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twistedmentat posted:Is she the one that wore the mask? Shaw's servent
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bobkatt013 posted:Shaw's servent Yep that's who I'm thinking off. I guess she saw Lelands outfit and said "yea, I'm just going to wear a mask over the lower part of my face rather than looking like that'.
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Dec 19, 2015 02:07
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Wikipedia's article on Angel/Archangel is seriously out of date. Last I read was that he "died" at the end of an Uncanny X-Force arc and was reborn with no memories. Has he gotten his memories back and what's the deal with his current powers? White skin, but metal wings? Still has his healing/healing factor?
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Dec 22, 2015 05:32
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Reinanigans posted:Wikipedia's article on Angel/Archangel is seriously out of date. Last I read was that he "died" at the end of an Uncanny X-Force arc and was reborn with no memories. Since they brought young Warren in nobody has really given a poo poo about original Warren.
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Rhyno posted:Since they brought young Warren in nobody has really given a poo poo about original Warren. It's kind of disgraceful how they just stone cold offed the old Cyclops, too. I liked that guy. 
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Dec 22, 2015 05:37
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Rhyno posted:Since they brought young Warren in nobody has really given a poo poo about original Warren. It's okay, he's going to be in Uncanny X-Men and he'll be good and fun and drawn by Greg Land and  E: Also I liked the line about "flaming Wolverine" because being on fire all the time is the best power and if you could be on fire all the time you should 
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Dec 22, 2015 05:41
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Rhyno posted:Since they brought young Warren in nobody has really given a poo poo about original Warren. Could you elaborate? I've seen the new X-Men series on the stands featuring the original five in their OG gold/blue costumes. Time travel shenanigans? I think I read that the Bobby from that set of dudes was gay and had a crush on Warren, but the regular timeline Iceman was still straight? What were the differences between the "normal" timeline X-Men and their "younger" counterparts? Do they interact with each other?
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Reinanigans posted:What were the differences between the "normal" timeline X-Men and their "younger" counterparts? Do they interact with each other? http://i.imgur.com/8PAwPyR.jpg Basically, most of their interactions has been "wtf dude", and the younger ones have not been impressed with their future selves. Well, except Jean, but with regular Jean being dead.
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Dec 22, 2015 05:48
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Reinanigans posted:Could you elaborate? I've seen the new X-Men series on the stands featuring the original five in their OG gold/blue costumes. Time travel shenanigans? I think I read that the Bobby from that set of dudes was gay and had a crush on Warren, but the regular timeline Iceman was still straight? They have a gently caress you dad attitude but they aren't that different. Well Jean is an rear end in a top hat, so there is that.
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Reinanigans posted:Could you elaborate? I've seen the new X-Men series on the stands featuring the original five in their OG gold/blue costumes. Time travel shenanigans? I think I read that the Bobby from that set of dudes was gay and had a crush on Warren, but the regular timeline Iceman was still straight? They interact with each other all the time, yes. Young Hank basically despises Old Hank, for one.
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Uncanny is probably gonna reset Archangel, which is good. For as good as Uncanny X-Force was, they sure had no idea what to do with Angel after that Apocalypse arc. Should have killed him, probably.
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If any of the original X-Men needed to be killed off it was Beast. He's become a total poo poo character. I'm pretty happy the rumor that Bendis was going to merge the two Icemen into one ended up being false.
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Dec 22, 2015 05:53
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redbackground posted:so now everyone hates Beast, especially Maria Hill 
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Dec 22, 2015 05:55
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Well yeah, original Beast loving sucks now and needs to be killed off or reverted back to happy fun Beast.
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Dec 22, 2015 06:05
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Who doesn't like Sanctimonious writer stand in Beast?????
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CharlestheHammer posted:Who doesn't like Sanctimonious writer stand in Beast????? So Bendis is saying that he is the worst? He has not been written as right for a while now.
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Dec 22, 2015 06:11
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Bendis already has Kong, you're not allowed to have more than one personal stand in!
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Have Terrible O5 Jean revert Beast to his happy phase. Y'know, for his "own good."
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Rhyno posted:Bendis already has Kong, you're not allowed to have more than one personal stand in! I miss Kong
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bobkatt013 posted:So Bendis is saying that he is the worst? He has not been written as right for a while now. Beast was that long before Bendis, though Bendis did it too.
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Dec 22, 2015 06:23
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bobkatt013 posted:I miss Kong He's a supporting character in Starbrand and Nightmask.
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WickedHate posted:The best part of that entire run. I can't deal with this poo poo Maria Hill is best Maria Hill.
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Dec 22, 2015 06:27
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Her time machine panel, probably from the same comic, was pretty good too. I think Aaron was building up to something with Angel because it was a running plot thread in WatXM but it kind of got dropped when Bendis took over.
