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BobHoward posted:You seem to have a few 5.25" half-height and full-height drives, this shames me as the best I can do is a 3.5" half-height monolith (it is all black and very squared off) that was the last generation of HDD sold by Micropolis before they exited the HDD market. I have 2-3 old UltraSCSI 320 controllers, and at least 5-10 drives. Oh, and this.  And an older SATA Supermicro Server 
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priznat posted:This reminds me, I have a bunch of PATA drives that relatives gave me to "wipe off", what'd be the best way to destroy them that won't make a huge mess? And that doesn't involve having to unscrew each one to get the platters out. A degausser is really the only way to truly erase a drive without plugging it into a computer or destroying it, however those are expensive. If the goal is to just make it unreadable when plugged into a computer then you could just get some pliers and start pulling out the pins in the pata port, or if there is what looks like a ribbon cable going to the center of the drive cutting that should do the trick. This won't technically erase the drive but it would be very time consuming/expensive to recover the data.
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priznat posted:This reminds me, I have a bunch of PATA drives that relatives gave me to "wipe off", what'd be the best way to destroy them that won't make a huge mess? And that doesn't involve having to unscrew each one to get the platters out. I'd just hit them with a hammer a few times. Aim for the central column, if the platters become mis-aligned to each other, recovery is practically impossible. You can also probably wail on the entire casing pretty hard from the top of the drive and not make much of a mess.
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Krailor posted:A degausser is really the only way to truly erase a drive without plugging it into a computer or destroying it, however those are expensive. This is probably the best choice. Or the hammer. Consider your threat model -- dumpster-diving for drives, then building the relevant chain of obsolete techs required to read them is expensive. Unless your family/friends have made very specific enemies with considerable resources they're willing to use, no one's going to bother. So if no one involved has pissed off a state actor or a Mafia don or something, just rip a couple pins out and/or bang it with a hammer and call it a day. Heck, even if you threw them away intact, 99.9% of the time you're fine. You see this thinking more commonly with paper shredders and ID theft. Skimming and hacking databases has infinitely better ROI than sifting through the trash for grandma's SSN.
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Thanks for the responses all, good ideas. Yeah I would rate the risk of anything on the drives being compromised as very low, with the value of the data even lower. I was curious if there were any quick kill methods like punching out the spindle or drilling a hole thru the platters that people preferred. I think my method will be wrap with plastic wrap to contain fragments then bash with a 5lb hammer. Should do er nicely! Somewhat related question for everyone: what is the smallest drive you'd bother hanging on to for storage, like at what point is the power used by a drive mean it's just no longer worth keeping? I am guessing there is a storage/watt metric (one for idle, one for active), I need to look into that.
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You could take a punch and drive it through the case into the platters, but that would require a punch and hammer. Any time I had to dispose of personal stuff I've just taken pliers to the PCB and wrecked it beyond economical repair. You could obviously just replace the PCB but that's a personal risk I'm wiling to take. I work in the financial industry and the regulations for shredding work disks are a little stricter, to say the least 
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Martytoof posted:You could take a punch and drive it through the case into the platters, but that would require a punch and hammer. Do they have any industrial grade shredders that can munch a 3.5" hdd? That would be frigging cool. Like a scaled down version of the thing that can grind up 60 gallon drums filled with concrete.
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Why not just DBAN a couple of passes? Or did they actually want the drives 'destroyed'?
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movax posted:Why not just DBAN a couple of passes? Or did they actually want the drives 'destroyed'? For me, I don't have any PATA interface controllers anymore, these are some old rear end drives.
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Martytoof posted:You could take a punch and drive it through the case into the platters, but that would require a punch and hammer.
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priznat posted:Do they have any industrial grade shredders that can munch a 3.5" hdd? That would be frigging cool. Like a scaled down version of the thing that can grind up 60 gallon drums filled with concrete. This is precisely what we hire at work. A truck comes and shreds it to within our specs (we have specs for maximum debris size) then gives us a certificate of destruction with the serial number.
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DrDork posted:I would think a simple hammer and nail of really any sort would also be 99.999% effective. poo poo, for ordinary personal data just smash the electronics on the bottom and tear off the PATA + Molex plugs with a pair of pliers. 99.999% nobody working at the garbage dump is going to bother recovering data from an old, broken-looking HDD even if the platters inside are actually intact. e: I missed that Martytoof said the same thing a few posts above, whoops. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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movax posted:Why not just DBAN a couple of passes? Or did they actually want the drives 'destroyed'? You only need one pass.
