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ImpAtom posted:Basically the big coincidence was the Falcon (which is pure coincidence) and Maz having the saber (which is easily justified with The Force Willed It.) Unkar Plutt is tied to whoever left Rey on Jakku. I highly doubt the tarped over Falcon was there by coincidence.
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I've heard rumors that Rey and Finn have sweaty interracial sex in the next one. Is the force onto something new here?
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Dec 26, 2015 19:17
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Immortan posted:I've heard rumors that Rey and Finn have sweaty interracial sex in the next one. Is the force onto something new here? Fornication, miscegenation, homosexuality, the dark side are they.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:22
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Immortan posted:I've heard rumors that Rey and Finn have sweaty interracial sex in the next one. Is the force onto something new here? No, just the usual retelling of the tales of Greek heroes.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:23
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Immortan posted:I've heard rumors that Rey and Finn have sweaty interracial sex in the next one. Is the force onto something new here? Instead of chosing between the dark side and the light side, their children will have to choose between mayo and hot sauce
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Dec 26, 2015 19:24
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Maz having Luke's lightsaber isn't an impossible coincidence if she is a trusted friend of both Han and Luke.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:30
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Viller posted:Unkar Plutt is tied to whoever left Rey on Jakku. I highly doubt the tarped over Falcon was there by coincidence. Unkar stole it from someone who stole it from someone else who stole it from Han. At least as describe in-film that's a coincidence unless Han was lying about that. Which wouldn't make a lot of sense since Han was on the Falcon and claimed he'd been looking for it for ages.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:32
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computer parts posted:Yeah, Zach Snyder isn't known for subverting audience expectations. Honestly, I was just picking a big name director at random. But there's a difference between subverting audience expectations to do a joke or a quip and subverting audience expectations multiple times to set up something tonally totally different and character-informing. Like, check this out; both the Original Trilogy and Force Awakens feature a black-clad masked antagonist with a mysterious past. And structurally, Kylo Ren's arc in TFA tracks very closely to a compressed version of Vader's arc in ANH and ESB. The traditional method for handling a villain like Ren would be to tease elements of his identity in a series of small reveals, the way they did with Vader; show that his past ties into the past of the protagonist's, show a partial reveal of what's underneath the mask, leading up to the big finale reveal of ESB. That worked really well in Empire, but look at what TFA did instead; they casually revealed Kylo Ren's origin in what's very nearly a throw-away line early in the second act, and have him pull off the mask at the mid-point of the film. Multiple times they subvert expectations not to reveal a twist, but to reveal the lack of a twist, and to establish intimacy. To follow the pattern; if Ren's paternity corresponds to Obi Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father, and taking off the mask corresponds to the shot of the back of Vader's head in the meditation chamber, then the "I am your Father" moment in TFA would be Han and Ren on the walkways. The most immediate and obvious (and dumb) corresponding version of that structural beat would have been to cloak Ren's identity in mystery up to this point and have Han do a variation of "Ren, I am your father." Instead, Han shouts "Ben!" revealing a piece of information we didn't even know needed to be revealed. That's really interesting, and it works really well, and it works the way it does only because the audience is already familiar with all these elements arranged in a different way in the previous films. it was a visceral gut punch. In the theater I was in, that line got gasps louder than Han's death did.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:39
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Frackie Robinson posted:So did Finn end up in a coma just so he can be our surrogate asking a bunch of questions after the time jump to the beginning of ep 8? Star Wars Episode 8: Directed by Hideo Kojima.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:42
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So maybe someone here can clarify this: wtf was going on in that movie? There is the First Order headed by space Hitler - who ranted about the Republic or Senate harboring the "Resistance" and that they were fighting disorder. Wtf is the Republic and Resistance and Rebellion now? Does the Republic not have a military except for some random paramilitary terrorists? Yeah and there's an evil space wizard too but that makes sense. All EU stuff aside, it looked like the rebellion won the war in the last movie.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:44
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Frackie Robinson posted:So did Finn end up in a coma just so he can be our surrogate asking a bunch of questions after the time jump to the beginning of ep 8? Star Wars 3.0: The Force (Doesn't) Awaken In all honesty I'm pretty sure Finn is coma'd so that there is a reason to split him and Rey up since otherwise he'd just come along when she goes to meet Luke.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:45
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TFA is gonna break 500 million domestically this weekend, a full 7 days faster than the current record holder Jurassic World.
