get out of a very small car or - if the chatboard is really bitchy - that shot where Mischa Barton is mixing Lacroix and Chanel very badly, quite a few of us clicked on the link.

Instead, it took us to some footage shot on a mobile phone, in some bland, murky woodland. It appears to be early summer. Fifteen feet away there's a man on the ground. It's immediately clear that a great many terrible things have happened to him quite recently, and that he will die very, very soon.

The point of writing about this is that I have not really felt the same since I saw the murder, so I am not going to describe things in great detail - even though it is the details in watching someone die that are the most awful, and fascinating, and that rattle you the most.

Of the non-gory things, it is the man's trousers - grey, slightly worn but ironed; the kind that a poor, proud man would wear if he were going to the bank, say, or visiting more well-to-do friends - that were the most upsetting. He had dressed in great calm, and great order. He was now dying in unimaginable disorder and distress.

I do have to tell you that the man was being tortured - and not torture as shown on television dramas or films, which often looks like an aerobics session with a particularly strict personal trainer. One where you just have to “work through the burn” for a few minutes, like Madonna, before effecting an exciting escape. Two similar-looking teenagers were gathered around the man, and their torture was about brutally killing someone very slowly.

The footage is nearly seven minutes long. I stopped watching after 1.47. I felt physically different - very very high, in a bad way, as if I were going to pass out. I was also, with sudden irrationality, worried that the footage might in some way damage my computer, which I turned off, then unplugged, then covered with a cloth.

I think really that that is what I would have liked to do with my brain, but I couldn't. I still wasn't really sure what I'd seen. A large part of me was working on the hopeful premise that it was a very convincing drama project by some students - the kind of thing that was about to become a big viral hit, and about which the Daily Mail would become enjoyably enraged.

Simultaneously, I was telling myself that it was probably a revenge attack - that this man had attacked a lover, killed a child, and although his murder was awful, in a world of almost infinite sorrow it was not the unconscionably profane insult to humanity that it first appeared to be. I was using the thought of torturous retribution as a comfort.

At 3pm, doing the school run, I walked past the zebra crossings and recycling boxes, thinking what a surreal, inappropriate thing it was to be a mother of two, in a pair of bourgeois Ugg boots, going to pick up her children from school while thinking of a man being murdered in a wood.

Of course, it did occur to me that for whole generations - whole populations - walking down a street thinking of murder and death is absolutely commonplace. I could see why my granddad - in common with most men returning from the front - never talked about what had happened. I'd always thought that it was because they didn't want to say “I've killed a man” or “I saw a man being killed”, as the simple immensity of the fact would be upsetting. I realised now that it wasn't the simple, enormous facts that were upsetting but, as I mentioned before, the details, instead.

Any follow-up statement to “I killed a man” would involve the unexpected, quiet, horrible sounds; the sudden crash course in the structure of the skull; the slowness and then the quickness of blood. Best not to make the initial pronouncement in the first place.

By the time I got back home - on a walk during which I held the girls' hands far more tightly than usual - everyone on the messageboard was in uproar. Ric had found out more about the footage, and posted a Wikipedia link on the subject. The murder really was a murder - and not a drama project after all.

It happened in 2007, as part of a summer-long spree in which 21 people were murdered in Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine. The trial is still going on. With possibly the biggest and most immediate sadness I have ever felt in my life, one penultimate sentence noted that most of the victims were vulnerable people - vagrants, the elderly, a pregnant woman, children. There was no comforting aspect of revenge.

And now, the additional nauseous business of the subconscious - for one unstoppable, white-light second - reimagining it all with children.

I don't want to overstate the whole thing, or be too dramatic. I had two subsequent nights during which getting to sleep was quite difficult, and I had to climb into my youngest child's bed and wrap myself right round her while pints of anxiety sat, like bad alcohol, in my guts. But it hasn't driven me insane, or made me question my world view. I am still an essentially shallow optimist. I am not damaged.

