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Yeah, they destroyed a whole bunch of conifers when they fired the weapon, but the planet was cold the first time we saw it. I guess technically at that point it had already been charged once -- we don't see it charge the first time, do we? -- so I guess that maybe it could have been warmer previously, but for some reason this science fantasy movie failed adequately to address, preferably through monotone exposition by alien scientists, this wholly irrelevant issue.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Do all planets in Star Wars have only one planetwide biome and a static climate? It's Star Wars so yes.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:35
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ImpAtom posted:Yes it was. Look at the shot of Starkiller Base firing. The leaves on the trees are entirely green and free of ice. Their base is in the mountains but the planet itself is covered with ice when it clearly wasn't before. Those trees are covered in snow.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:35
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ImpAtom posted:Yes it was. Look at the shot of Starkiller Base firing. The leaves on the trees are entirely green and free of ice. Their base is in the mountains but the planet itself is covered with ice when it clearly wasn't before. is this a quote from star wars universe version of Loose Change
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Dec 26, 2015 21:36
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Viller posted:Rey told Han what happened after the first guy who stole it(Ducaine->someone->Unkar Plutt). So it could all be made up poo poo from Unkar Plutt, or whoever dropped off Rey. Following with stupid Star Wars naming convention, Unkar sounds a lot like uncle. As in he's Rey's "uncle" taking care of her in place of whoever made the deal with him to leave Rey there
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Dec 26, 2015 21:38
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CelticPredator posted:Those trees are covered in snow. If you say so. v  v
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Dec 26, 2015 21:39
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:The Rebellion defeated the Empire. After Palpatine's death about half the worlds in the old Galactic Republic reestablished the senate and the Republic. The other half the galaxy was controlled by Imperial factions and, basically, descended into feudal warlordism. About 30 years before the new movie, the Battle of Jakku, fought between the newly formed Republic and the dying remnants of the Empire broke the back of the last alliance of imperial warlords and established a tentative peace treaty between the two sides, in which a war weary Republic agreed to step down from a war footing if the remaining Imperial warlords agreed to keep their (generally lovely) planets for themselves and not invade into Republic space. Thanks! Your post was really helpful. I wish they cleared this up in the movie. And Monsterenvy's post. So did Coruscant get blown up or what? I imagine the Republic is still around. Delthalaz fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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Dec 26, 2015 21:39
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korusan posted:Following with stupid Star Wars naming convention, Unkar sounds a lot like uncle. As in he's Rey's "uncle" taking care of her in place of whoever made the deal with him to leave Rey there ... gently caress. If Ben Solo dropped Rey off with Unkar then that just basically means it is a parallel with Ben Kenobi dropping Luke off with Uncle Owen, doesn't it?
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Dec 26, 2015 21:40
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ImpAtom posted:If you say so. v you can see snow blow off the trees.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:40
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ImpAtom posted:If you say so. v I'm sorry your eyes don't work and you have bad theories.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:41
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Do all planets in Star Wars have only one planetwide biome and a static climate? In the EU, some significant planets, like Corellia, are more varied, but that's no longer canon, so yeah, I think literally every planet we've seen now is single-biome.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:42
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Bottom Liner posted:I'm sorry your eyes don't work and you have bad theories. You're right. The villains destroying the planet's sun actually had no impact whatsoever and the rebels murdered a planet all on their own. I am glad we're all on the same page when it comes to stupid theories.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:43
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Pakled posted:In the EU, some significant planets, like Corellia, are more varied, but that's no longer canon, so yeah, I think literally every planet we've seen now is single-biome. Naboo has 2
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Dec 26, 2015 21:43
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ImpAtom posted:Yes it was. Look at the shot of Starkiller Base firing. The leaves on the trees are entirely green and free of ice. Their base is in the mountains but the planet itself is covered with ice when it clearly wasn't before. You really really really need to go outside more.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:44
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Delthalaz posted:Thanks guys who answered my question about WTF was going on . Now I think it makes more sense, but then what got blown up by the star killer super Death Star? They said they blew up the Republic didn't they? e: Since this is star wars it probably bears saying: the New Republic moves which planet is its capital around, it does not literally move around some kind of Governance Star.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:46
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Pakled posted:In the EU, some significant planets, like Corellia, are more varied, but that's no longer canon, so yeah, I think literally every planet we've seen now is single-biome. Maybe Naboo? I seem to recall it was both a mountainous area as well as a flatter area with a bunch of lakes? I don't really remember that much from that movie tbh.5
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Dec 26, 2015 21:46
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ImpAtom posted:Perhaps you should actually pay attention to the film before you go flip out like this. What makes you think the sun is dying? That fact that they're drawing energy from it? Do you really think a planet base weapon is going to draw enough energy from a sun to kill it? And if so, why would they expend what has to be a huge amount of resources building a massive weapon that's going to render itself useless by destroying it's own sun and source of energy? And aren't all the trees we see there evergreens, which are commonly found in cold areas?
