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fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
voting for madi$on because his warmongering stance toward the british will surely lead to them conquering america once more. gently caress this gay republic

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

oystertoadfish posted:

where my federalists at

ride till i die

(pinckney/king)

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Raskolnikov38 posted:

The hell with it, James Monroe come on down!
Everything else is even more disappointing indeed.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
I'm confused - why is there no Monroe/Langdon? Wasn't he "unwillingly recruited" by Monroe?

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
The Federalist party has consistently nominated Massachusetts born patriots, hopefully the Federalist party will last forever.

ATribeCalledKvetch
Nov 5, 2010

I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish.
Hoping Pinckney chokes on something, King's my boy in the absence of a true proto-socialist choice.

Draft Paine

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Proposition Joe posted:

The Federalist party has consistently nominated Massachusetts born patriots, hopefully the Federalist party will last forever.

The future definitely looks bright for them I mean they lasted for over a decade.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
Pretty soon enough time will have passed that we won't be able to make Hamilton jokes anymore. :smith:

Yarville
Jun 14, 2013
Pinckney wanting to declare war on France is pretty stupid, but everything else about his views is solid. We need a strong central government and, like it or not, slavery is here to stay for the time being. Rufus will chill him out on his desire to ally with Britain and turn the Monroe Doctrine into the Pinckney Doctorine, especially with his connections to South American dissidents... Let's dominate the Americas even earlier.

Pinckney/King.

Tricky Dick Nixon
Jul 26, 2010

by Nyc_Tattoo
I've been waiting this entire time to vote Monroe.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



oystertoadfish posted:

where my federalists at

ride till i die

(pinckney/king)

:yeah:

It's a drat shame the Federalists weren't able to smother the Dem-Reps in their infancy.

Magic Rabbit Hat
Nov 4, 2006

Just follow along if you don't wanna get neutered.
As a citizen living in the now-anglicized British colonies of Upper and Lower Canada, the constant stream of loyalist refugees post-revolutionary war has given way to a trickle of disgruntled or land-hungry American ex-pats. Regardless, for the safety of our people and our borders, we cannot in good faith vote for a candidate whose intentions to invade Britain are so clear.

That said, gently caress the French.


Monroe/Pickney

von Metternich
May 7, 2007
Why the hell not?
We can't do much about slavery, so we might as well stop the economy from collapsing! Vote for Pickney and the Bank!

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

von Metternich posted:

We can't do much about slavery, so we might as well stop the economy from collapsing! Vote for Pickney and the Bank!

Americans are all serfs labouring under the yoke of King Adams anyway, votes mean nothing

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Time precludes longer

The economy must eventually be placed in the hands of the people directly, and the state can make that possible through a central bank.

That said, slave economy is a house of cards.

We need a second American Revolution against our own state, rotten with slavers through the whip and slavers through debt.

Destroy the central bank, crash the economy, and then I'm sure we'll come to our senses. Yes, Accelerationism, knaves!

Least bad options, Clinton/Monroe.

foobardog has issued a correction as of 18:25 on Dec 26, 2015

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

Pickney, without a doubt. Federalists own.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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T O P

GlyphGryph posted:

I'm confused - why is there no Monroe/Langdon? Wasn't he "unwillingly recruited" by Monroe?

The tertium quids are not an organized third party so much as a very loosely organized group of like-minded individuals within the Democratic-Republican Party. Though the Virginia branch is the most influential, led by John Randolph of Roanoke, there's three different "tertium quid" coalitions across the country representing different groups and interests. Because they are not organized, the ballot in Virginia would only read "Monroe." Pennsylvania's faction only was able to secure Langdon ballot access as a Vice Presidential Candidate for Madison, and even then it was against his will. There's nowhere in the country where you could vote "Monroe / Langdon."

Empress Theonora posted:

Pretty soon enough time will have passed that we won't be able to make Hamilton jokes anymore. :smith:

SA Decides, 1788-2000: I'm a slave to the central banking system

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Thank you all for voting. Perhaps driven by a desire to preserve the Bank of the United States and Hamilton’s (pbuh) legacy, the Federalists have eked out a victory over the Democratic-Republicans and their insurgent wing, the tertium quids. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney has been elected President and by his side stands Rufus King.

