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TheKingofSprings posted:Jace isn't broken, it's a beautiful baby and Magic deserves more cards like it, not less I agree. Looking forward to the return of innistrad has me worried a little bit. The set has had a huge impact on modern and the power level is definitely way out of standards range of the past few years. If lily, snapcaster, and the gang aren't reprinted modern prices could spike hard again on the non-reprinted staples. Innistrad was a really fun time for magic for me and I am sure others agree that we need to revisit that level of power again. If zendicar is any indication, things aren't looking good.
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I'm just gonna go on record now and say SoI is the worst magic set ever, excepting maybe Homelands. None of the cards are as powerful as original Innistrad, except the ones that are and those are just way too powerful like seriously what were they thinking? It's also got the worst standard environment ever (like seriously, I can't even play 4-5 colors anymore? What kind of junk is this). Clearly this set was rushed out and poorly designed. And don't even get me started on draft, by far the worst drafting experience I've ever had (and I've drafted triple Fallen Empires!). It's too bad, magic was a good game but it's clearly just going downhill now, I'd expect nobody to be playing in a couple months or so, that's how bad this set is.
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alansmithee posted:I'm just gonna go on record now and say SoI is the worst magic set ever, excepting maybe Homelands. None of the cards are as powerful as original Innistrad, except the ones that are and those are just way too powerful like seriously what were they thinking? This, but ironically.
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alansmithee posted:I'm just gonna go on record now and say SoI is the worst magic set ever, excepting maybe Homelands. None of the cards are as powerful as original Innistrad, except the ones that are and those are just way too powerful like seriously what were they thinking? You've handed me the template. Good.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:04
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alansmithee posted:I'm just gonna go on record now and say SoI is the worst magic set ever, excepting maybe Homelands. None of the cards are as powerful as original Innistrad, except the ones that are and those are just way too powerful like seriously what were they thinking? You had me up until you implied that they were going to walk back the 4-color paradigm anytime soon. Pfffff, haha, as if.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:40
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If they don't bring back Flashback, I'll be sad. If they do bring back madness, I'll be very, very happy. I want a standard where Jace is used in an entirely separate manner, to discard madness cards instead of just trying to fill up the graveyard for delve and flashback purposes.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:42
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GeneX posted:If they don't bring back Flashback, I'll be sad. Jace shits on KTK standard like this, but he shits on SOI standard like this
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Dec 23, 2015 23:44
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The 4-color environment we have now only exists because of the combination of fetches + fetchable duals. What could SoI possibly include that would keep manafixing at that level?
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Dec 23, 2015 23:45
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The 4-color environment we have now only exists because of the combination of fetches + fetchable duals. What could SoI possibly include that would keep manafixing at that level? Hopefully nothing.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:47
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The 4-color environment we have now only exists because of the combination of fetches + fetchable duals. What could SoI possibly include that would keep manafixing at that level? enemy fetches 
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The 4-color environment we have now only exists because of the combination of fetches + fetchable duals. What could SoI possibly include that would keep manafixing at that level? My other concern is that a lot of the vaguely playable mechanics from BFZ seem to rely on Fetches to be playable in one way or another. The big converge spells like Bring to Light are going to be really hard to build around without crazy rainbow manabases, and even simpler stuff like Landfall gets a lot of its power from being able to hit two triggers per turn and get them at instant speed. I'm not pining for 4-color standard by any means, but it seems odd that they'd make a bunch of set mechanics that rely on a support base which is about to rotate out.
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Dec 23, 2015 23:58
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Entropic posted:Everything I've heard about MTGO dev is that they have one team doing something that should be separated among 2 or 3 teams. Like there's no reason you should be taking people away from network stability troubleshooting to test rules code for a bunch of new cards every set, but apparently they just have one MTGO team that does everything and never has time to properly focus on major improvements because they're in constant deadline panic. Yeah, the obvious solution to a problem like this at a managerial level is hire more staff, and by all reports they have plenty of money to do so, but they (or, say, Hasbro) refuse. That's the baffling part. Also if the system was architectured in an intelligent way, changing the backend, while perhaps difficult, should not actually interfere with the system that the clients experience. It seems more likely that Hasbro/WotC are too stingy to spend money on the hardware to sit a new server deployment on (and the people to make it).
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Dec 24, 2015 00:02
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Interesting quote by Toby Elliott: So I guess don't duscuss leaks in secret FB cabals ok?
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So I got like three paragraphs in and thought to myself, man is this guy going to go all out and give some random kid a bunch of decks and dice and stuff for Christmas? And then I looked at the username and said out loud "oh it's MTGS yeah no gently caress those guys."
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Dec 24, 2015 00:13
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Procrastinator posted:Yeah, the obvious solution to a problem like this at a managerial level is hire more staff, and by all reports they have plenty of money to do so, but they (or, say, Hasbro) refuse. That's the baffling part. I'm assuming they just don't see the benefit in improving it since it's already making GBS threads out money. I would've thought that they'd see a sales drop and/or the crap quality of MTGO would force their hand to upgrade, but that was 5 years ago and it's still chugging along so I guess idk. Maybe Hearthstone and it's copiers will force their hand but I'm not sure those are even all that direct of competitors. Also this problem just kinda snowballs. Like if you have a bad infrastructure, the longer you wait and the more you keep developing on top of it the more expensive it becomes to actually fix. Since I assume if they did upgrade their team one of the first goals would be to essentially replace the current system (or at least do enough upgrades that it's virtually a replacement).