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Dec 26, 2015 21:47
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Murphys Law posted:What makes you think the sun is dying? ... The fact it literally vanishes and that the base is literally called Starkiller. It is a literal actual significant plot point in the film that Starkiller Base kills stars. We see the sun vanish from the sky and the presence of the sun is in fact the timer for the final battle because once the sun is dead they can fire.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:48
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It did kill the sun, actually. I mean, it's literally called the Starkiller. EDIT; lol.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:48
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Delthalaz posted:Thanks! Your post was really helpful. I wish they cleared this up in the movie. *the senate's location rotates on a semi-frequent basis from member world to member world, a background detail only hardcore fans will care about. I think they did this so they didn't have to blow up a named world like Coruscant that the fans might care about.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:49
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Murphys Law posted:What makes you think the sun is dying? That fact that they're drawing energy from it? Do you really think a planet base weapon is going to draw enough energy from a sun to kill it? And if so, why would they expend what has to be a huge amount of resources building a massive weapon that's going to render itself useless by destroying it's own sun and source of energy? I don't know about the trees, but it's plainly stated and shown that the base extinguishes the sun the second time it charges up.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:49
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ImpAtom posted:You're right. The villains destroying the planet's sun actually had no impact whatsoever and the rebels murdered a planet all on their own. I am glad we're all on the same page when it comes to stupid theories. Neither of those things have anything to do with your retarded memory that the planet was lush and green previously. It was always a winter environment you big dumb baby.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:50
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It seems to me that yeah it was probably always cold at least on that part of where they were. I mean who knows how many times they charged up their big ol gun before then. Butthere was also a clear transitioning scene as they killed the sun some more where it got COLDER. And yeah the sun died :P Everybody happy now?
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Dec 26, 2015 21:53
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Maybe Naboo? I seem to recall it was both a mountainous area as well as a flatter area with a bunch of lakes? Naboo also gets to be an "underwater" planet.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:54
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Tr33 posted:It seems to me that yeah it was probably always cold at least on that part of where they were. I mean who knows how many times they charged up their big ol gun before then. Butthere was also a clear transitioning scene as they killed the sun some more where it got COLDER. And yeah the sun died :P
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Dec 26, 2015 21:55
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Frackie Robinson posted:I don't know about the trees, but it's plainly stated and shown that the base extinguishes the sun the second time it charges up. I saw that they were drawing energy from the sun, I guess I missed the sun actually being extinguished.
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Dec 26, 2015 21:55
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It does seem a touch excessive, really, since a quick Google search says one second of the Sun's energy output is equivalent to the power our civilization would use for 500,000 years, and it's got five billion years left of fuel. Where does the mass go, and how do they contai--gently caress, IS THIS HOW YOU PEOPLE THINK ALL THE TIME?!
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Dec 26, 2015 21:57
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tetrapyloctomy posted:It does seem a touch excessive, really, since a quick Google search says one second of the Sun's energy output is equivalent to the power our civilization would use for 500,000 years, and it's got five billion years left of fuel. Where does the mass go, and how do they contai--gently caress, IS THIS HOW YOU PEOPLE THINK ALL THE TIME?! Lack of sex will make a man crazy y'know...
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Dec 26, 2015 21:58
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tetrapyloctomy posted:It does seem a touch excessive, really, since a quick Google search says one second of the Sun's energy output is equivalent to the power our civilization would use for 500,000 years, and it's got five billion years left of fuel. Where does the mass go, and how do they contai--gently caress, IS THIS HOW YOU PEOPLE THINK ALL THE TIME?! What I'm getting from this is that Starkiller Base is horribly inefficient. They could probably destroy thousands of planets at once with the power of a single star, not just five. 