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Isn't the old standby just using a drill with a good metal bit?
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grab a set of allen keys and just take the thing apart
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Don Lapre posted:grab a set of allen keys and just take the thing apart ....most drives are torx screws?
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Right, use those instead, the idea is still valid.
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priznat posted:Thanks for the responses all, good ideas. Duct tape them together, and drill press with 1/2" bit is my preferred mass-destruction method. And to answer your second question, 750GB is my current cutoff. It's about to move to 1TB.
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priznat posted:Do they have any industrial grade shredders that can munch a 3.5" hdd? That would be frigging cool. Like a scaled down version of the thing that can grind up 60 gallon drums filled with concrete. I've seen them (used to work in E-Waste industry). They are pretty cool, but expensive. A cheaper mass destruction method is to use an extremely high powered press to crush/bend the drive beyond reasonable recovery. Shredding is usually the best bet, as even the NSA can't put Humpty Dumpty back together, especially when mixed with 1000 other drive bits. Also easier to recycle the ground up bits. While I still 'have' 120gb PATA drives lying around, this is only because I'm lazy. I wouldn't consider using anything smaller than 1tb, and then I'm stretching to find a use.
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DoD standards for drive destruction are mostly based around denying metadata to adversaries. For example, they may be able to put together serial numbers of drives or even composition of the metals used in known government drives and correlate them with suppliers (oftentimes in countries hostile to the US although Thailand is neutral officially I think), which is a seriously big deal if you look at it as a sort of big data type of problem. Just run random zeros across your drives and you're fine from the digital boogeyman. The time that you may want to employ outlandish methods is mostly when the drive is malfunctioning and you can't erase anything via software anymore. I'd just send them to folks that work with Iron Mountain or (optionally) not care because you're using encrypted filesystem volumes anyway if you're this paranoid.
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So uh, how do platters do against liquid damage? Punch a hole and toss them into a bucket of water or soda? (Or whatever household liquid that could corrode the platters if there is one)
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japtor posted:So uh, how do platters do against liquid damage? Punch a hole and toss them into a bucket of water or soda? (Or whatever household liquid that could corrode the platters if there is one) http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-destroy-a-hard-drive-permanently/ quote:Water might short out the electronics, but that’s about it. “The data's still on the platters, regardless if they got wet or not,” explains Russell Chozick, vice president of Flashback Data, a data-recovery firm in Austin, Texas. As long as the platters are not allowed to dry out, which he says could leave hard-to-clean residue behind, forensics experts should be able to recover data with relative ease. Sounds like drilling holes in aluminum platters is the way to go, or shattering glass ones based on that article if you're sufficiently 
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DS380 review (got one for christmas) loving awesome but one of my drive activity leds is bad but amazon is swapping it out.
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Don Lapre posted:DS380 review (got one for christmas) I had two ordered at uni and yeah they're awesome. The only thing missing is some sort of rubber shock mount for the hard drives like in the Fractal Design Node cases.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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insularis posted:Well, I had ZFS save my rear end for the first major time at home. I have a 17mo old toddler, and set the keyboard down for just a few seconds. The window that had focus was our media center machine's access to ZFS media share. He deleted the entire TV folder (3TB, about 12000 files). I didn't even get mildly irritated. I just logged into FreeNAS, reverted to the daily snapshot for that folder, and went on with my day. Glorious. Thats awesome and makes me want to try ZFS. Having said that, make that share read only 
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insularis posted:Well, I had ZFS save my rear end for the first major time at home. I have a 17mo old toddler, and set the keyboard down for just a few seconds. The window that had focus was our media center machine's access to ZFS media share. He deleted the entire TV folder (3TB, about 12000 files). I didn't even get mildly irritated. I just logged into FreeNAS, reverted to the daily snapshot for that folder, and went on with my day. Glorious. Well that's awesome for ZFS. But how the hell did he manage the delete? If that kid ran an rm at 17 months no storage solution is gonna be safe from him.
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Windows exposed CIFS share. It needs write access for several reasons. Mostly, I have a keyboard lock macro that seals the keyboard after a combo keystroke or timeout, but I just forgot this one time. I have all the delete safeties turned off on Windows for the particular account I was working on for a few minutes. It's protected in several layers from utter destruction. Snapshots, ZFS Send weekly jobs to a separate pool, one offline copy, etc. And, this is only media, nothing too terribly irreplaceable. I do all this stuff so I don't have to worry. Snapshots were just fantastic for an instantaneous multiple terabyte restore. So, so nice. That's what I was getting at. Restoring from backups usually suuuuuuuuucks. This is like cheating.
