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Vagabundo posted:That's hosed up. Who was it, so we can all boycott those bastards? I'll tell you in a week 
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Dec 25, 2015 02:27
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I hope it's the National party.
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Dec 25, 2015 02:36
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Don't we already Boycott that?
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Dec 25, 2015 02:53
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Dude if I was working for the national party is make myself redundant.
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Dec 25, 2015 03:10
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in a Christmas twist, klen dool is John Key
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Dec 25, 2015 03:15
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:in a Christmas twist, klen dool is Colin Craig
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Dec 25, 2015 03:44
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Lobsterpillar posted:I really don't understand how people manage to keep crashing. I drove past some vans the other day that just went around a curve too fast - the curve advisory speed was 85km/hr so they must have gone around it without slowing down at all. It's the christmas spirit, it impairs motor function and decision making.
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Dec 25, 2015 04:27
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The Christmas Spirit, I believe, was traditionally Sherry. But this is NZ, so it seems the Christmas spirit is more of a diluted Malt.
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Dec 25, 2015 04:45
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WarpedNaba posted:The Christmas Spirit, I believe, was traditionally Sherry. Or whatever is on special at Pakn'sav.
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Dec 25, 2015 05:22
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In the Xmas spirit,I've already cut myself cooking. Wooooo!
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Dec 25, 2015 05:35
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:in a Christmas twist, klen dool is John Key poo poo, you've rumbled me. Since I no longer have a job, I'm gonna have to work out how one "does" drugs, and what drugs one does when they are unemployed.
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Dec 25, 2015 06:06
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Pretty sure it is double brown and Horizon smokes as that is about all you could afford.
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Dec 25, 2015 06:14
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Varkk posted:Pretty sure it is double brown and Horizon smokes as that is about all you could afford. La de dah - its all single brown and foreshore smokes here.
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Dec 25, 2015 09:05
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lindauer and strawberries
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Dec 25, 2015 10:46
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store brand Lemon Lime & Bitters and select mint chocolate fake trumpets.
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Dec 25, 2015 10:51
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Fetid swamp water, and manuka bark rolled up in toilet paper
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Dec 25, 2015 12:36
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Merry Christmas from Florida at 10am 12/25/2015 in unreasonably humid heat
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Dec 25, 2015 15:54
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Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be?
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Dec 25, 2015 19:46
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be? It keeps giving us John Key so something must be wrong with it. It's the voters
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Dec 25, 2015 20:31
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be? It's terrible like every other voting system!
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Dec 25, 2015 20:33
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BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:It's terrible like every other voting system! Yeah but the implementation is better.
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Dec 25, 2015 20:37
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Slavvy posted:Yeah but the implementation is better. Any implementation that involves humans is already deeply flawed.
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Dec 25, 2015 20:39
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Yeah but you would say that, cyber skull. Bloody dole bludging cyborgs complaining about the system.
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Dec 25, 2015 20:48
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be? It's fine, but it's let down by the voting public.
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Vagabundo posted:It's fine, but it's let down by the voting public. I hate people for not thinking the same things as me too. It's worked reasonably well at delivering us centralist governments for almost 20 years now, no matter what opposition party supporters say.
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Dec 25, 2015 22:47
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be? Infinitely better than First Past the Post, I truly believe my and every other vote counts. There's maybe some minor tweaks to be made around thresholds, coat tailing, and electorate seats. But all in all I love telling foreign visitors about our system and highly representative parliament.
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Dec 25, 2015 22:52
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Butt Wizard posted:I hate people for not thinking the same things as me too. "Centrist" has moved so far right in the last 2 decades it's a meaningless term.
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Dec 25, 2015 23:43
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i unironically think we have one of the best in the voting systems in the world
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Dec 25, 2015 23:44
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punk rebel ecks posted:Just curious, how do you Kiwis like your voting system? Is it all that it is cracked up to be?
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Dec 25, 2015 23:45
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focal ischemia posted:i unironically think we have one of the best in the voting systems in the world Yup. But people are idiots so it's all in vain.
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Dec 26, 2015 00:27
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Needs a transferrable vote system imo, so people aren't deterred from voting for a party just because its unlikely to make the threshold.
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Dec 26, 2015 00:43
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Just remove the threshold.
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Dec 26, 2015 00:51
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fong posted:Needs a transferrable vote system imo, so people aren't deterred from voting for a party just because its unlikely to make the threshold. Counterpoint, Colin Craig would be a minister in the National government if we had STV.
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Dec 26, 2015 00:51
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The voting system doesn't matter much if there's no media accountability.
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Dec 26, 2015 01:05
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There shouldn't be a 5% threshold, and electorate seats should use IRV, but other than that it's ace
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Dec 26, 2015 01:54
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Infotainment! posted:"Centrist" has moved so far right in the last 2 decades it's a meaningless term. The only thing that's been consistent is the outcries from each side who claim "This is a return to Ruthenasia/50s style union-hugging protectionism" whenever someone they don't like gets elected in. El Pollo Blanco posted:Counterpoint, Colin Craig would be a minister in the National government if we had STV. Was there really a proposed STV electorate in the country that would have ranked Craig ahead of multiple Nat/Lab candidates who would have been standing? Butt Wizard fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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Dec 26, 2015 03:39
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My worry about having such a voting system like New Zealand's is that it will encourage too much centrists politics so radical change is hard to make happen and the needle rarely moves on social and especially economic issues. Are my worries justified? Is New Zealand more "centrist' than other nations?
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Dec 26, 2015 04:04
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punk rebel ecks posted:My worry about having such a voting system like New Zealand's is that it will encourage too much centrists politics so radical change is hard to make happen and the needle rarely moves on social and especially economic issues. Are my worries justified? Is New Zealand more "centrist' than other nations? The nz voting system has no impact on radical change occurring. This is much more dependant on the fact we suffer a neophobic, redneck, selfish and moronic electorate. Short answer: the means is not the ends
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Dec 26, 2015 04:26
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It's currently less far right than many governments, but that's a subjective measure. The primary feature of MMP is that even though we essentially have a two-party system, those two parties have lost some of their base to the fringe interest parties and theoretically have to collaborate with them in order to pass legislation. If anything it destabilises the centre, because while the major parties try to keep as broad a base as possible, those political deals will see legislation introduced from a minor party that would otherwise go unaddressed due to it being too niche or challenging for a major party to pay attention to or risk their base on. It also allows interest groups, like the Greens, to challenge political decisions within the political realm, rather than sitting on the sidelines because only 10% of people believe their message is important. Ideally it also encourages people to vote for these parties in the knowledge that while they may not have a fleshed-out economic plan, they are going to be partied with one of the centrist mainstays anyway.
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How does this "its just the other side complaining!" Argument explain our "fiscal conservative" government stalling us face first into a massive deficit and the explosion of child poverty and abuse of power? Oh it doesn't? Weird.
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