What I am, however, is host to something that will never leave. It made me realise that you should take great care in what you choose - often in a cavalier moment - to place in your memory, because some things will sit there for ever, like a bad seed; like a shadow on the moon; like a crow on a fence in a dream.

A very tiny part of me now, and will always, consist of an elderly man dying in a wood in Ukraine.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas
Unfortunately I think every man knows that guy who likes to share sick videos and pictures off the internet. I knew a guy at college who was always trying to show us stuff off rotton.com (not sure if it even still exists, and I'm not going to bother to find out). I figured as broadband Internet was in its relative infancy when he was doing this, the beheading videos, the videos of people being being hit by lorries, etc would disappear - banned or simply chased off the web by loving normal people.

I fear it is still a part of growing up with the internet, especially for young men, where the machismo element compels you to watch with your mates (now with added social media, so they don't even have to be in the same room!).

I managed to avoid most of them, though I have managed to watch two by accident. One was a guy getting hit by an indie 500 type car (or something similar), as he was running across the track to put out a fire. The creepy thing was, the video was set up as tribute to the driver, who was internally decapitated by the fire extinguisher the guy was carrying, but there was no mention of the guy who was flung 15 feet in the air and ripped in half from the centrifugal force of his own body. Like they were so desensitised to gore, they didn't even notice it. There may also have been an element of people blaming the run-over guy for the drivers death - he wasn't following safety protocol or something, as if he deserved to die for that.

EvilGenius has a new favorite as of 09:38 on Dec 20, 2015

tower time
Jul 30, 2008




As weird as the sword and scale host is, I find his attitude towards the victims to be much more palatable than last podcast on the left where the tone in which they discuss the cases is more what you'd expect from some drunk college students discussing a bad horror movie. Also the podcast where zupansky interviews authors about true crime cases is very hit or miss - the audio quality and general interview skills of the authors vary so wildly that one episode you are listening to crystal clear audio from a trained speaker, and the next you have a guy saying the word "Uh" every 5 seconds while mumbling in what sounds like an airplane hanger.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Cumslut1895 posted:

y'know, the whole 'not knowing if your kid is really yours' thing also applies to all fathers.
Er, that's not really the disturbing part of the twilight sleep thing. It's more the "hey, you were basically tortured and we didn't treat you well or give you enough pain meds, but it's all good since you don't remember it, right?" thing.

I really like that Caitlyn Moran thing. I feel the same way about images I'll never be able to get out of my head. One time when the internet was young, I downloaded what promised to be a BDSM porn video, but turned out to be something that was almost certainly rape. I shut it off and deleted it the instant I figured that out, but the minute or so I'd see up to that point remains in my brain 15 years later.

LUBE UP YOUR BUTT
Jun 30, 2008

EvilGenius posted:

I managed to avoid most of them, though I have managed to watch two by accident. One was a guy getting hit by an indie 500 type car (or something similar), as he was running across the track to put out a fire. The creepy thing was, the video was set up as tribute to the driver, who was internally decapitated by the fire extinguisher the guy was carrying, but there was no mention of the guy who was flung 15 feet in the air and ripped in half from the centrifugal force of his own body. Like they were so desensitised to gore, they didn't even notice it. There may also have been an element of people blaming the run-over guy for the drivers death - he wasn't following safety protocol or something, as if he deserved to die for that.

Part of the reason for that might be it was the marshal's action which caused the accident. He ran onto an active track without permission and the driver was unable to avoid him

Your Gay Uncle
Feb 16, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I find the Sword and Scale episodes I Like the most are the ones where the host talks the least. The less time he gets to go off about the hordes of schizophrenics waiting outside your door so the can eat your children's eyeballs the better. The DeeDee Blanchard episode he just did was really good though. I couldn't stand Last Podcast on the Left, it was just 4 really unfunny people trying see who can make the edgiest retard rape joke.