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Dec 26, 2015 21:59
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Destruction of the New Republic: nobody in the universe should care about the New Republic because they are worthless appeasers whose unwillingness to confront the First Order's arms race / lebensraum-style moves cost the Republic their senate, planet, and fleet. So we are minus a worthless government that contra'd a token resistance with about 2-dozen X-wings. The US spent more comparatively on the 1980s Afghan Muj. Resistance had The Force & plucky heroes, Muj had a talented but spoiled and well-bred rich boy, curiously tall, who will always be famous for sucker-punching his benefactor(s). Melting a monolithic figure with burning, glowing, fantastically theatrical and unstable material. Jet fuel...or an unstable junk-saber? Solo...or the towers? Kylo...or Bin Laden? Anyway-- good riddance to the New Republic. I hope General Leia accepts the truth -- that democratically creating a prosperous post-fascist state is impossible. At least First Orer has given her a free do-over. She'll have to become the new Emperor, or else there will always be more First Orders, incubating like mold cultures in the margins around weak and war-fearing states.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:It does seem a touch excessive, really, since a quick Google search says one second of the Sun's energy output is equivalent to the power our civilization would use for 500,000 years, and it's got five billion years left of fuel. Where does the mass go, and how do they contai--gently caress, IS THIS HOW YOU PEOPLE THINK ALL THE TIME?! The big space machine sucks the sun into it's hole and then shoots the sun power out of it's hole. It's really quite simple!
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Dec 26, 2015 22:00
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Yea uh, apply a big fireball in the background for a picture like this:
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Dec 26, 2015 22:01
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:They blew up Hosnian Prime, the current home of the galactic senate*, and also their main military installation. To continue the analogy; Space-ISIS just nuked Space-Washington DC and the Space-Pentagon. The Republic isn't dead, but they are seriously crippled, and the New Order is in a position to blitzkrieg them. Oh! Ok. That makes sense. I didn't want Stat Wars to be all political bullshit like the prequels but I wish the movie had established the stakes so I didn't have to ask an Internet forum what the hell was going on in the Star Wars movie. Btw are the the Thrawn books still canon or did they get flushed like all the others? Also so the Republic still has a government and a military even though Hosni Prime got nuked or is all that's left the Alaska air national guard?? Delthalaz fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Dec 26, 2015 |
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Dec 26, 2015 22:02
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Pakled posted:What I'm getting from this is that Starkiller Base is horribly inefficient. They could probably destroy thousands of planets at once with the power of a single star, not just five. Goddamn millennials obsessed with their clever apps and gadgets. A disposable superweapon is the snapchat of A Long Time Ago. What will First Order bring to the fight next? I hope VIII begins with a ESB-style Republic assault, now openly resourced by the new-new-republic, on a First Order base. First Order doesn't have much going for them at this point - just a bunch of hidden crappy outer-rim bases where they train space trailer trash from birth to form their new army. But they still can't figure out how to excise a conscience from (some) of their troops. drat.
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What if it was a really small star and the planet was right next to it? It's Star Wars so why not.
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ZypherIM posted:Yea uh, apply a big fireball in the background for a picture like this: This is clearly AFTER the a fireball.
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Zeris posted:Destruction of the New Republic: nobody in the universe should care about the New Republic because they are worthless appeasers whose unwillingness to confront the First Order's arms race / lebensraum-style moves cost the Republic their senate, planet, and fleet. So we are minus a worthless government that contra'd a token resistance with about 2-dozen X-wings. The US spent more comparatively on the 1980s Afghan Muj. Resistance had The Force & plucky heroes, Muj had a talented but spoiled and well-bred rich boy, curiously tall, who will always be famous for sucker-punching his benefactor(s). Melting a monolithic figure with burning, glowing, fantastically theatrical and unstable material. Jet fuel...or an unstable junk-saber? Solo...or the towers? Kylo...or Bin Laden? Full Galactic Communism is the answer
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Delthalaz posted:Btw are the the Thrawn books still canon or did they get flushed like all the others? They're flushed. Part of the plot of them is that Han and Leia had twins named Jacen and Jaina.
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I think that the city planet, whether Coruscant or not, is meant to represent it to a degree to audience members who may remember it but not care enough about the same. So it's going for the same feeling as though Coruscant was blowed up or not but without making it explicitly canon or whatever. Also I really love Unkar Platt's Fat Bastard reaction to BB-8. "tell you what you can have your rations and your money and I get your BB"
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Zeris posted:Destruction of the New Republic: nobody in the universe should care about the New Republic because they are worthless appeasers whose unwillingness to confront the First Order's arms race / lebensraum-style moves cost the Republic their senate, planet, and fleet. So we are minus a worthless government that contra'd a token resistance with about 2-dozen X-wings. The US spent more comparatively on the 1980s Afghan Muj. Resistance had The Force & plucky heroes, Muj had a talented but spoiled and well-bred rich boy, curiously tall, who will always be famous for sucker-punching his benefactor(s). Melting a monolithic figure with burning, glowing, fantastically theatrical and unstable material. Jet fuel...or an unstable junk-saber? Solo...or the towers? Kylo...or Bin Laden? I'm expecting in the 8th episode we'll find out they have a factory making Poe Damerons just like the Old Republic made Boba Fetts.
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