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Necc0 posted:Does anyone know more about this? Given how nasty and complex state budgets can get this feels like it could have been taken way out of context and he doesn't really attribute any evidence to it. Which Republican legislator was this? Which hospital? I mean don't get me wrong this is the mother fucker responsible for the Terri Schiavo shitcircus so I'm not putting it past him but i'd like some ammo on this. Its not out of place for the GOP and Florida.
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Necc0 posted:Does anyone know more about this? Given how nasty and complex state budgets can get this feels like it could have been taken way out of context and he doesn't really attribute any evidence to it. Which Republican legislator was this? Which hospital? I mean don't get me wrong this is the mother fucker responsible for the Terri Schiavo shitcircus so I'm not putting it past him but i'd like some ammo on this. The book's author cited this GQ article.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Looks like 2015 was a great year... For gun sales. I might be getting one. And if I did, I might get a CCW (but never carry).
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The only way that JEB! story could be better is if one of the "business associates" that told him other guys that might be his real friends was his wife.
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GalacticAcid posted:The book's author cited this GQ article. It comes from a fairly unrelated indictment of term limits; that the practice basically gives the Governor a lot more power since Senators can no longer expect to outlast any given Governor. quote:"The legislature is not its own branch of government anymore," Smith began. "We're Jeb's workroom. Because of the Republican numbers, they can do whatever they want. They don't really negotiate with us. And once Jeb became governor, they laid down for him. They have bent over backward to give him more and more power. They gave him the power to appoint the secretary of state. They gave him the power to appoint all the trustees for the universities. Before, members would tell a governor, 'Screw you, you're out in eight years, and I'll be here for twenty,' but now that we have term limits, members think, 'I'm gonna be out of here in a few years. I don't want to have the governor mad at me.' So term limits have got him in a real good spot." I'd believe that Jeb literally took away money for helping children with cancer.
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radical meme posted:Yeah, for young children, baseball is a horribly boring sport; no way around it. But, the reason I love baseball so much is because it's the nerdiest, most geeky sport in the world. Everything about baseball can be explained by math and physics. Look at the huge amount of stats coming out of baseball for enthusiasts to poor over and analyze. Even the trajectory of the ball coming off the bat is determined by the velocity of the ball and the speed and angle of the bat. It's just a huge 9 inning math and physics lesson on display every game. baseball even more than football is the bastion of Real America of the old type, a tobacco-chewing friend of the family-hating sexist old white southern man's dream come true
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WampaLord posted:I lived in Florida while he was governor. Your empathy is misplaced. Cosigned. My favorite Jeb story came from his favorite part of the job: hearing requests for re-enfranchisement. A guy who had been out infraction-free and unable to vote for 20 years got denied because he sounded " My second favorite story was that his kid was such an addict poo poo-stain my high school refused him entry. I'm sure we'll be seeing more of him in a few decades. e: before anyone point this out, obviously Rick Scott is even worse Doc Hawkins fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters?
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save-gods-economy
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? right there with them http://wonkette.com/403920/jesus-people-pray-that-false-idol-will-save-gods-economy E: DAMNIT!! Beaten
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? Least they worship something, you Godless heathen! - How I imagine an evangelical responding
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? It sort of seems like modern organized American Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible or any biblical teachings, and is entirely about leveraging a convenient group and natural tribalism to consolidate power. Thousands of christians worship a literal golden calf idol, something there is literally a story about in the bible and is literally breaking the first commandment, and yet no one seems to care. However gay people and abortion, which aren't really mentioned in the bible, are huge important topics for weird religious zealots and drive a huge part of the narrative.
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icantfindaname posted:baseball even more than football is the bastion of Real America of the old type, a tobacco-chewing friend of the family-hating sexist old white southern man's dream come true I've heard this sentiment before but have to conclude it's bullshit. Baseball's biggest concentrations of fans are in places like New York, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA ~ it's ridiculous to cast it as a down home Good Old Southron Boy pursuit. Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? Welcome to New York buddy, pretty sure if you walk a few blocks you will find more than a bull's balls that might upset Christians.