I've never been to squeamish about Internet videos. In high school we used to download Faces of Death clips off of Kazaa or Limewire, but the Luka Magnotta video was too much for even me.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Your Gay Uncle posted:

I find the Sword and Scale episodes I Like the most are the ones where the host talks the least. The less time he gets to go off about the hordes of schizophrenics waiting outside your door so the can eat your children's eyeballs the better. The DeeDee Blanchard episode he just did was really good though. I couldn't stand Last Podcast on the Left, it was just 4 really unfunny people trying see who can make the edgiest retard rape joke.

I've never been to squeamish about Internet videos. In high school we used to download Faces of Death clips off of Kazaa or Limewire, but the Luka Magnotta video was too much for even me.

Well yeah, faces of death is like 90% fake and 10% workplace accidents/bud dwyer. Compared to Isis videos, that hammer video etc it's basically babytown frolics

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.
PYF Unnerving Article or Story: Faces of Death is basically babytown frolics

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014

Cumslut1895 posted:

y'know, the whole 'not knowing if your kid is really yours' thing also applies to all fathers.


Lmao are you being serious?


pookel posted:

Er, that's not really the disturbing part of the twilight sleep thing. It's more the "hey, you were basically tortured and we didn't treat you well or give you enough pain meds, but it's all good since you don't remember it, right?" thing.

Also the whole doctors lying to you about advantages of a drug or procedure merely to make their jobs easier is pretty fun too.

NO FUCK YOU DAD
Oct 23, 2008
Last Podcast on the Left is OK. They can be unfunny edgelords but they hit that "joking over a few beers with your dumb buddies" sweet spot that I can put on in the background and make my work days go faster. I can see how they'd be pretty intolerable if I gave them my full attention for an hour at a time, and I certainly wouldn't listen to them if I actually wanted to know anything about the things they cover.

EvilGenius
May 2, 2006
Death to the Black Eyed Peas

LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:

Part of the reason for that might be it was the marshal's action which caused the accident. He ran onto an active track without permission and the driver was unable to avoid him

Yes, but my point was that people are talking over the details like this when YOU JUST SAW A GUY LITERALLY TORN IN HALF. Which is part of the reason I didn't recognise it as a gore video - it wasn't presented as one. It was a tribute to a dead driver that happened to have a guy BEING TORN HALF in it. I guess that's what I found the most creepy.

Degenerate Star
Oct 27, 2005
unlikely
Tom Pryce was the driver who died, and Frederik Jansen van Vuuren was the track marshal who ran across the track and got them both killed.

I've seen the videos of it many times. I'm not a gorehound by any means, but the whole thing is so brutal that it's surreal. You don't see Pryce die, really, and van Vuuren's death is so grotesque that it was hard at first to understand what I was seeing. It's unnerving as hell to watch him come apart into loosely-connected, nearly unidentifiable pieces that go flying and skidding across the track until they end up tucked up to a fence.

In one of the videos, his body looks like trash blowing across the track, because there's nothng recognizable to it, and it's that fast.

They didn't even know who'd been killed until they did a roll call later that day, and by that time people had walked past his remains several times without understanding what they were.

Tom Pryce died strapped into this car, which eventually rolled to a stop. Van Vurren was turned into debris in an instant.

Not replying to anyone's point, exactly.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

bowser posted:

A completely random killing here in Toronto



This was the surveillance footage of Bisesar at the scene of the attack.

I've never been spooked by paranormal stuff, but mental illness is horrifying :(.

This is pretty sad. It reminds me of that schizophrenic guy that decapitated someone on a bus. It's weird because I thought Canada was better about this sort of thing. On the other hand, if a person's mental health is failing but they're still functional you can't force them to get treatment (unless/until a crime like this happens).

nocal
Mar 7, 2007

FourLeaf posted:

This is pretty sad. It reminds me of that schizophrenic guy that decapitated someone on a bus. It's weird because I thought Canada was better about this sort of thing. On the other hand, if a person's mental health is failing but they're still functional you can't force them to get treatment (unless/until a crime like this happens).