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Since upgrading to freenas 9.3 stable I'm getting: Firmware version 15 does not match driver version 16 for /dev/mps0 Should I be concerned about this and how do I resolve this?
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No idea on how concerned you should be, but to make it go away you need to flash newer firmware on your LSI controller.
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Snapshots aren't exactly magic. If you take a snapshot, delete data, and go write a bunch more data you will run out of disk like the data hadn't been deleted. Still, snapshots before an operation on large volumes of data is probably not a bad idea. Would have saved me from an rsync that decided that it's totally cool to not transfer, count them as successful, and delete all source files.
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Yeah I had the same issue updating 9.3 over the summer with my LSI 9211-8i HBA. Flashing it to the most recent version will fix it.
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Megaman posted:Since upgrading to freenas 9.3 stable I'm getting: I've never updated mine, and have had no issues on two separate machines (I'm on version 16 and 17 respectively, getting warnings about version 19). I've heard there are issues with version 19+ since Avago took over LSI, but that's unconfirmed. I'm just sticking at my current versions.
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necrobobsledder posted:Snapshots aren't exactly magic. If you take a snapshot, delete data, and go write a bunch more data you will run out of disk like the data hadn't been deleted. Yeah, I know. I generally keep ahead on storage so there's quite a bit free at any given time (e.g., 30% free when possible, add vdev at that point).
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I'm trying to get rtorrent on FreeNAS running and haven't had much luck. I've followed this guide https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/how-to-install-rutorrent-with-lighttpd.28641/ including all the follow up errata without any success. When going to the rutorrent URL I get a 404 error after putting in the .htpasswd info. I'm pretty sure it is purely permission issues but I'm not sure how to troubleshoot as I don't have much experience with FreeBSD. For some reason rtorrent doesn't start using the provided auto-startup stuff in a crontab so I manually run the screen command. Not sure if that is related or just something else I messed up. When I manually run rtorrent it seems to start fine but again I'm not super familiar with much so I'm not sure what I should be checking. Any tips on how to individually check what might be failing? I've started over from scratch a couple times with the same results.
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I'm looking to spend $500 - $ 600 on a NAS. Use case is file storage, a centralized iTunes library and photo storage. If available I'll play with Docker a bit but it's not crucial. I have no plans to direct attach via HDMI, and I might do very rare Plex or direct download to a Tivo. I'm looking at 4-5 disks so I can get a decent RAID 5 setup. I'm pretty familiar with ZFS, but I've never built a PC from scratch and I don't really want to deal with too much sysadmin work (I do enough for $DAYJOB). I was looking at the QNAP product line, and was trying to choose between the TS-563, TS-453A, TS-531P, and the TS-451+. Any experience or advice for me?
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Jik Waffleson posted:I'm looking to spend $500 - $ 600 on a NAS. Use case is file storage, a centralized iTunes library and photo storage. If available I'll play with Docker a bit but it's not crucial. I have no plans to direct attach via HDMI, and I might do very rare Plex or direct download to a Tivo. I'm looking at 4-5 disks so I can get a decent RAID 5 setup. I haven't used QNAP products myself but I can tell you that Synology devices will meet all of your needs. I haven't followed the current models very in depth but I'd recommend checking on specs and user experiences if you go with the "j" models (lowest in the tier hardware-wise). If you also want a mix between off the shelf and easy build your own, I'd look into XPEnology too. Basically the Synology OS running on PC hardware.
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Jik Waffleson posted:I'm looking to spend $500 - $ 600 on a NAS. Use case is file storage, a centralized iTunes library and photo storage. If available I'll play with Docker a bit but it's not crucial. I have no plans to direct attach via HDMI, and I might do very rare Plex or direct download to a Tivo. I'm looking at 4-5 disks so I can get a decent RAID 5 setup.
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Jik Waffleson posted:I'm looking to spend $500 - $ 600 on a NAS. Use case is file storage, a centralized iTunes library and photo storage. If available I'll play with Docker a bit but it's not crucial. I have no plans to direct attach via HDMI, and I might do very rare Plex or direct download to a Tivo. I'm looking at 4-5 disks so I can get a decent RAID 5 setup. I have a TS-251. I have enjoyed it for the most part. My biggest complaint that it is limited to the software that is available for it. I think I would have been better off rolling in my own NAS because I like to tinker (and make things more difficult). However, for simple media storage it works great and there are some nice applications for the phone and tablet to access the NAS.
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