With such a strong showing from Monroe, the Democratic-Republicans may be forced to retool their party to focus more on a small federal government and fiscal conservatism.

RESULTS BREAKDOWN

Most Popular Ticket:

Charles Cotesworth Pinckney / Rufus King (Federalist) - 33 votes (47.8%)
James Monroe / N/A (Democratic Republican) - 22 votes (31.9%)
James Madison / George Clinton (Democratic-Republican) - 7 votes (10.1%)
James Madison / John Langdon (Democratic-Republican) - 4 votes (5.8%)
George Clinton / James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) - 2 votes (2.9%)
George Clinton / James Madison (Democratic-Republican) - 1 vote (1.4%)

Most Popular Parties:

Democratic-Republican Party - 36 votes
Federalist Party - 66 votes

Note: The tertium quids are not a formal organization, but a loosely organized insurgency within the Democratic-Republican Party. Though the exact number varies depending on how you count, the tertium quids make up about 25 votes (75%) of the Democratic-Republican total.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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ELECTION OF 1812

:siren: Click here to vote in the Election of 1812! :siren:



Background:

The year is 1812 and after two decades, displeasure with the British has finally exploded into outright war. Upset by impressment, British support for American Indian raids, assaults on America’s trade with France, and a refusal to recognize America’s expansion, President James Madison has finally convinced the Congress to declare war. Thus far, this struggle has gone poorly. Detroit is under Canadian occupation. The South is under blockade. New Englanders are discussing secession as the American army retreats from Canada.

This conflict, known as the “Second War of Independence” in the South and “Mr. Madison’s War” in New England, has fractured both the nation and the Democratic-Republican Party on regional lines. Though he was expected to be re-nominated unanimously, the Democratic-Republican Convention of 1812 saw mass walk-outs and protests by Northern “Doves.” To prevent Madison’s re-election, and the possible collapse of the Union, Democratic-Republican opponents to Madison have done the unthinkable – they have decided to work with the Federalists.

Though disgraced nationally, the Federalists have thrown their entire support behind the dissident Democratic-Republican DeWitt Clinton. A nephew of George Clinton and friend of George Washington, DeWitt Clinton is considered a rising political star and the North’s best challenge to the Virginian Madison. The Democratic-Republican and Federalist Alliance has accused Madison of incompetently leading the country into war out of a “slavish devotion to the French.” Madison, for his part, has accused the fusion ticket of treasonous slander and corruption. Together with his party’s War Hawk’s Madison has accused Clinton of being a puppet of Northern aristocrats who want to return America to its colonial status. The election of 1812 is expected to be a race between these two men, and a referendum on the pragmatism of the Jefferson and Madison administrations.

Besides these two candidates, one last opponent to Madison remains: Former Ambassador to Great Britain Rufus King. Though the Federalist Party as a whole has thrown its support behind DeWitt Clinton, the candidate’s campaign tactics have left some Federalists unhappy. In particular, Clinton’s tendency to adopt an anti-war stance in the Northeast and a pro-war stance in the South has made prominent party leaders skeptical about Clinton’s devotion to immediate peace. Rufus King remains as an alternative candidate for uncompromisingly Federalist voters.

The Candidates:

DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN “WAR HAWK” CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee James Madison
  • Notable Positions: Secretary of State, Representative of Virginia, Writer of the Federalist Papers, Delegate at the Constitutional Convention, Primary Author of the Constitution, Delegate to the Congress of the Confederation from Virginia
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: A member of the Virginia aristocracy, James Madison first became prominent during the Constitutional Convention. There, he helped write and build consensus on a new Constitution. In 1799, Madison returned to politics as a member of the Virginia legislature, where he railed against the Federalist Party and supported nullification to counteract their influence. As a result of his spirited action and his personal relationship with Jefferson, Madison was appointed Secretary of State. In this position he oversaw the Louisiana Purchase, the Lewis and Clark expeditions, and the Barbary Wars.
  • Platform: Madison’s campaign focuses almost exclusively on the Second War of Independence and his management of it. Though he claims never to have sought war, Madison urges the country to fight vigorously against an enemy “which [is] known to spare neither age nor sex… [from its] most shocking butcheries.” Madison promises to fight the war more vigorously than ever before and to secure the northern states from invasion. He further vows to fight onward, until the British agree to respect American sovereignty, allow the free movement of American trade, and end impressment. There are other whisperings about the possible annexation of Canada and an expansion of the United States into Indian territories, but those are not official war goals. In all other affairs, Madison is an adamant Democratic-Republican. He opposes central banking, supports France, and believes in a military based on state militias. He is a slave owner.


