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Roach Warehouse posted:I have my first game of this coming up and was planning on making a droid smuggler with the pilot specialization. Is that a bad idea? Also don't be the "I'll stay back at the ship, it's what my character would do" guy. Really, that's even more important than being good at only piloting.
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ShineDog posted:OK, we'll see how it goes. The teams NPC lovely broken astromech is the teams medic and I'm sure nothing can ever go wrong there.
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Dec 27, 2015 17:22
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homullus posted:Also don't be the "I'll stay back at the ship, it's what my character would do" guy. Really, that's even more important than being good at only piloting. Yeah in my group we're on our 4th ship. It's good to keep your pilot with you in case the bounty hunter decides he wants to go all Boba Fett instead of dicking around in a tramp freighter, so you don't have to go back to the ship to collect him.
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Dec 27, 2015 18:01
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Talkie Toaster posted:Even if it does, hey, it's Star Wars. They all wake up a few hours later in a Wampa cave or the back of a van to the Hutt slave auction and have to escape, then go right back to what they were doing (maybe with a few of their favourite toys damaged/broken to teach them a lesson...). Yeah, It's not actually a bad medic. It's had it's droid brain repaired at some point by patching bits of a medical droid brain and a B1 battledroid brain onto it so it's got a pretty varied skill set. (There are downsides)
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Dec 27, 2015 18:10
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homullus posted:Also don't be the "I'll stay back at the ship, it's what my character would do" guy. Really, that's even more important than being good at only piloting. Yeah. 5xp gets you "Let's Ride" which is basically Quick Draw for ships, so when you idiots are running from the pissed-off Rancor, the pilot can Dukes of Hazzard his way into the ship's open pilot window and flick all the switches for a quick takeoff.
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Dec 27, 2015 18:34
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I'm surprised that the lightsaber forms made it into FF's Star Wars game; I kinda expected it to fall by the wayside along with a lot of EU stuff. By the by, searching for any given lightsaber form on YouTube produces the dorkiest stuff in the universe. Mostly videos of geeks with no martial arts experience whatsoever, twirling lightsabers in their bedrooms, imitating stuff they saw in books about kendo, with text overlays saying "This is Djem So" or whatever.
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Dec 27, 2015 20:48
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm surprised that the lightsaber forms made it into FF's Star Wars game; I kinda expected it to fall by the wayside along with a lot of EU stuff. Lightsaber forms are actually cannon again. In Rebels, a cannon source, the Inquisitor mocked Kannan during a fight for "relying on Form 3 to a ridiculous degree" or something like that.
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Dec 27, 2015 20:56
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Also the lightsaber forms make it easy to split lightsaber combat up among the various F&D careers into unique-ish packages, and FFG loves splitting things up into various groups so it's a pretty obvious fit.
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I never got how, among other quirks of the form system, Form V was split into two different aspects with different names. Does that originate from the KotOR video games?
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Dec 27, 2015 21:23
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susan posted:Lightsaber forms are actually cannon again. In Rebels, a cannon source, the Inquisitor mocked Kannan during a fight for "relying on Form 3 to a ridiculous degree" or something like that. I don't think lightsaber forms have ever incorporated large projectile weapons...
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Dec 27, 2015 21:27
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jivjov posted:I don't think lightsaber forms have ever incorporated large projectile weapons... 
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Dec 27, 2015 21:38
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Not much of a cannon if you ask me...but an excellent retort to my pedantry.
