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About Rey having been to badass and having nowhere to go: Rey has a huge problem. Kylo Ren is going to Snoak to complete his training and become even more powerful. Rey's teacher is Luke, who after having his new jedi order smashed and Ben falling to the darkside is going to be really doubtful and hesitant to take on a new student. And when he does hes responsible for the half assed training Ben went through so if you didn't think bens command of the force before was all that great that he lost to Rey, you think his teaching Rey will make her more or less stronger? Luke leaves Degobah with only half his training and gets his rear end handed to him. Ben leaves Luke with half his training and gets his rear end handed to him. Rey is probably willing to learn but Lukes going to probably send her off with poo poo training and theres a pattern forming here.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:04
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I don't care if you don't agree. It was a huge gamble by Lucasfilm to make the movie's leads an unknown woman and an unknown black man. They obv hedged this risk in other ways.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:05
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euphronius posted:I don't care if you don't agree. It was a huge gamble by Lucasfilm to make the movie's leads an unknown woman and an unknown black man. I thought it was a great risk as well.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:08
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euphronius posted:I don't care if you don't agree. It was a huge gamble by Lucasfilm to make the movie's leads an unknown woman and an unknown black man. To be honest, having megastars as major characters in Star Wars would just be weird and distracting. Ewan McGregor was fine because he fit the role really well, but Samuel L Jackson and Liam Neeson stand out massively in that universe because of how famous they were before Star Wars.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:11
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euphronius posted:I don't care if you don't agree. It was a huge gamble by Lucasfilm to make the movie's leads an unknown woman and an unknown black man. They actually had no other option, really. Star Wars has never used bankable stars as leads, and they would have been pilloried if they continued the White Man Parade in this political climate. I wouldn't call it a brave choice, but the natural one.
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euphronius posted:I don't care if you don't agree. It was a huge gamble by Lucasfilm to make the movie's leads an unknown woman and an unknown black man. It's a mild risk for the overseas markets I suppose. On the other hand it's probably the reason it got an A+ Cinemascore from women. It's certainly a sign of the times. "Now EVERYONE, including blacks, can participate in nostalgia fueled by the numbers mediocrities!" (I say this as someone who mostly liked TFA).
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It was definitely a risk considering we're having this discussion at all. There's no need to wallpaper over it but we should acknowledge it and then move on.
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porfiria posted:Yeah international audiences hate black people and maybe women Seriously. Check out any Daily Mail comment section. And some of Facebook.
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You keep skipping over it but equally important to female and black lead is the UNKNOWN part. Hollywood does not have much of an issue with known female and black leads recently. If only they had kissed. Sigh.
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Seriouspost: are there people out there confused and stupid enough to think this is a remake of ANH and be angry that they recast Luke as a woman?
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Let me tell you a little something about MRA http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/20/star-wars-force-awakens-really-shock-racist-trolls Yes, people were genuinely pissed off at a black and female lead.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:23
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Hollismason posted:Finn is a major character because if he didn't save Poe then he wouldn't have been there to help Rey. I thought he was just the comic relief. the Jar Jar of this film.
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Even just look here with people calling Rey a mary sue, that Finn was lovely, and then also loving Poe (who is that cool smart mouth guy with the best piloting skills shown in a movie). Disney was clearly going to play it safe with a lot of poo poo in the movie, and if you think otherwise you don't really understand business or how much people realized the PT sucked. So seeing them take risks with casting and twist a lot of the nostalgia bits to be different was really nice. Niethan: I'm decently certain that when I see people who disliked the movie with nothing more than incredibly vague/general criticism the casting is a root cause, even if they don't realize it. That or they are too foggy on what actually happened in the other movies to realize what is the same/different about the new characters/events.