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GalacticAcid posted:I've heard this sentiment before but have to conclude it's bullshit. Baseball's biggest concentrations of fans are in places like New York, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA ~ it's ridiculous to cast it as a down home Good Old Southron Boy pursuit. Yes but there's also St. Louis, where the Best Fans In Baseball routinely have hot takes about Ferguson protesters and talented black players leaving in free agency.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:Yes but there's also St. Louis, where the Best Fans In Baseball routinely have hot takes about Ferguson protesters and talented black players leaving in free agency. As a militant Pirates fan I refuse to speak of them.
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GalacticAcid posted:I've heard this sentiment before but have to conclude it's bullshit. Baseball's biggest concentrations of fans are in places like New York, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA ~ it's ridiculous to cast it as a down home Good Old Southron Boy pursuit. Yeah, casting it as "southern racists" is weird. It's mostly northern racists, concentrated in places known for their abuse of minorities like New York, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA...
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? Fetishism is something far cruder than Christianity.
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Stereotype posted:It sort of seems like modern organized American Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible or any biblical teachings, and is entirely about leveraging a convenient group and natural tribalism to consolidate power. As my doctor told me when I got my Hepatitis C test back, "you got it kid!" EDIT: This is an out-of-context 30 Rock joke and I am definitely not Hazel Wassername  Speaking of which, Medicaid is rationing access to Hep C drugs, so unless you already have liver damage from it good luck poor people, hope you don't pass it on to anyone else! (The drug also costs Medicaid a good $95k per course, so it's understandable from an administrative perspective, but JHC there's so much authentically American awfulness happening here.) Combed Thunderclap fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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GalacticAcid posted:I've heard this sentiment before but have to conclude it's bullshit. Baseball's biggest concentrations of fans are in places like New York, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA ~ it's ridiculous to cast it as a down home Good Old Southron Boy pursuit. You're right that 'Southern' wasn't the best choice of words, if anything I associate baseball more with classic/pre-1970s major cities in the North. The thing is though, those cities were run white people who were (and still are lots of the time!) incredibly racist. Martin Luther King called Chicago worse than Mississippi after all. Baseball peaked during and was defined by an era of American society which agreed to assimilate 'white ethnics' but still considered blacks, mexicans, asians and women beyond the pale , and that attitude and legacy has stuck with it. So maybe 'old white southern man' isn't accurate, but 'old white pre-70s northern city dweller' is
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Combed Thunderclap posted:Speaking of which, Medicaid is rationing access to Hep C drugs, so unless you already have liver damage from it good luck poor people, hope you don't pass it on to anyone else! You say "costs Medicaid $95,000 a course", I and the rest of the country hear "OBAMACARE DEATH PANELS."
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Defenestration posted:I think this was posted recently Irony is dead. Isn't worshipping a golden calf literally word-for-word verboten in the Bible?
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Last time people did that God was not too pleased, yes.
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drilldo squirt posted:Last time people did that God was not too pleased, yes. God was going to kill everyone for it until Moses talked him down by going "Hey man, if you kill everyone, the Egyptians will be like 'Haha! Look how dumb the Hebrews are! Their God brought them out of slavery and then killed all of them! What a stupid god.'"
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Anyone remember that time someone dropped a bunch of dollar bills into the stock exchange pit and started a riot
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I remember seeing a picture of fat wall street types crawling over each other to get the dollar bills.
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Night10194 posted:God was going to kill everyone for it until Moses talked him down by going "Hey man, if you kill everyone, the Egyptians will be like 'Haha! Look how dumb the Hebrews are! Their God brought them out of slavery and then killed all of them! What a stupid god.'" Hmm, dudes toned down since sodom and that flooding thing.
