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James Baud posted:You're making the standard mistakes here of assuming that a) everybody commutes to downtown Vancouver and nowhere else and b) that toll cheapskates are that big a problem during rush hour. As a former New West resident, I can readily attest to it being off-peak casual trip drivers who dodge tolls, most commuters want to get where they're going ASAP. You can find traffic by hour stats for every bridge somewhere on government websites that support this. We'd always take the Port Mann even though the Pattullo was closer/more convenient just to get places faster at peak times. you are wrong in so many ways. if you're in south surrey there's no way you're going to drive forty five minutes to bridgeport to catch a train downtown when there's one fifteen minutes away at king george also, there's nowhere to commute to from south surrey/south delta via the george massey that isn't somewhere in vancouver or that isn't more easily reached via the alex fraser. maybe if you're in ladner or tsawwassen you might take the george massey to east richmond/queenborough but you know on a tolled bridge all those tsawwassen residents are going to take the south fraser perimeter road to the alex fraser for free also, you still haven't addressed how they're going to remove the bottleneck. where are five lanes of bridge going to go when they make landfall on the north side of the river? are they going to widen 99 up to the point the east west connection splits off? if not, the new bottleneck is going to be when you try to merge those five bridge lanes down to three
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Speaking of driving under the influence in Canadaquote:Ste. Anne police report that the driver will be charged with impaired driving and refusing to provide a breath sample in relation to the operation of a Zamboni.
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CLAM DOWN posted:They apparently "left room" to expand all the platforms to support 3-car trains, which blows my mind because wasn't the drat thing at capacity like 6 months after opening? The Canada line isn't at capacity. At a few months of operation they hit the ridership they needed from a funding standpoint to not be losing money. It was years early. You might be thinking of that. It's a smaller capacity line than the other skytrain lines, but not that stupidly small. They can still add more cars right now, and then do the 10 meter extension. They are at something like 6000 people per hour per direction. The maximum without getting creative is about 15,000. The annoying thing at the moment is apparently that the operating contract that was part of the PPP included a schedule for when train frequency/quantity would be increased in the future. If translink wants to deviate and add extra trains outside of that schedule they have to pay an unreasonably high fee. Edit: You may also have heard people talking about being at something like 90% of capacity, but that's with a given train count rather than an overall system design capacity. T.C. fucked around with this message at 10:03 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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the talent deficit posted:also, there's nowhere to commute to from south surrey/south delta via the george massey that isn't somewhere in vancouver or that isn't more easily reached via the alex fraser. maybe if you're in ladner or tsawwassen you might take the george massey to east richmond/queenborough but you know on a tolled bridge all those tsawwassen residents are going to take the south fraser perimeter road to the alex fraser for free Except the Alex Fraser in rush hour is literally a parking lot, with almost daily accidents and/or broken down trucks, it's a loving shitshow. SubCrid TC posted:The Canada line isn't at capacity. At a few months of operation they hit the ridership they needed from a funding standpoint to not be losing money. It was years early. You might be thinking of that. It's a smaller capacity line than the other skytrain lines, but not that stupidly small. Yup, that's the figure I was thinking of, thanks. That schedule for frequency increases is dumb as gently caress, why on earth would that be a thing (me knowing nothing about train construction contracts).
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Yeah but as someone doing that *I* can factor in that that lowers my options and increases my expense for rental options. Also bus commuting can really suck when it gets to the point you need transfer E:way to go phone app telling me there was no new stuff. Playstation 4 fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Perhaps the problem is with serving concurrent sentences for multiple homicides. Leaving aside the fact that it would be an absolutely silly waste of time and resources, what stops a Crown from prosecuting him for one death, sentencing him to five years, and the second he's out on a day pass hitting him with the second one? Judge's rules or somesuch? Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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The Right Wing Media thread is leaking into Canada. I think this counts as an act of aggression.
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This reminded me of Omar Khadr. Did the Liberals under Trudeau ever take a position on Khadr or talk about him during the campaign at all? I'm curious if the government's stance towards him will have shifted at all or if the Liberals like everybody else just kind of hope if they never talk about him he will vanish into thin air.
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Leofish posted:The Right Wing Media thread is leaking into Canada. I think this counts as an act of aggression. I don't know who that guy is, but going by the picture I expect he's an utter knob.
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Looks like the Liberals will be repealing some of the Conservatives' anti-union legislation. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...lick=sf_globefb
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flakeloaf posted:Perhaps the problem is with serving concurrent sentences for multiple homicides. It comes down to the crimes being similar, possibility of recurrence, and mainly the judges discretion. Indirectly if our sentencing rose sharply (possible happen given Harper's judicial appointments) this would tax our already overburdened prison system very heavily. I personally would want that person to serve more time but Drewjitsu will obviously mention that serving 5 times the sentence handed out doesn't help rehabilitation and just burdens our prison systems. I feel like I'm turning into a conservative complaining about small irks in our judicial system and its freaking me out  vyelkin posted:Looks like the Liberals will be repealing some of the Conservatives' anti-union legislation. Don't unions have to file something similar for union members to see? I don't understand why the public would care about a unions personal business.