People with schizophrenia are statistically less likely to commit crimes.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

nocal posted:

People with schizophrenia are statistically less likely to commit crimes.

Ok. Did I ever say otherwise?

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


EvilGenius posted:

Unfortunately I think every man knows that guy who likes to share sick videos and pictures off the internet. I knew a guy at college who was always trying to show us stuff off rotton.com (not sure if it even still exists, and I'm not going to bother to find out).

For years I confused somethingawful.com with rotten.com.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:

Part of the reason for that might be it was the marshal's action which caused the accident. He ran onto an active track without permission and the driver was unable to avoid him

he was part of a three-man team running across the track to help a driver who'd crashed and who's car was on fire. The other two managed to avoided Pryce's car.

Chichevache
Feb 17, 2010

One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

FourLeaf posted:

This is pretty sad. It reminds me of that schizophrenic guy that decapitated someone on a bus. It's weird because I thought Canada was better about this sort of thing. On the other hand, if a person's mental health is failing but they're still functional you can't force them to get treatment (unless/until a crime like this happens).

I work in a hospital as a guard in a psych ward. It's amazing how many times we release people who are clearly not functioning fully.:allears:
Have fun on the street! Hope the voices you heard in the walls don't follow you home and tell you to kill yourself!

Osama Dozen-Dongs
Nov 29, 2014

FourLeaf posted:

Ok. Did I ever say otherwise?

Why do you want to imprison innocent people, then? Just out of spite?

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.

Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:

Why do you want to imprison innocent people, then? Just out of spite?

Broken brains should just be culled. Why waste the imprisonment on them.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

AlbieQuirky posted:

I much prefer The Generation Why Podcast and Thinking Sideways to Sword and Scale.

Thinking Sideways seems to be spending all their time just reading the Wikipedia article aloud lately.

Doctor_Acula
May 24, 2011

monster on a stick posted:

Thinking Sideways seems to be spending all their time just reading the Wikipedia article aloud lately.

Yeah, I guess this is my problem with them lately. You can tell their research for some of these things are "well, I googled it and read everything on the first 3 pages" levels of effort.

Some of them are pretty great, but it's feeling more and more phoned in. Also they haven't done one in like 5 weeks, though they may have taken some time off. I don't know, as I don't follow them on twitter or anything.

I've been trying to find a good true crime audio book to use my Audible credit on, but everything seems bland.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:

Why do you want to imprison innocent people, then? Just out of spite?

I like how when I said "get treatment" you decided it meant prison.

Would I have been better off if my parents forced me to get therapy for my depression in college rather then three years later? Probably, but I had to consent to get it myself and I probably wasted several years getting worse grades, drinking too much, and missing out on many relationships I otherwise could have gotten as a result.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

You also wouldn't have learned from it or progressed until you realized that it was necessary and would help you.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
I decided to poke around on Texas Monthly's site at random, since they are consistently so good at true crime and at longform stories in general. This piece on the 1999 bonfire collapse at Texas A&M, which killed 12 students when approximately a million pounds of logs fell apart while they were standing on the structure, is both excellent and terrifying. Like the piece I posted earlier about the Texas tower shooter, it consists mostly of quotes from survivors, telling the story of the collapse and the history behind it in the order that it happened.

quote:

CHIP THIEL I was standing on top of the world—perched on fourth stack with three of my dearest friends—when stack started to sway.

DEREK WOODLEY I felt my swing sink a foot or two in the air. There was a loud snap, and then a god-awful cracking sound as the whole thing began to collapse.

TRAVIS JOHNSON I heard a horrible noise, and when I turned around, I saw it all come down. It was just horrendous, like something out of a bad dream.

CASH DONAHOE The whole thing shook, like a jolt had gone through it. Next thing I knew, I was falling backward. The world dropped out from underneath me.

ETHAN MCDANIEL It was probably the worst sound I have ever heard in my life; it was this giant pop, crack—like an enormous branch had been broken. That was the sound of the center pole splitting apart.