Vice Presidential Nominee Elbridge Gerry
  • Notable Positions: Governor of Massachusetts, Representative from Massachusetts,
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: In national politics, there are as few politicians as controversial as Elbridge Gerry. The son of a wealthy British family, Elbridge Gerry actively resisted the Patriot cause during the American Revolution and was one of three men who refused to sign the United States Constitution. Though he later acceded to both documents, Gerry’s fear of “demagoguery” and has made him an unusual figure within the Democratic-Republican Party. Though he was dispatched to help resolve the XYZ Affair, some believe Gerry has “done more injury to this country… than he will be able to make atonement in his whole life.” He has the unique distinction of being the namesake of the term “gerrymandering.”
  • Platform: Gerry is a zealous supporter of Madison and has accused the Federalist Party of actively helping British forces to help their electoral chances. He supports the mass arrest of Federalist printers and party leaders. In all other affairs, Gerry is a typical Democratic-Republican. He is a passionate supporter of American-French ties and has paid special attention to Elizabeth Patterson Bonaparte, Napoleon’s sister-in-law, to retain good ties. Gerry supports decentralization and reducing the size of the federal government. He supports states’ rights but opposes increased individual freedoms because “the people have the wildest ideas of government in the world.”

DEMOCRATIC-REPUBLICAN / FEDERALIST “DOVE” CANDIDATES:


Presidential Nominee DeWitt Clinton
  • Notable Positions: United States Senator from New York, Mayor of New York City, New York State Assemblyman
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic-Republican Party
  • Biography: DeWitt Clinton is the head of New York’s Clinton family, a nephew of the recently deceased Vice President George Clinton, and a former confidant of George Washington. Though he lacks military experience, DeWitt Clinton has often drawn upon the memory of his father, a military war hero, to engage with former veterans and the state militia. As Mayor of New York he was known for personally quelling riots and has, notably, defended Catholic immigrants from angry mobs. He is an avid proponent of the fine arts and has used his ties to Manhattan Bank to sponsor New York’s cultural scene.
  • Platform: Though his backers are largely driven by a desire to end Mr. Madison’s War as soon as possible, Clinton has adopted a unique campaign strategy to avoid appearing as an appeaser. He gives anti-war speeches in places where he knows the voters oppose the war, but also gives anti-British speeches and calls for a vigorous prosecution of the war in areas where he knows that war against Britain is popular. In private, Clinton’s backers claim that these positions are not contradictory. Once Clinton is President, they argue, Clinton will massively upgrade the military capabilities of the nation, and then pursue peace from a position of equal or superior strength. This tactic has earned him the disgust of former President John Adams, who has crossed party lines to support James Madison. In all other affairs, DeWitt Clinton is a moderate who falls along the fringes of both Democratic-Republican and Federalist parties. He supports large public works projects to stimulate the economy, including a canal network to link the Great Lakes, but opposes the centralized government advocated by some Hamiltonians. He supports the abolition of slavery.