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Also, John Ibbitson has a lengthy writeup about the battle-to-come within the Conservative Party over whether to choose a party from the PC side or the Reform side that has a few good insights, including the point that once generational change happens in Ottawa voters never go back to someone from the previous generation (or, at least, not in the next election), so 43-year-old Trudeau coming to power means it's highly unlikely the other parties could win by picking old people with old policies. To my mind (and to James Moore's as well, who's interviewed in the article), that's a recognition of shifting social values in the electorate: young people are significantly more pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, etc., and trying to fight against that demographic change is a losing proposition. The question is whether the soc-con wing of the party is willing to give the PC wing the authority to shut them up about these issues forever in order to stay electable. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...lick=sf_globefb
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jm20 posted:Drewjitsu will obviously mention that serving 5 times the sentence handed out doesn't help rehabilitation and just burdens our prison systems. He'd be right. Something in between "the same sentence for killing 1 as 20" and "20 consecutive life sentences" would be nice.
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On the other hand, assume there are two drunk drivers, both of whom cause a fatal collision. One hits a car that's carrying only the driver; the other hits a minivan that has a family in it. Their actions are no different, so it's purely retributive to punish the guy who took out the minivan more harshly.
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Murder charges -> death by stoning.
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Leofish posted:The Right Wing Media thread is leaking into Canada. I think this counts as an act of aggression. I'm pretty sure the US would send us flowers if Crowder came across the border and then mysteriously disappeared.
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On the other hand, assume there are two drunk drivers, only one of whom cause a fatal collision. One gets home safely; the other hits a minivan that has a family in it. Their actions are no different, so it's purely retributive to punish the guy who took out the minivan more harshly.
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At a certain point more prison doesn't accomplish anything. Even as a purely punitive thing after several years you're getting some serious diminishing returns on the effectiveness of prison. I was surprised by the serving 2/3s of the sentence though, I thought folks were still serving closer to 1/3.
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Femtosecond posted:Well yes when transit is completely eliminated as an option, which the BC Liberals have done, then doubling down on car oriented urban planning becomes the only remaining solution. In this case we're not overbuilding, it's all that's possible. The BC Liberals have engineered it such that this is the only viable growth strategy. I bet you dollars to donuts that some of the biggest donors to the BC Liberals in the previous election were major development firms ("homebuilders") who have a big interest in seeing the ALR used for single family housing.
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Jordan7hm posted:At a certain point more prison doesn't accomplish anything. Even as a purely punitive thing after several years you're getting some serious diminishing returns on the effectiveness of prison. Pretty sure this is a legacy of ten years of Tough On Crime policies.
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sitchensis posted:I bet you dollars to donuts that some of the biggest donors to the BC Liberals in the previous election were major development firms ("homebuilders") who have a big interest in seeing the ALR used for single family housing. It would be interesting to have a look. I have to dash out of the house so I don't have time to dig into it, but I can say from my memory of the last time I looked at the list of BC Liberal donators, that the Car Dealers Association is in the top 3, and since there's zero restrictions on how much anyone can donate they donated a lot.
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As a disabled person who can't drive a car, gently caress the suburbs. I'm glad to be moving to a place in Surrey where the mall is 10 minutes from my apartment.
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The sentencing provisions of the criminal code are not some sort of morally correct guidelines, nor are they incapable for changing. You can assume that when people talk about what they would like to see, they are recognising that the law and precedent may outline different penalties at the moment, and that they would like to see the law changed.
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The point is not that the criminal code sentencing provisions are inspired by God and cannot be changed, the point is that they must, and largely do, reflect broader concerns than "what feels right to the bystanding public" or, god forbid, "what would satisfy victims or their next of kin". I don't remember who it was ITT who pointed out that everyone recognises this when it comes to certain crimes, but quietly ignores it when it comes to certain other crimes, and which crimes fall into which group differ interestingly from person to person. Very few people are consistent enough in their principles to be Tough On All Crime or Hug All Thugs. That said, we do ostensibly live in a democracy and the law has to reflect the will of the people to a certain extent if it is to be democratically legitimate. The fact that the people are, mostly, approaching the question from an unhelpfully narrow perspective doesn't change this. It just makes the required compromise a little trickier.
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I am on Christmas break from the office. Since McCallum floated the idea of doubling refugees I did open my email inbox. Yes the racists doubled down. And I sit content knowing they are ruining their holidays by fuming about something that is completely contrary to their faith's teachings and the spirit of the holiday which does celebrate a middle eastern refugee family.
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I think you missed a big part of the argument, its not the jail time its the driving suspensions that arent meeting what we would expect for the crime. We do not hand out enough (any?) lifetime bans for people driving drunk or carelessly that cause harm or death.
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I feel like Trudeau and the Liberals are just trolling Conservatives at this point between pointing out they will try and make spanking illegal as per the TRC report and doubling down on refugees. I might actually start liking Liberals. https://news.vice.com/article/justin-trudeau-wants-to-scrap-law-that-lets-teachers-and-parents-spank-kids?utm_source=vicenewsfb https://news.vice.com/article/canada-wants-to-double-the-number-of-syrians-it-admits-to-50000?utm_source=vicenewsfb I know Vice isn't the best source, but making the CPCs collective heads explode is a pretty awesome strategy.