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Halloween Jack posted:I never got how, among other quirks of the form system, Form V was split into two different aspects with different names. Does that originate from the KotOR video games? I think you mean Form VII, Juyo/Vapaad. The basics is that Juyo was this super loving aggressive style, one of the strongest in pure combat, and also insanely forceful. Most people who practicied it embraced anger in it, and fell to the Dark Side, so the Jedi 'restricted' it, until it became unknown, non-existant, banned. Mace Windu, when studying the Vapaad creature, made his own lightsaber style. This style was Basically Juyo, but with more self discipline. You attack, and attack, and attack, but you never lose yourself. Juyo by this time was forgotten, so Vapaad became the new name of it. He was the only master of it, because only he could resist the temptation of giving in to anger. This came about because when the Old Republic books were coming out, they had someone use Form 7. However, canon had established that Mace Windu MADE Form 7. So retcons happened, and Juyo became a forgotten art that was Too Dangerous and only the Sith knew, that Windu rediscovered accidentally. I think. KittyEmpress fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Dec 27, 2015 |
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Nah, I meant Shien/Djem So. Vaapad doesn't make much sense to me since Windu invented it, and he was the only one who mastered it without going nuts. That's just one guy's individual style. It also kinda reeks of a little kid reading about lightsaber forms and saying "Well I invented this new lightsaber form which is like the others but better, but it's risky because it makes you a super badass brooding lone wolf." Like when my little brother told me he invented a totally original superhero called the Golden Surfer. I see that Wookiepedia includes all 7 forms in its "canon" section. Neat.
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Eh, his life ended while he was insisting that he had to kill an old man rather than bring him in for justice because he was too dangerous, sounds to me like he couldn't quite control his anger as much as he would like others to believe.
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Dec 27, 2015 22:37
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Samuel Mother loving L Jackson tells you he invented a lightsaber fighting style, you nod and go sure.
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I hereby invent the hateful 8th form of lightsaber combat, it combines all the other forms and is the best and knows all the martial arts and it can never die. Only Jacen Solo knows it. (I don't know who that is; my little brother invented him and that's how he spells it.)
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Dec 27, 2015 22:46
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I like that each F&D career has access to a lightsabre style, it means that every jedi has access to a way to be kick rear end in combat. The only issue is who gets what and the stat they assign as the special stat. It's funny that the form that is all about murdering the big nasty person is in the talky/knowledge career.
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Dec 27, 2015 22:47
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Foxtrot_13 posted:I like that each F&D career has access to a lightsabre style, it means that every jedi has access to a way to be kick rear end in combat. Totally legit. Everyone knows that all diplomats are actually spies and all spies are assassins. Of course the technique perfect for murdering one dude is used by diplomats.
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Dec 27, 2015 23:39
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Diplomacy is war by other means.
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Weird that Niman is the best form for taking out the Big Bad; isn't it supposed to be the well-rounded boring form for all those un-PC-like Jedi?
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Halloween Jack posted:Weird that Niman is the best form for taking out the Big Bad; isn't it supposed to be the well-rounded boring form for all those un-PC-like Jedi? Nah, that's Shii-Cho. Niman is all about using the Force in combat.
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In practical terms the Niman Disciple specialization is a good pick for a lot of characters since it's the only lightsaber-centric specialization that offers a Force rating increase as part of it and it's got a good mixture of defensive bonuses and control via mixing Force powers into things. Shii-cho Knight is the most basic style in the sense that it doesn't have a stat-swap, it sticks with the default Brawn, and it's more about fighting crowds of goons all at once with some defensive/durability boosts though it doesn't have much ranged defense going for it.
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I assume that Soresu is the go-to defensive option? I'd be looking that way if/when my character gets a chance at a FaD spec. A lightsaber style seems like the only way I'd ever have a real effect in combat, since I'm rocking 1 brawn, 2 agility, and 2 willpower (so discipline-based anything is out too).
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Thanks for the pilot advice folks. A lot of it was things that I thought sounded fun for the character already, so I think it'll turn out just fine.
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Hey thread I'm probably going to run F&D soon; first time for everyone involved. Important cliff notes before we do anything? People have been struggling to pick a freighter that fits the party with their budget, so I'm considering letting them get one that's a bit more expensive with some flaws.
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Corbeau posted:I assume that Soresu is the go-to defensive option? I'd be looking that way if/when my character gets a chance at a FaD spec. A lightsaber style seems like the only way I'd ever have a real effect in combat, since I'm rocking 1 brawn, 2 agility, and 2 willpower (so discipline-based anything is out too). Pick the form that uses whichever of your Presence or Cunning is higher as its base stat, clearly, since all your other attributes suck.