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Samurai Sanders posted:So I just visited Wall Street for the first time and saw people literally lined up to rub the bull's balls for good luck in business. Is there any more blatant pagan idol worship than that that happens in America these days? Where the hell are all the Christian protesters? The Presidential Monuments on the National Mall are undisguised recreations of the old Roman system of Imperial Cults and the deification of the Emperors. Also this:  Literally titled The Apotheosis of Washington.
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Squalid posted:The Presidential Monuments on the National Mall are undisguised recreations of the old Roman system of Imperial Cults and the deification of the Emperors. Also this: Ive been on a tour of the Capitol building and been near the ceiling where this is painted as well as the roof. It's kind of terrifying being that high off the ground as echo-ey as that building is! Are any other Western countries as pseudo-religious towards its founding fathers (excluding Turkey, which is nominally "Western" as it is)?
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:
You'd have to define founding father. Like for example, is Germany's some national hero from before the unification, the unification parties itself (Bismarck et all),  , the post WW2 leaders, or the post-Cold War factions?
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Are any other Western countries as pseudo-religious towards its founding fathers (excluding Turkey, which is nominally "Western" as it is)? Fascist Italy tried explicit veneration with ancient Rome, I think. But even then, I don't ghink these were individual people.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Ive been on a tour of the Capitol building and been near the ceiling where this is painted as well as the roof. It's kind of terrifying being that high off the ground as echo-ey as that building is! I can't find any examples of this exact kind of pseudo-religiousness in Western states, which is arguably unique to our nation's obsession with Christianity and manifest destiny. It's still worthy to note that other Western nations can still have ghosts of something like that surrounding them — Charles de Gaulle in France (not to mention their obsession with laïcité), Churchill for the UK — but that's more the usual reverence, hero myths, and rigid insistence on particular shared values that are the foundation of just about every major Western nation-state.
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meristem posted:Well, most European countries are *old*. So founders, not so much (and they are often half-mythical, think Britain/Arthur), but all countries have a historical 'good King x' or something that's particularly well-remembered. Again, this depends on your definition. You can make a reasonable argument that many modern European states are quite new, younger than the United States even (France didn't overthrow its monarchs for good until the 1870s, Italy didn't unify until the 1860s, Germany didn't unify until the 1880s, etc).
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Ive been on a tour of the Capitol building and been near the ceiling where this is painted as well as the roof. It's kind of terrifying being that high off the ground as echo-ey as that building is! The thing about founder-worship in the US versus say Turkey or some other country is that the founders are not invoked to defend/promote the actual exact ideology that the founders actually held, whereas Ataturk is extremely closely associated with a specific, narrow ideological vision and people who don't share that vision hate the guy. Literally everyone in the US will invoke the founders to support their ideology. I guess the lesson is that pluralist liberalism owns
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icantfindaname posted:The thing about founder-worship in the US versus say Turkey or some other country is that the founders are not invoked to defend/promote the actual exact ideology that the founders actually held, whereas Ataturk is extremely closely associated with a specific, narrow ideological vision and people who don't share that vision hate the guy. Literally everyone in the US will invoke the founders to support their ideology. I guess the lesson is that pluralist liberalism owns To be fair, we had many founders and they believed wildly different things. So you can find one supporting or opposing virtually anything, see also, slavery.
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It makes sense that the founders are a big deal in the USA since the Constitution is the bedrock of the government - moreso than many nations - and they wrote that. So there's a definite moral authority that anyone and everyone can draw on. Of course, much like everything else they touch, the far right has muddled the facts beyond recognition and added deific veneration on top of everything else.
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computer parts posted:Again, this depends on your definition. You can make a reasonable argument that many modern European states are quite new, younger than the United States even (France didn't overthrow its monarchs for good until the 1870s, Italy didn't unify until the 1860s, Germany didn't unify until the 1880s, etc).
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:It makes sense that the founders are a big deal in the USA since the Constitution is the bedrock of the government - moreso than many nations - and they wrote that. So there's a definite moral authority that anyone and everyone can draw on. Someone could create pictures of the founding fathers with right wing media heads but then people would start using it un-ironically.
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