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DariusLikewise posted:I feel like Trudeau and the Liberals are just trolling Conservatives at this point between pointing out they will try and make spanking illegal as per the TRC report and doubling down on refugees. I might actually start liking Liberals. Thats how they pull you in. Then after the safety period the next thing you know your health care funding is slashed, every crown corporation is sold off to foreign owners, and the time for low taxes ends (but only if you make less than 90k annually).
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Furnaceface posted:I think you missed a big part of the argument, its not the jail time its the driving suspensions that arent meeting what we would expect for the crime. We do not hand out enough (any?) lifetime bans for people driving drunk or carelessly that cause harm or death. Driving bans do get handed out, though they don't work in all cases for ex Roger Walsh quote:[18] Quant à la sentence la moins onéreuse appropriée, dans la présente affaire, Monsieur Walsh, vous avez plaidé coupable devant moi pour la dix-huitième (18e) fois à une accusation d'avoir conduit en état d'ébriété et cette fois avec des conséquences extrêmes, soit d'avoir tué Madame Anee Khudaverdian.  Another gripe is that I feel like ignition interlocks for repeat offenders is not really a solution.
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DariusLikewise posted:I feel like Trudeau and the Liberals are just trolling Conservatives at this point between pointing out they will try and make spanking illegal as per the TRC report and doubling down on refugees. I might actually start liking Liberals. Actually it's kind of lovely that our incompetent, corrupt and selfish political class can manipulate the majority of the voting population with stupid culture war issues. The entire western world is in the process of slowly but consistently downgrading living standards, the environment is falling apart, and democratic national sovereignty is basically impossible because of how international trade and investment rules have been structured. Any political party that isn't addressing those issues is part of the problem. Insofar as the Liberals get away with not focusing on those issues - either by ignoring them or by taking ineffective half measures - it's a bad thing. All these "conservatives are mad" articles are the political equivalent of eating comfort food. It's an acceptable indulgence from time to time but if you keep doing it then it becomes really self destructive. The people loving this country up live in Rosedale not rural Alberta.
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Furnaceface posted:Thats how they pull you in. Then after the safety period the next thing you know your health care funding is slashed, every crown corporation is sold off to foreign owners, and the time for low taxes ends (but only if you make less than 90k annually). Yeah, but I think this time will be a bit different because of the Internet being more advanced that it was in the early 2000s. it will be a lot harder to get away with the shittiest policies simply because social media can seriously gently caress you if you don't play ball. The Liberals could get away with that junk more because it was harder to report to a large group until well after the fact. Now the second anyone does anything stupid, Facebook and Twitter explode.
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Stretch Marx posted:Yeah, but I think this time will be a bit different because of the Internet being more advanced that it was in the early 2000s. 
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sitchensis posted:lol as if it's the city planners that make these decisions This is 100% accurate - urban planning isn't SimCity, it's all politics *and institutional inertia. You inherit the mistakes of your predecessors, get blamed for making them, and then people yell at you for not changing everything to be in line with their interests immediately. And then there are the developers, who will promise you the moon, and then immediately ignore your recommendations once they get approval.
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THC posted:Lmao. Would you say that you're.... cautiously optimistic? Not really. More people are on the internet now than back then. If your view point is only of video games and memes then it all looks the same. How many companies (that weren't part of the dot com bubble) would go under if the Internet disappeared in 2000? Now imagine how many would go under immediately in 2015. I can order poo poo from China and have it arrive within the week on the east coast. I have fibre op internet that allows me to basically watch whatever the gently caress and download whatever the gently caress I feel, whenever I feel. I couldn't do that in 2005. The best I could hope for was a lovely cable connection or dsl. Newspapers are crapping out and being replaced with their online versions as more and more people move to the Internet for their news. This has caused a knock on effect where cable news tries desperately to be more sensationalist because it can't keep up with how fast information can spread on the internet. This has caused a decay of cable news and subsequently causes more people to stop watching it. And it's only going to change more. The Internet is too important to slow down. I mean, right now I can almost literally watch the Syrian Civil War on Youtube. The most advanced thing in loving 2004 was World of Warcraft... Stretch Marx fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Violet_Sky posted:I'm glad to be moving to a place in Surrey A phrase I never thought I'd see written.
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Stretch Marx posted:Not really. More people are on the internet now than back then. If your view point is only of video games and memes then it all looks the same. How many companies (that weren't part of the dot com bubble) would go under if the Internet disappeared in 2000? Now imagine how many would go under immediately in 2015. I can order poo poo from China and have it arrive within the week on the east coast. I have fibre op internet that allows me to basically watch whatever the gently caress and download whatever the gently caress I feel, whenever I feel. I couldn't do that in 2005. The best I could hope for was a lovely cable connection or dsl. Newspapers are crapping out and being replaced with their online versions as more and more people move to the Internet for their news. This has caused a knock on effect where cable news tries desperately to be more sensationalist because it can't keep up with how fast information can spread on the internet. This has caused a decay of cable news and subsequently causes more people to stop watching it. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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