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The lack of reflect suggests that Makashi is a bad idea for the type of game we've been playing, sadly. Intellect is a secondary stat though, and Soresu has plenty of anti-gun tech.
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spectralent posted:Hey thread I'm probably going to run F&D soon; first time for everyone involved. Important cliff notes before we do anything? People have been struggling to pick a freighter that fits the party with their budget, so I'm considering letting them get one that's a bit more expensive with some flaws. May I suggest a Nova courier with the concussion missile launchers ripped out in exchange for an extra hardpoint and a price reduction? I have no idea why a civilian transport/courier has front/rear missile tubes, sure it has missiles in Star Wars Galaxies, but I always figured the Rebel Alliance added those.
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Halloween Jack posted:I hereby invent the hateful 8th form of lightsaber combat, it combines all the other forms and is the best and knows all the martial arts and it can never die. Only Jacen Solo knows it. (I don't know who that is; my little brother invented him and that's how he spells it.) So is this the kaioken of lightsaber styles then?
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Ramba Ral posted:So is this the kaioken of lightsaber styles then? "His midichlorians... they're over 9,000!" (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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Corbeau posted:The lack of reflect suggests that Makashi is a bad idea for the type of game we've been playing, sadly. Intellect is a secondary stat though, and Soresu has plenty of anti-gun tech. On the other hand Makashi is connected to the Mystic, which is maybe amongst the best of the F&D classes, with their Seer tree a) having a bunch of good sorta "generic" upgrades anyone can use, and b) allowing you to make almost a straight bee-line for two Force Rating improvements. Then you have their advisor tree which lets you be a pretty drat good party face, and you're more or less set.
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spectralent posted:Hey thread I'm probably going to run F&D soon; first time for everyone involved. Important cliff notes before we do anything? People have been struggling to pick a freighter that fits the party with their budget, so I'm considering letting them get one that's a bit more expensive with some flaws. Send them to Honest Ugno's Quality Used Starships and let them pick up a ship that--unbeknownst to them--has suffered a Critical or two. Or maybe it used to belong to a wanted criminal and it will be subject to extra scrutiny by law enforcement.
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Halloween Jack posted:Weird that Niman is the best form for taking out the Big Bad; isn't it supposed to be the well-rounded boring form for all those un-PC-like Jedi? If you want to kill the big bad then Makashi is the one you want. It is a crit machine and crits are how you kill powerful things in one or two strikes. Makashi Strike has you rolling force dice with the attack and each pip is +10 to the crit roll, add that to a lightsabre with crit 1 and a couple of levels of viscous you will be taking off limbs and heads with ease. Makashi on the other hand isn't very good against groups and has no range defensive options
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spectralent posted:Hey thread I'm probably going to run F&D soon; first time for everyone involved. Important cliff notes before we do anything? People have been struggling to pick a freighter that fits the party with their budget, so I'm considering letting them get one that's a bit more expensive with some flaws. Also, keep in mind that force powers are pretty unreliable (as in 50%+ failure rates) till c characters get a few more points if Force Rating.
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ProfessorCirno posted:Samuel Mother loving L Jackson tells you he invented a lightsaber fighting style, you nod and go sure. According to Gregg Proops, Jackson was told, "just do whatever, we'll put in enemies in post."
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nothing to seehere posted:Also, keep in mind that force powers are pretty unreliable (as in 50%+ failure rates) till c characters get a few more points if Force Rating. How many? 2, 3, 4 dice?
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So how do I make a cool Jedi/Sith fight without one of my players immediately triggering 7 crits and insta killing them?
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Nemesis 3 helps, but in a game as deadly as F&D, your best bet remains having flunkies so your cool opponent doesn't get dogpiled.
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Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:So how do I make a cool Jedi/Sith fight without one of my players immediately triggering 7 crits and insta killing them? Give the enemy ranks in Nemesis. This makes them harder to hit in general and allows them to conveniently escape when defeated.
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