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Pt is really hard to compare because they were made outside of the Hollywood studio environment. I don't think Kennedy et al drew much insight pro or con from them. Totally different ecosystems. They probably used them as a "floor" for predictions as Lucas was not trying to make studio saving blockbusters with the pt and yet they were still huge financial successes. JJ obviously knew the pt very in depth tho. What did Lucas say last week? " this was a movie that Star Wars fans wanted to see"?
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euphronius posted:If only they had kissed. Sigh. It will be less gross when it's revealed their brother and sister.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:34
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ZypherIM posted:Even just look here with people calling Rey a mary sue, that Finn was lovely, and then also loving Poe (who is that cool smart mouth guy with the best piloting skills shown in a movie). I don't know what a mary sue is, I'm assuming it's sexist so if someone said that yeah sure. But why is it bad (are you saying it's automatically racist?) to think Finn was lovely goofball jarjar in this movie?
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Interesting that Anakin appears as a force spirit to Luke but not to Ren.
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know what a mary sue is, I'm assuming it's sexist so if someone said that yeah sure. But why is it bad (are you saying it's automatically racist?) to think Finn was lovely goofball jarjar in this movie? Why was he the comic relief? I'm really confused by what you're saying because there was no comic relief vibe from him at all compared to say Chewie or Poe's line when he meets Kylo.
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hemale in pain posted:Why was he the comic relief? I'm really confused by what you're saying because there was no comic relief vibe from him at all compared to say Chewie or Poe's line when he meets Kylo. He had funny lines sometimes. 
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know what a mary sue is, I'm assuming it's sexist so if someone said that yeah sure. But why is it bad (are you saying it's automatically racist?) to think Finn was lovely goofball jarjar in this movie? Because your pigeonholing - wrongly and inaccurately - the black male lead to a traditional narrow movie role that until recently was about the best Hollywood role a black man could get on a major movie because of Studio discrimination. In fact you incorrectly relate him with jar jar who was Lucas's infamous critique of the same thing. euphronius fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Dec 23, 2015 20:44
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euphronius posted:In fact you incorrectly relate him with jar jar who was Lucas's infamous critique of the same thing. I think you typed "critique" where you meant to type "perpetuation"
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know what a mary sue is, I'm assuming it's sexist so if someone said that yeah sure. But why is it bad (are you saying it's automatically racist?) to think Finn was lovely goofball jarjar in this movie?
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know what a mary sue is, I'm assuming it's sexist so if someone said that yeah sure. But why is it bad (are you saying it's automatically racist?) to think Finn was lovely goofball jarjar in this movie? In real generic terms (which I'm sure someone is going to correct on me haha) a mary sue tends to be a female (often self insert) character who is basically the special snowflake and is super awesome at everything. The sexist angle is basically because realistically the only difference between Rey and several other characters is that she is a she and not a he. I'm not saying it is racist to dislike Finn, but if the only reason someone can put out that they didn't like Finn was that he was a jarjar then kinda yea. His character makes cohesive sense, and is sort of the guy who decides to do the right thing. He is a little goofy, which felt to me like he doesn't really know how to act around not stormtroopers. Jarjar was a walking racist stereotype that was like a looney toons insert.
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If the prequels were made today there would probably be boycotts and protests over Jar Jar Binks.
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Blackchamber posted:About Rey having been to badass and having nowhere to go:
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:I think you typed "critique" where you meant to type "perpetuation" No euphronius is correct. Jar Jar was meant to be a send up of the minstrel character, IMO
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Steve2911 posted:He got a few pointers at best. Even Yoda only taught him for a few days. No one knows how long the flight from the Anoat system to Bespin was without a hyperdrive.
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aBagorn posted:No euphronius is correct. Jar Jar was meant to be a send up of the minstrel character, IMO What on earth is your justification for that?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:What on earth is your justification for that? One of his functions is to show how loving racist and horrid the Jedi and republic (and the audience) are. Since you know there aren't "black people" in Star Wars, GL had to get to that point through even more explicitly. See also the treatment of droids and aliens.