Vice Presidential Nominee Jared Ingersoll
  • Notable Positions: Attorney General of Pennsylvania, Delegate from Pennsylvania to the Second Continental Congress,
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Jared Ingersoll’s political career began in 1765, when a group of radical Patriots tarred and feathered his father before hanging his effigy outside Jared’s childhood home. Seeking to escape the rising tensions of New England, Ingersoll left New Haven to study law in Philadelphia, where he associated with moderate Patriots and eventually supported independence. Always a supporter of strong central government, Ingersoll objected to the Articles of Confederation and participated in the Constitutional Convention. He has since helped define constitutional law from Philadelphia as Attorney General.
  • Platform: Ingersoll has described the War of 1812 as a “miscarriage without even the heroism of disaster” fought with “gross misconduct [by] Madison and his ministers.” Jared Ingersoll vocally opposes “Mr. Madison’s War,” and has demanded the Administration immediately seek peace. In all other matters, Ingersoll is a moderate Federalist who supports central banking, increased authority for the national government, and close ties with Great Britain. He does not own slaves.


FEDERALIST PARTY CANDIDATES


Presidential Nominee Rufus King
  • Notable Positions: United States Senator from New York, Diplomat to the United Kingdom, New York State Assemblyman, Delegate at the Constitutional Convention
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Rufus King is known as the Last Great Federalist. The son of a Massachusetts farmer-merchant-lumberman-sea captain, King had a pleasant childhood until an angry mob ransacked his childhood home in a fit of revolutionary passion. The incident proved to be a formative experience for King, who went on to the Constitutional Convention to condemn Jeffersonian populism and (eventually) the destruction of the Articles of Confederation. Working closely with Alexander Hamilton, King helped prepare a final draft of the United States Constitution and used his oratory to ensure its ratification. Though King has struggled in politics, he does have the respect of prominent people within both major parties. He is also a friend of Francisco de Miranda, a little-known revolutionary and South American dissident.
  • Platform: Rufus King is one of the most prominent critics of Mr. Madison’s War in the Senate. He considers it a “war of party, and not one of Country.” The state militias have been illegally transformed from a defensive force to an offensive regular army. Congress has ignored public opinion. Madison has urged for war not to save the captured seamen, but to protect his electoral prospects. As such. King has advocated passive resistance to the Madison Administration to “preserve the country from ruin.” King is fundamentally opposed to violence or an expanded military. He does not believe the public would support a strong military or pay the taxes needed to support it. In all other affairs, King is a High Federalist. He believes in a strong central government, considers Napoleon to be a traitor to the French people, and supports a state-directed economy. King supports halting the expansion of slavery but is willing “to suffer the continuance of slaves until they can be gradually emancipated in states already overrun with them.”


Vice Presidential Nominee William Richardson Davie
  • Notable Positions: Governor of North Carolina, Grand Master of Masons of North Carolina, Lieutenant in the Continental Army
  • Party Affiliation: Federalist Party
  • Biography: Davie is one of the lesser Founding Fathers, a man who was old enough to fight in the Revolutionary War but too young to affect the Articles of Confederation or Constitution in any substantial way. Most prominently, Davie helped defend Charlotte, North Carolina during General Lord Cornwallis’s advance. Though Cornwallis eventually occupied Charlotte, a combination of guerilla warfare and supply problems forced the British to withdraw from “the hornet’s nest.” After the war, Davie became a circuit court lawyer, orator, and politician. He is the founder of the University of North Carolina, a Federalist island in a sea of Democratic-Republicans.
  • Platform: Davie opposes Mr. Madison’s War and considers it responsible for the South’s economic woes. Because plantations are largely dependent on foreign commerce, any prolonged blockade risks catastrophe. He is worried by the “monstrous strides toward despotism made by the party in power” and is particularly concerned about Elbridge Gerry’s place on the Democratic-Republican ticket. Though Davie is a military man, he opposes the creation of a large standing army to avoid national discontent. He believes that heavy taxes and conscription will drive New England to secede and plunge the United States into civil war. In all other affairs, Davie is a moderate Federalist. He supports rapprochement with the Indian Tribes. He is a slaveowner.

QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 03:01 on Dec 28, 2015

ATribeCalledKvetch
Nov 5, 2010

I do hate myself, but it has nothing to do with being Jewish.
DeWitt Clinton's management of the Erie Canal led to one of the few notable public works projects that finished under budget and ahead of schedule (unless my high school history teacher brazenly lied to me, which is a possibility). Kind of a no-brainer.

