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Stultus Maximus posted:On the other hand, the Democratic Party probably doesn't give a poo poo what internet liberals who routinely talk about how they would never join the centrist Democratic Party think or how many change.org petitions they sign. I'm looking forward to a wave of complaints on the various primary dates that the like, totally fascist poll officials told them they can't vote in their state unless they'd already registered as a Democrat with the state.
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pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/14/planned-parenthood-court-case.html Forcing women to look at ultrasounds, making them decide how they want the fetuses disposed of - All of this stuff would be so traumatizing for a scared woman seeking an abortion. Do these politicians not realize it would just lead to a bunch of self-induced miscarriages or neglected/abandoned babies? What about rape victims, or women who would want to keep their babies but they're not viable? It's just so heartless and cruel, and it's just pandering for votes.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Forcing women to look at ultrasounds, making them decide how they want the fetuses disposed of - All of this stuff would be so traumatizing for a scared woman seeking an abortion. Do these politicians not realize it would just lead to a bunch of self-induced miscarriages or neglected/abandoned babies? What about rape victims, or women who would want to keep their babies but they're not viable? It's just so heartless and cruel, and it's just pandering for votes.
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Dec 22, 2015 02:49
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Dec 22, 2015 02:52
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Samurai Sanders posted:I think the real goal is to make the women feel very bad about what they have done, so all of those situations are mission accomplished. I don't think many people who want to restrict access to abortion or any of that really believe it. They know a shitload of yokels out there do though, and that's who they're pandering to. There are tens of millions of people in this country that think that way, and they vote. That somehow makes it worse in my mind.
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CommieGIR posted:In light of NASA getting a bigger budget this year.... This is a big loving deal in the words of Joe Biden. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bTbVbe4e4&feature=youtu.be&t=41m42s Mitt Romney fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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pathetic little tramp posted:http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/12/14/planned-parenthood-court-case.html Yes, this law is just loving awful. Especially the misdemeanor charge they could face. There are other states moving to enact this law as well or they already have it as a law.
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fishmech posted:I'm looking forward to a wave of complaints on the various primary dates that the like, totally fascist poll officials told them they can't vote in their state unless they'd already registered as a Democrat with the state. Closed primaries are bad - yes. My state lets me register as unaffiliated - by voting in a primary I register/declare as a member of that party - and I can reregister as 'unaffiliated' at the municipal office with a 'cooldown' time before the next primary. States that don't have this mechanism are bad and should be agitated against.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't think many people who want to restrict access to abortion or any of that really believe it. They know a shitload of yokels out there do though, and that's who they're pandering to. There are tens of millions of people in this country that think that way, and they vote. That somehow makes it worse in my mind.
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McDowell posted:Closed primaries are bad - yes. My state lets me register as unaffiliated - by voting in a primary I register/declare as a member of that party - and I can reregister as 'unaffiliated' at the municipal office with a 'cooldown' time before the next primary. States that don't have this mechanism are bad and should be agitated against. Nah, closed primaries are good because they are party business.
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McDowell posted:Closed primaries are bad - yes. My state lets me register as unaffiliated - by voting in a primary I register/declare as a member of that party - and I can reregister as 'unaffiliated' at the municipal office with a 'cooldown' time before the next primary. States that don't have this mechanism are bad and should be agitated against. I can see both sides. I enjoy being able to vote in open primaries in my state but I wouldn't complain if I weren't allowed to.
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Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? Am I misreading this? Because it seems like every time he comes up everyone, even in leftist circles, just rips into him. As an outsider all I've really seen is the old TV show and some of the movies, but in all honesty hasn't history been generally kind; guns are still out of control and 9/11 is still used as material for fear mongering to this very day?
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Forcing women to look at ultrasounds, making them decide how they want the fetuses disposed of - All of this stuff would be so traumatizing for a scared woman seeking an abortion. Do these politicians not realize it would just lead to a bunch of self-induced miscarriages or neglected/abandoned babies? What about rape victims, or women who would want to keep their babies but they're not viable? It's just so heartless and cruel, and it's just pandering for votes. They would consider the bolded event an improvement, as from their perspective the neglected babies would otherwise be murdered.
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Stultus Maximus posted:On the other hand, the Democratic Party probably doesn't give a poo poo what internet liberals who routinely talk about how they would never join the centrist Democratic Party think or how many change.org petitions they sign. thats why they are smarter then the GOP. the GOP let all rabble rouses in because they thought they could be useful. Now they could be hosed because the inmates run the asylum.
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Pararoid posted:Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? Haven't seen any of his stuff lately but sometimes he argues in bad faith and he prefers to use highly emotive arguments rather than carefully reasoned ones.
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Pararoid posted:Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? He was made fun of a decent amount in the 90s over the tone and method of his first 4 documentaries and various earlier TV things, so what you're seeing is a return to how he used to be treated before he became widely praised. He also lacks a lot of subtlety.
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Pararoid posted:Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? He's the designated whipping boy so liberals can say "see, we don't tolerate extremists on OUR side." But yeah, his movies and TV shows were great and paved the way for things like the Daily Show segments we all praise.
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Pararoid posted:Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0
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I get what you're saying, but just to be fair though, doesn't 'lacks subtlety' play better over there than ever before?