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Dec 26, 2015 19:47
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:TFA is gonna break 500 million domestically this weekend, a full 7 days faster than the current record holder Jurassic World. Nuke Hollywood 'til it glows.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Nuke Hollywood 'til it glows. gently caress that, TFA did everything right where JW did wrong. It deserves it over that or Avengers.
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Delthalaz posted:So maybe someone here can clarify this: wtf was going on in that movie? My interpretation was that the First Order are a localized Imperial remnant, who aren't a serious threat beyond the systems they control (since the Republic doesn't know about Starkiller Base). So the Republic finances the Resistance, who would be a local remnant of the Rebel Alliance who became a militia force, like the lawmen of the old west. The Republic wants the First Order dealt with, but not enough to commit their own forces; what we're seeing in TFA isn't some grand galactic conflict, it's a bush war.
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ImpAtom posted:Unkar stole it from someone who stole it from someone else who stole it from Han. At least as describe in-film that's a coincidence unless Han was lying about that. Which wouldn't make a lot of sense since Han was on the Falcon and claimed he'd been looking for it for ages. Lke R2 and the Sword of Skywalker, the Falcon is a vergence in the Force. It goes where it is needed to be.
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ImpAtom posted:Star Wars 3.0: The Force (Doesn't) Awaken Seems like they could have accomplished that by just saying he needed hospital rest or something. That's kind of an issue with this movie, it always goes huge with the stakes when small would have functioned just the same.
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Finn and Rey making kissy would (sadly) actually be mildly "risky" if we want to get back into that. Edit: Although Finn and Kylo would be better on every level.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:TFA is gonna break 500 million domestically this weekend, a full 7 days faster than the current record holder Jurassic World. Mark Hamill got 0.25% of the profit from A New Hope. I wonder what he negotiated this time around.
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Delthalaz posted:All EU stuff aside, it looked like the rebellion won the war in the last movie. It did, but it seems the empire was resilient enough not to completely fall apart when the emperor was gone. I'm picturing the galaxy going through something like this after his death: 
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Delthalaz posted:So maybe someone here can clarify this: wtf was going on in that movie? Then, some number of years later, a new ideology arises in the broken old Imperial planets and spreads like wildfire among the younger generation, promising a return to strength, order, purity, and all the other old fascist crap, and the new young ideological movement quickly seizes a lot of territory faster than anyone expected. The Republic is big and powerful, but doesn't want to commit its sons and daughters en masse to this obvious quagmire hell-hole of a war, so instead they quietly arm local resistance leaders within New Order space and send in special forces operatives like Poe and Leia to "advise" the local troops and provide And then the movie happens. TL:DR: The Republic is Space-America, the New Order is Space-ISIS, the Resistance is the Space-Kurds.
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Frackie Robinson posted:Seems like they could have accomplished that by just saying he needed hospital rest or something. That's kind of an issue with this movie, it always goes huge with the stakes when small would have functioned just the same.
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DStecks posted:My interpretation was that the First Order are a localized Imperial remnant, who aren't a serious threat beyond the systems they control (since the Republic doesn't know about Starkiller Base). So the Republic finances the Resistance, who would be a local remnant of the Rebel Alliance who became a militia force, like the lawmen of the old west. The Republic wants the First Order dealt with, but not enough to commit their own forces; what we're seeing in TFA isn't some grand galactic conflict, it's a bush war. A Bush War that epically blew up in their faces. Man, the Republic is going to want to wipe out the First Order. It's going to be a Galactic Pearl Harbor.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Mark Hamill got 0.25% of the profit from A New Hope. I wonder what he negotiated this time around. Word is he straight-up got seven figures for TFA, which I have to think breaks some kind dollars-per-screentime record.
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lizardman posted:Word is he straight-up got seven figures for TFA, which I have to think breaks some kind dollars-per-screentime record. To be fair he had to train and get back into shape and such so it wasn't like he just showed up on set for a day. Still, "get paid to have Disney dudes get you back into shape" is arguably sweeter than "get paid to come in for a day."
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I can't count yeah in the millions probably makes sense Part of that is probably him having to get himself in shape as a part of that contract. Which costs money/time to do it as quickly as they need him to do. Dexo fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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lizardman posted:Word is he straight-up got seven figures for TFA, which I have to think breaks some kind dollars-per-screentime record. It would have to. Christ, if he DID get 0.25% percent and NOTHING else, with the marketing and production budget subtracted he'd still have made over one and a quarter million. Over a freaking week. Divide by screen time ... whoops, null set.