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Sorry for more prequel talk but Stuff like JarJar, and Midochlorians are weird. Because I can't help but feel like Lucas was like right on the edge of making those movies really good commentary on a number of things. But then for whatever reason it just never tipped over and hit those points hard enough. Dr. Fishopolis posted:What on earth is your justification for that? He literally talks like the Black people in minstrel shows and movies would talk.
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Dexo posted:He literally talks like the Black people in minstrel shows and movies would talk. And is treated with contempt by both the audience and the other characters
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I just wanna say that John Boyega's American accent in this movie is really good.
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euphronius posted:Interesting that Anakin appears as a force spirit to Luke but not to Ren. Something of slight interest regarding that: http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/the-force-ghost-of-anakin-skywalker-was-proposed-to-be-in-the-force-awakens/ MSW seemed to go off on a tangent by putting a lot of faith in something McCaig was just spitballing for JJ and company to give them ideas, but what they do propose would be interesting. Kylo sees a Force Ghost of Vader, while Luke possibly sees a Force ghost of Anakin. Would be an interesting contrast, to possibly have Christensen interacting with Luke, but have a Jones voiced Vader speaking to Kylo Ren. You could either play that up as a real dual-nature thing Anakin is going through, or just have the Vader side be some fake Snoke thing. Teek fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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hemale in pain posted:Why was he the comic relief? I'm really confused by what you're saying because there was no comic relief vibe from him at all compared to say Chewie or Poe's line when he meets Kylo. He was nothing but funny stuff. Falling down (constantly), having the lead slap his hand away and yell at him, drinking gross pig water, having gross pig knock him down some more, being the janitor joke, saying he's saving poe because it's the right thing to do but it's really because he just needs a pilot (lol), etc, etc, on and on. Why is it so bad that he's the guy that should have a laugh track? Nessus posted:If you think Finn was "lovely goofball Jar Jar" I feel like you're saying "I don't like that there was a black man who had emotional states other than "dour" or "Lando" in Star Wars." Finn had a full emotional range even if, yes, he was obviously pretty happy at times. I feel that you're manufacturing reasons to call people racist because they think wrongly about some made up movie character. euphronius posted:Because your pigeonholing - wrongly and inaccurately - the black male lead to a traditional narrow movie role that until recently was about the best Hollywood role a black man could get on a major movie because of Studio discrimination. You're the only one talking about his race. I could care less. I don't know that much about jarjar. I was a kid when that movie came out so I don't know anything about him other than he was always in funny situations. spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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davecrazy posted:No one knows how long the flight from the Anoat system to Bespin was without a hyperdrive. how long is it with a hyperdrive
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oddium posted:how long is it with a hyperdrive What do I look like, some EU sperg nerd?
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spacetoaster posted:He was nothing but funny stuff. Falling down (constantly), having the lead slap his hand away and yell at him, drinking gross pig water, having gross pig knock him down some more, being the janitor joke, saying he's saving poe because it's the right thing to do but it's really because he just needs a pilot (lol), etc, etc, on and on. He also has a bunch of moments in the movie where he struggles with doing the thing he's been trained to do his whole life, feels anger and loss at potentially losing perhaps the only friend he's ever had in his entire life, reluctance to continue on with his new friends after the shame of lying about who he was, and the courage to stand toe to toe with a really bad dude. This along with a lot of other feelings of adventure and joy. If you think these are aspects of comic relief characters and not, you know, MAIN characters then you're really bad at watching movies.
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Was the move the Falcon pulled leaving hyperspace right by Starkiller Base's surface possible according to the rules, mostly in the EU, about not being able to enter hyperspace by a planet due to the mass shadows they project in hyperspace? In the EU, the Empire had a ship called an Interdictor which is like a small Star Destroyer with gravity well generators that can both force ships out of hyperspace and prevent them from entering it, and one was introduced in a recent episode of Star Wars: Rebels so now they are canon I guess?
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