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If I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times. Englehart's Stoner Hank is The Beast. All other Beasts are pale imitations.
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I actually liked Old Beast in that little snippet of Uncanny Inhumans I read. "I've hosed with the timeline so much that I'm now aware when other people are loving with it."
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notthegoatseguy posted:I think Aaron was building up to something with Angel because it was a running plot thread in WatXM but it kind of got dropped when Bendis took over. Aaron clearly had a plan and WatXm was the flagship book until Bendis came along.
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X-O posted:He's a supporting character in Starbrand and Nightmask. I wish that comic didn't leave me feeling completely disinterested in reading any more.
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twistedmentat posted:Yep that's who I'm thinking off. I guess she saw Lelands outfit and said "yea, I'm just going to wear a mask over the lower part of my face rather than looking like that'. I reminded of the brief and strange period - just before Mutant Massacre - when the main Hellfire Club characters all traded in their usual evening attire for supervillain costumes?
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Codependent Poster posted:Uncanny is probably gonna reset Archangel, which is good. In some strange way, the power of that arc is kind of reinforced by the way that Angel is still like that and they didn't go "oh, well, he got better" like a minute later.
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CharlestheHammer posted:They have a gently caress you dad attitude but they aren't that different. What were old Jean's character traits? All I can remember is her being the designated sexual conquest and turning into the Phoenix.
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MY ABACUS! posted:What were old Jean's character traits? Dying.
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MY ABACUS! posted:What were old Jean's character traits? All I can remember is her being the designated sexual conquest and turning into the Phoenix. SCOTTTTTT!!!!!
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MY ABACUS! posted:What were old Jean's character traits? All I can remember is her being the designated sexual conquest and turning into the Phoenix. Being meek. Later adaptations like First Class tried to give her a sassy personality but it doesn't really work. She's just kind of...there. e: basically she doesn't really get interesting until she's possessed by the Phoenix and turns into a bit of an egomaniac. HIJK fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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MY ABACUS! posted:What were old Jean's character traits? All I can remember is her being the designated sexual conquest and turning into the Phoenix. Jean's the one member of the original team who never really got any layers of additional characterization, because first she was Phoenix and then she was dead. Cyclops was the leader of the team for 30 years, and the other three all had lengthy periods of time on other teams. When Jean tried to leave the X-Men and make a go of it as a normal civilian, she almost immediately gets sucked back into shenanigans, and even if the X-Men hadn't done it, she was Misty Knight's roommate, so sooner or later Jean would've probably ended up fighting Luke Cage villains. (Actually, Jean Grey: Hero for Hire would be a pretty excellent What If. She never becomes Phoenix and she turns into a telepathic social worker.) In the early books, she's a 1960s-style female superhero, who gradually became more self-confident and outgoing as she went on, much of it as a natural counterpart to Cyclops's repression. Then her arc's mostly about being Phoenix, and the attendant risks of losing control, until she dies. When she comes back, Louise Simonson had her angsting for a while, but she gets over it by the time she rejoins the X-Men, at which point she also more or less goes back to her default "female superhero" characterization: competent, fearless, a very bad person to make angry. The closest thing to a standard personality she gets is probably close to what she has in the Morrison run, and even he went back to the Phoenix thing, because that's pretty much all that Jean ever got. She could use a solo book by somebody like Greg Rucka or maybe Willow Wilson.
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Jean always felt kind of strangled by being a motivation more than a person to me. She has traits but I honestly couldn't tell you any strong opinions she holds beyond the fairly generic heroic superheroine opinions. For all that Young Jean Grey is kind of a prying jerk she at least seems to have something resembling traits, even if they're negative.
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I've always been vaguely aware that Jean Grey existed, she was involved in some pretty major comic events, and she showed up in all the movies and cartoons, but yeah I never knew anything about her personality other than "feels she's more capable than everyone else because she's genuinely one of the most powerful mutants". Good to know I wasn't really missing anything.Wanderer posted:She could use a solo book by somebody like Greg Rucka or maybe Willow Wilson. I would be all for this. In fact we probably should have already gotten that instead of the Cyclops spin off from All-New X-Men but v  v.
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Rhyno posted:Aaron clearly had a plan and WatXm was the flagship book until Bendis came along. BENDIS! 
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Rhyno posted:Aaron clearly had a plan and WatXm was the flagship book until Bendis came along.
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redbackground posted:Any plan that involves a detour with an evil circus was not a very good plan. You're right. It is the best plan. Why did Aaron stop writing X-Men? Did Bendis just pull rank and say 'I want to write this now?' Were there some behind-the-scenes disagreements?
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I think Aaron just wanted to have fun writing X-Men. Bendis probably came in with his grand vision, and Aaron saw that as a good time to step away. This also could be around the time he was approached about Star Wars. Or let's just chalk it up to Marvel trying to ruin the X-Men.
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