Clinton/Ingersoll '12

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



King continues to be the best man for the job, even with such an ironic name :lol:

Takanago
Jun 2, 2007

You'll see...
No Blood For Seamen.

King/Davie '12

fantastic in plastic
Jun 15, 2007

The Socialist Workers Party's newspaper proved to be a tough sell to downtown businessmen.
what a surprise, a politician named Clinton talks out of both sides of their mouth

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Clinton/Ingersoll '12, down with slavery!

karmicknight
Aug 21, 2011
While it pleases me to see two Federalist tickets this election, as well as seeing Clinton move from the Democratic-Republican camp thanks to Mr. Madison, we are still being denied the electoral process we deserve, one which the Democratic-Republicans destroyed in their bid to get Thomas Jefferson elected with the help of John Adams (pbuh).

Repeal the Twelfth Amendment.


(also, King/Davie '12 for the real Federalist ticket)

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
Long live the President King.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy
Clinton is an actual abolitionist and still counts as Federalist, sorry King

kalstrams posted:

Clinton/Ingersoll '12, down with slavery!

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

quote:

He gives anti-war speeches in places where he knows the voters oppose the war, but also gives anti-British speeches and calls for a vigorous prosecution of the war in areas where he knows that war against Britain is popular.

lol clinton

King/Davie '12

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Rufus King owns

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

kalstrams posted:

Clinton/Ingersoll '12, down with slavery!

I agree. Even though Clinton is a two-faced SOB, he actually has a decent track record compared to the rest of the field.

Furthermore: Down with the 12th amendment in '12!

edit: And what the heck did Pickney do to get us into a war with England?

Ibogaine has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Dec 27, 2015

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015
QuoProQuid, I really like your updates, so thanks a lot for the effort you are putting into this.

I liked the gradual development of the title "His Elective Majesty, Our Lord-Protector, John Adams, President of the United States, Protector of Their Liberties, Defender of the Faithful, and Father of the Nation" best so far. Keep up the good work!

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Federalist til I die, all hail president king

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

yall already know

Aliquid posted:

Federalist til I die, all hail president king
refusing to elect washington might be the most ahistorical result in this thread start to finish but i have a feeling 1816 could rival it

also every election after that when we all submit write-in votes for rufus king

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Aliquid posted:

Federalist til I the party dies,

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



oystertoadfish posted:

yall already know

refusing to elect washington might be the most ahistorical result in this thread start to finish but i have a feeling 1816 could rival it

also every election after that when we all submit write-in votes for rufus king

The corpse of Rufus King will still be getting elected up until the 1930s.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
Hail to the king, baby

Proposition Joe
Oct 8, 2010

He was a good man
The Democratic-Republicans have finally come to their senses and added a Massachusetts politician to their ticket, they have won my vote for this election. Although I still respect that Massachusetts born Rufus King is still in the running, the Federalists should have shored up their Massachusetts bonafides for this election.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Ibogaine posted:

QuoProQuid, I really like your updates, so thanks a lot for the effort you are putting into this.

I liked the gradual development of the title "His Elective Majesty, Our Lord-Protector, John Adams, President of the United States, Protector of Their Liberties, Defender of the Faithful, and Father of the Nation" best so far. Keep up the good work!

Thank you. I love reading the comments in the thread as posters try to convince one another to support a candidate. I'm sure there will be some interesting discussions as the Federalists die out and elections become more contentious.

oystertoadfish posted:

yall already know

refusing to elect washington might be the most ahistorical result in this thread start to finish but i have a feeling 1816 could rival it

also every election after that when we all submit write-in votes for rufus king

Unless voters were using the tertium quids as a protest vote, Monroe seems oddly popular. I'm not sure how well he'll do against his opposition, but I don't anticipate it to be a cakewalk for the Federalists and pseudo-Federalists.

Sax Mortar
Aug 24, 2004
Rufus King all the way baby!

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Lord Cyrahzax
Oct 11, 2012

I do like the Federalists, but I hate Britain far more. Let's show those tea-slurpers what for! Let's show them what American arms and resolve can do, show them that this is our continent!

Vive Madison and Vive la France!

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