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Pararoid posted:I get what you're saying, but just to be fair though, doesn't 'lacks subtlety' play better over there than ever before? A lot of it is backlash as everybody tries to wipe away their memories of the Bush years for various reasons, and he was one of the few people standing up to that tide.
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Pararoid posted:I get what you're saying, but just to be fair though, doesn't 'lacks subtlety' play better over there than ever before? It would to the general public, but the general public hasn't watched a Michael Moore thing in a decade or more. And the kind of people who do go to watch documentaries of his type find it pretty grating when it's done as much as he does.
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Some good explanations here, thank you.
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the right celebrate their loudmouth ideologues. the left, having a functional sense of shame, are generally embarrased of them, even if they quietly agree with them
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Trey and Matt Parker's Michael Moore in Team America was the beginning of the end. All primaries should be open primaries. Having two private organizations monopolize the government is dysfunctional - this is part of the Sanders pitch. It should be about policy ideas and implementation, not team jerseys. Information technology is the means by which the state and the general public can become one - in a sort of Marx/Bakunin way
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By the looks of it he's got a movie coming out tomorrow, so I guess he'll make his way back into the public consciousness in some way. US politics is probably more popular in New Zealand than our own local politics even at this stage of the election; I was speaking to a professor of US Pols and he said he usually declines to speak on US Pols in New Zealand because the population is comprised almost entirely of self-described US Politics experts.
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Speaking of Moore: For your bad holiday movie needs I would (not) recommend David Zucker's An American Carol, starring Chris Farley's brother and every Hollywood conservative ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2BKVsjtnWs
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Also wow I hadn't even heard of Michael Moore's 2007 movie which then got repackaged and rereleased in 2008: Captain Mike Across America and Slacker Uprising respectively. Apparently it's really dire, with a Rotten Tomatoes approval rating of 28% for the initial version.
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PUGGERNAUT posted:Forcing women to look at ultrasounds, making them decide how they want the fetuses disposed of - All of this stuff would be so traumatizing for a scared woman seeking an abortion. Do these politicians not realize it would just lead to a bunch of self-induced miscarriages or neglected/abandoned babies? What about rape victims, or women who would want to keep their babies but they're not viable? It's just so heartless and cruel, and it's just pandering for votes. Most either do not think of the consequences or when they do believe that harm that befalls the woman is well deserved. I know a guy who used to routinely hold armed protests on the steps of the capitol building in New Hampshire because freedom who then also shouted from rooftops how glad he was that a local woman died of complications due to an abortion performed by a physician. "They should have thought of that before they had sex" is a not uncommon phrase. Pararoid posted:Could someone explain to a non-American why almost everyone, even what I would have guessed were his original supporters, have turned on Michael Moore so distinctly? He's an extremely inauthentic douche who makes bad arguments. I mean have you watched a few panels or interviews with him? It's really bad. SavageBastard fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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euphronius posted:I think Trump mentioned Whitewater yesterday. Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Chinagate, Benghazi, Emailghazi, Speechgate, the Clinton Foundation, the Lincoln Bedroom, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Webster Hubbel, Monica Lewinski, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Broddrick, the Mena Airport, stealing all the "W" keys.... That's just off the top of my head. There's at least another dozen affairs and suspicious deaths each.
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fishmech posted:Nah, closed primaries are good because they are party business. Agreed, but caucuses are even better.
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Joementum posted:Chelsea Clinton just announced she's pregnant again and expecting in the summer, probably fishmech posted:I'm looking forward to a wave of complaints on the various primary dates that the like, totally fascist poll officials told them they can't vote in their state unless they'd already registered as a Democrat with the state. Yeah it cannot be that its democrats who don't like how incompetent she is as a DNC chairwomen, in that certianly contributed to the 2014 disaster. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Best Michael Moore movie is Canadian Bacon and it's not even close.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Just a reminder: don't let your users anonymously send bomb threats to school districts. USPOL Jan: "There’s a 90 percent chance of dicks tonight and a 90 percent chance of dicks tomorrow."
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Joementum posted:Best Michael Moore movie is Canadian Bacon and it's not even close. "I'm your worst nightmare... a citizen with a constitutional right to bear arms!"
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McDowell posted:All primaries should be open primaries. Having two private organizations monopolize the government is dysfunctional - this is part of the Sanders pitch. Then he shouldn't be running as a Democrat and using Democratic Party resources to bilk redditors and millenials out of millions of dollars. I get it...the two party system is horrible but it really irritates me when third-party or independent politicians run for president but do nothing outside presidential election season to grow their party/ideology. If people like Sanders really wanted to start a revolution they would be organizing groups to elect like-minded people for state legislatures, governorships, city councils, etc. in every election.
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what is this i dont even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSvSDEQY3D8
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moller posted:Speaking of Moore: For your bad holiday movie needs I would (not) recommend David Zucker's An American Carol, starring Chris Farley's brother and every Hollywood conservative ever. Everblight posted:what is this i dont even Ah, the great tradition of American conservative "humor".
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If she's so hated and considered incompetent outside of Internet whinefests, why is she still in power? Oh wait, it's because she isn't incompetent in the least.
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