The "stack" in 1999 before the collapse (keep in mind that the center pole is 100 feet tall, and check the size of the people standing in front for scale):



And the fallen logs after the collapse:

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

monster on a stick posted:

Thinking Sideways seems to be spending all their time just reading the Wikipedia article aloud lately.

I liked the recent one about the porn image board with mercenaries, or whatever the hell that was.

Criminal and Here Be Monsters are okay but too copycatty of This American Life for me to love them. Stuff You Missed in History Class usually does a good job with mysteries and murders.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Jack Gladney posted:

You also wouldn't have learned from it or progressed until you realized that it was necessary and would help you.

I too believe that someone must consciously decide to have an illness treated before it will be effective. Hallucinations should remain until after the victim can already know they aren't real.

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

pookel posted:

I decided to poke around on Texas Monthly's site at random, since they are consistently so good at true crime and at longform stories in general.

Skip Hollandsworth (pretty sure his work has come up, he's mainly the true-crime guy) and Pam Colloff (in the quoted post) are the best of TM. They have some pretty badass photographers, too (disclaimer: including the guy that inspired/taught me to be a photojournalist).

packetmantis
Feb 26, 2013

Terrible Opinions posted:

I too believe that someone must consciously decide to have an illness treated before it will be effective. Hallucinations should remain until after the victim can already know they aren't real.

your username is apt

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Terrible Opinions posted:

I too believe that someone must consciously decide to have an illness treated before it will be effective. Hallucinations should remain until after the victim can already know they aren't real.

Here's it is, the dumbest post on the forums.

Close it all down, we reached peak idiocy.

dobbymoodge
Mar 8, 2005

Captain Monkey posted:

Here's it is, the dumbest post on the forums.

Close it all down, we reached peak idiocy.

:thejoke:

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

AlbieQuirky posted:

I liked the recent one about the porn image board with mercenaries, or whatever the hell that was.


If you have an episode number or other way to ID this episode, it sounds interesting as hell.

As for images you can never forget, I remember finding a series of short porn videos with this blonde chick that all seemed to be your average kinda weird home movies. I later learned that the chick had been kidnapped and forced to do them. Pretty sure I learned about it on this site. :(

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
Quick, stop this stupid argument and read this unnerving article. It's a bit long, be warned. Then cry in despair.

moller
Jan 10, 2007

Swan stole my music and framed me!

FourLeaf posted:

Quick, stop this stupid argument and read this unnerving article. It's a bit long, be warned. Then cry in despair.

A lesson to all Americans: Don't be a poor orphan - police hate that.

Dirty Deeds Thunderchief
Dec 12, 2006

bulletsponge13 posted:

If you have an episode number or other way to ID this episode, it sounds interesting as hell.

As for images you can never forget, I remember finding a series of short porn videos with this blonde chick that all seemed to be your average kinda weird home movies. I later learned that the chick had been kidnapped and forced to do them. Pretty sure I learned about it on this site. :(

I believe it's this recent episode: http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/lake-city-quiet-pills/

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Doctor_Acula posted:

I've been trying to find a good true crime audio book to use my Audible credit on, but everything seems bland.

I don't know what's on Audible, but if you can find a copy of Forty Years of Murder by Keith Simpson then do. He was Britain's top forensic pathologist for many years and worked a lot of high profile cases. It's CSI: Real Life.

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pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

FourLeaf posted:

Quick, stop this stupid argument and read this unnerving article. It's a bit long, be warned. Then cry in despair.

Yeah, I read this one a few days ago. In summary: men, you should read this, as you may find it shocking. Women, you will probably find it horrifying, but not shocking in the least. Worth a read in either case if you can stomach it.

quote:

She had reported being raped in her apartment by a man who had bound and gagged her. Then, confronted by police with inconsistencies in her story, she had conceded it might have been a dream. Then she admitted making the story up. One TV newscast announced, “A Western Washington woman has confessed that she cried wolf when it came to her rape she reported earlier this week.”

Spoiler: She didn't make it up.

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