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lizardman posted:Word is he straight-up got seven figures for TFA, which I have to think breaks some kind dollars-per-screentime record. Brando got something like 1.4 million dollars per minute of screentime from Superman, so that's probably still the (inflation adjusted) record, if only barely.
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porfiria posted:Finn and Rey making kissy would (sadly) actually be mildly "risky" if we want to get back into that.  This loving movie is going to turn me in an idiot tumblrina if I'm not careful. They did a good job casting leads who all had really good chemistry together, the scenes where Finn freaks out after Kylo gets hold of Rey could have been so terrible and awkward if people didn't actually buy him caring that much about her that fast.
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ImpAtom posted:To be fair he had to train and get back into shape and such so it wasn't like he just showed up on set for a day. He looks good as the Trickster in the Flash
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A few more things about the First Order. "The aftermath of Endor and Jakku reduced the once-mighty Galactic Empire to a rump state hemmed in by strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. Unbeknownst to the New Republic, however, many former high-ranking Imperials retreated into the galaxy’s Unknown Regions, which had been secretly colonized by the Empire during the time of the Galactic Civil War. Rebuilding the Imperial Military in secret, this Imperial Remnant faction became the First Order." The First Order is also mostly made up of new blood. Hux for example was born after the Emperor died and grew up in the unknown regions on stories of how the Empire was awesome and the Republic sucks. According to the novelization, the First Order genuinely believes the New Republic is an anarchic hellhole which is on the verge of collapse at any moment, that they were driven to the dark of the universe by terrorists, and that the New Republic is using every method possible to destroy them, from levying harsh reparations to funding the Resistance. Pretty much the First Order is a bunch of fanatic zealots that worship the Empire. Unlike with the Empire the Destruction of Starkiller Base would be a massive massive blow to the First Order as they have less resources and manpower then the Empire did.
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ImpAtom posted:Unkar stole it from someone who stole it from someone else who stole it from Han. At least as describe in-film that's a coincidence unless Han was lying about that. Which wouldn't make a lot of sense since Han was on the Falcon and claimed he'd been looking for it for ages. Rey told Han what happened after the first guy who stole it(Ducaine->someone->Unkar Plutt). So it could all be made up poo poo from Unkar Plutt, or whoever dropped off Rey. I'm starting to think that vision Rey gets kinda points to Ben Solo dropping her off. He does show through the movie that hes capable of playing with people's minds more than we've seen in the past movies and hes conflicted with the light throughout. Wich would kinda tie in to why Snoke doubts that he can kill off Han Solo. I still want to believe its some Luke grand plan for when his daughter is ready though.
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ImpAtom posted:You're missing the part where the First Order already killed that planet. When we first see it is lush and bearing life. By the time the Starkiller is almost charged it has become a frozen hellhole. What the gently caress are you talking about? This never happened? It was always a frozen hellhole. The forest planet Maz was on was a completely different planet than starkiller base. How are people so bad at watching movies?
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Thanks guys who answered my question about WTF was going on . Now I think it makes more sense, but then what got blown up by the star killer super Death Star? They said they blew up the Republic didn't they?
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Yes. The New Republic.
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D-Pad posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? This never happened? It was always a frozen hellhole. The forest planet Maz was on was a completely different planet than starkiller base. Perhaps you should actually pay attention to the film before you go flip out like this. The Starkiller planet is green when we first see it during the initial firing. With the sun dying it becomes a frozen hellhole. This is why there are still green trees when they land there, they're just covered by tons of ice. Like seriously a major climactic fight in the episode takes place in the ice-covered forest. The planet isn't Hoth. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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ImpAtom posted:Perhaps you should actually pay attention to the film before you go flip out like this. No it wasn't. 
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Yea pretty sure the planet was never green, it just is more like winter Scandinavian country or something than Antarctica like hoth. Evergreens and stuff like that, but snowed in the entire time. The super lush world was where Maz was at, but Hux and the starkiller base were never there.
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[quote="CelticPredator" post="454261640 [/quote] Yes it was. Look at the shot of Starkiller Base firing. The leaves on the trees are entirely green and free of ice. Their base is in the mountains but the planet itself is covered with ice when it clearly wasn't before. 
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