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Dec 24, 2015 00:23
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FordCQC posted:Interesting quote by Toby Elliott: I'm going to try and get myself into as many FB wizard groups as possible and see how many it takes to get a temp/perma ban. This might take several years though and Maro might've finished killing magic by then.
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Dec 24, 2015 00:31
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My guess to the source of Wizards' problems, based on the glassdoor reviews and their general business practice is that there's a really low turnover rate in the high-management positions, and the execs have huge egos and aren't willing to admit that they might have made mistakes in how they staff the MTGO project, so now it just has to continue that way until they leave/get kicked out by Hasbro. It also seems like their HR department is pretty hosed up which probably contributes. I don't know if I buy that their programmers are actually significantly worse than average, tons of people want a job at Wizards (because they don't know what working there is really like, but still), and people take pay hits all the time to work at a place that seems cool.
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Voyager I posted:My other concern is that a lot of the vaguely playable mechanics from BFZ seem to rely on Fetches to be playable in one way or another. The big converge spells like Bring to Light are going to be really hard to build around without crazy rainbow manabases, and even simpler stuff like Landfall gets a lot of its power from being able to hit two triggers per turn and get them at instant speed.
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Dec 24, 2015 00:51
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GeneX posted:If they don't bring back Flashback, I'll be sad. I still think the actual way Madness works is a bit too wonky to come back.
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Dec 24, 2015 01:03
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If madness comes in, we better get a discard fueled Chandra. Maybe then she'll finally be good.
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Dec 24, 2015 01:08
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Ramos posted:If madness comes in, we better get a discard fueled Chandra. Maybe then she'll finally be good. We're getting a six mana one that let's you discard your entire hand. If SoI has madness or lots of flashback she might be more playable than people think.
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Dec 24, 2015 01:11
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I started playing the game in Odyssey block and quit during Onslaught block so bringing back Madness would be a loving sweet nostalgia trip for me.
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Angry Grimace posted:I still think the actual way Madness works is a bit too wonky to come back. Is there an actual good reason they can't just clean it up a bit? Do they just hate referring to the stack that much?
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Dec 24, 2015 01:32
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They should print a 3 mana Chandra that has jaya Ballard task mage abilities without the discard thing.
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Molybdenum posted:They should print a 3 mana Chandra that has jaya Ballard task mage abilities without the discard thing. +1: Destroy target blue permanent
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Dec 24, 2015 01:42
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TheKingofSprings posted:+1: Destroy target blue permanent So I can kill islands?
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Molybdenum posted:They should print a 3 mana Chandra that has jaya Ballard task mage abilities without the discard thing. -2 Incinerate -5 Inferno 3 starting loyalty
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Actually that card's really funny because it would be super dead on an empty board and even more dead against a non-blue deck
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TheKingofSprings posted:Actually that card's really funny because it would be super dead on an empty board and even more dead against a non-blue deck
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Angry Grimace posted:I still think the actual way Madness works is a bit too wonky to come back. Yeah, but couldn't they just change it to a replacement effect? (As in, a new mechanic that works the way people think madness does, sort of like converge vs. sunburst) eg. something like "if you would discard X, you may instead pay Z mana and cast X."
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Dec 24, 2015 01:57
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1RR +1 Shock -2 Flames of the Firebrand -4 Emblem that pings whenever you cast a spell. Starts at 2 loyalty Is that too good?
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That would be extremely overpowered. Like all three of its abilities are straight-up stronger than LotV's.
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Niton posted:Is there an actual good reason they can't just clean it up a bit? Do they just hate referring to the stack that much? Iirc it's kind of wonky because you end up casting spells in the middle of other spells and that gets pretty confusing for a lot of players. They could definitely redo it though, I reckon.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Jace isn't broken, it's a beautiful baby and Magic deserves more cards like it, not less Yeah. Making interesting cards is a good thing. The problem arises when the interesting cards are fewer in number and significantly more powerful than their next closest replacement. The world doesn't need another french vanilla 5/5 for 2GG sitting in the rare slot.
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cheetah7071 posted:Here's your daily reminder not to play magic. Saffron Olive articles keep pulling me back in. I hate that guy.
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Mr. Jive posted:Saffron Olive articles keep pulling me back in. I hate that guy.
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I think he's making a joke about Kozilek being a leaked card.
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Dec 24, 2015 03:49
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Four Forrest Gump forests.
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It may not be en masse - and it might certainly be a bit drastic - but there's already a number of judges resigning (and/or intentionally lapsing since it's renewal season) in light of SeaGate [we need a snappier name]. This amidst other talk like strikes/denial of judging services in some groups. I know there's other judges here, so I implore you all to think long on what you want to do in the fallout of this incident, since it's always sad to see fellow judges go.
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Mr. Jive posted:Saffron Olive articles keep pulling me back in. I hate that guy. The most recent "Against the Odds" may well be the worst deck he's ever run.
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