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There is no fuckin' way on Earth that BB-8 isn't going to be in the next one. He is the most marketable toy the new Star Wars films have.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:- There's pretty much no reason for BB8 to be in the next one, since he's completed his Get the Map mission. I'll miss him! (They'll probably force some reason for him to be prominent in Ep 8 though) Yeah remember when R2D2 completed his mission of delivering the Death Star plans and he was never seen again?
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Dec 28, 2015 20:26
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:- There's pretty much no reason for BB8 to be in the next one, since he's completed his Get the Map mission. I'll miss him! (They'll probably force some reason for him to be prominent in Ep 8 though) BB8 is Poe's equivalent of R2D2. He'll probably be in Poe's scenes like R2 was in Luke's.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:29
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Fast droids are like fast zombies. Once they appear, there's no going back.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:35
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Yeah the "it was snoke" thing had me cringe so hard in a movie that was otherwise completely uncringeworthy Except with how much of a pussy kylo is. Reminds me of the nerdy guy from Grandmas Boy.
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Dec 28, 2015 20:39
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah remember when R2D2 completed his mission of delivering the Death Star plans and he was never seen again? 
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Dec 28, 2015 21:09
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Kylo fuckin owned. I really like the whole direction they took him with the being 'tempted' by the light. The thought of someone just not having it in them to be grimdark 100% of the time is a nice twist to the standard boring sith deal they always have going on. I kind of hope that he's doing the long con, where he's actually a good guy who is trying to eliminate the sith / other dark side users, and the only way he thinks he can is to infiltrate them. Some of the scenes he was in were ambiguous enough to make me think it's a possibility, like when he's talking to Vader's helmet. The whole "I will finish what you started" deal could mean a couple things, one of which is potentially destroying the last of the Sith, like Vader.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:42
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Han/Kylo bridge showdown. How did you interpret it? I thought Kylo was maybe struggling but his plan was definitely to 'betray' Han from the get go. He says something along the lines of "I know what I need to do but I don't know if I can, help me". Han, and the audience, interprets this as him wanting to come over to the light. But what he actually means is he must kill his father to truly join the dark side/begin his training as a sith. He extends his light saber but refuses to let go when Han grabs it. You can see the look of surprise on Han's face as Kylo wrestles it into position. That's how I saw it. Anyway, the whole "the galactic senate moves around, Couscant wasn't vaporised" thing was news to me. How badly was the republic fleet damaged by Starkiller base? I think Leia or someone says the republic will be sitting ducks without their fleet, as if it had been destroyed. But that seems unlikely, if TNO have the resources to build such a weapon, the Republic must have quite a vast fleet (and not be stupid enough to station all of it close together. But then again, Star Wars). I figured only The Resistance attacked the base because The Republic was reeling from the first attack and the weapon was set to fire again in like half an hour once they had any battle plans ready.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:52
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Mon Mothma demilitarized the Republic (cut the army down to a tiny fraction), and the fleet follows the senate around  It got exploded. The big picture is that the good and bad guys are on equal footing now, despite the Republic's 30 year head start.
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Dec 28, 2015 21:59
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Did anyone have somebody walk out of the theater after Han gets iced? I counted one dude at mine.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:02
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Snoke has to be either one of people from the Empire that fled after ROTJ to "find the source of the Dark Side" and became corrupted by the Dark Side or an old Sith they revived/discovered/awoke when they went there. I cannot imagine that they wrote that in Aftermath if that isnt where they were going to be drawing the new baddies from.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:11
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Kaedric posted:Kylo fuckin owned. Actually, they're most likely going with the irony route. The more Kylo tries to be like Vader, the less he ends up like him. Vader wouldn't kill his son, but Kylo killed his father. Vader came back to the light side, and Kylo is moving further away from it. Vader was in control of his character, and Kylo is totally out of control. So we aren't likely to see him getting redeemed.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Han/Kylo bridge showdown. How did you interpret it? Han thinks that he can bring Kylo home by just reminding him that he has a family to come home to, and it almost works. All of Kylo's temptation by the light is to set up that he is legitimately considering taking Han up on it, but he ignites the saber during the split second where he summons the resolve to stay on the dark side. People are whining that Kylo Ren isn't scary, but I think that his dopiness is going to make him more dangerous than Vader was. If he was some hot poo poo Sith who knew he was hot poo poo, he wouldn't have felt the need to kill Han. But Kylo Ren is a man with something to prove, and that makes him unpredictable, it means he might do something irrational if he thinks it will make him more like Vader. The temper tantrums were funny in this movie, but I'd put money on Ep8 showing a human on the receiving end of one of those.
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Obstacle2 posted:Snoke is a dumb name for the evil leader of the bad guys. It would have been fine for some dude sitting in a corner in Maz's place. Snoke is a terrible name. It sounds like a name of someone in Harry Potter (like Snape?) This is especially the case when you make the decision to have guy look like he's Voldemort. I couldn't escape the feeling that Voldemort escaped to Star Wars and needs to destroy the Republic if his planned revenge on Harry Potter is to succeed. In other news, I've thought about it all week and I like the film less and less. It's almost completely derivative of the original series--scene for scene--and the plot feels almost entirely derived from Episode IV. And that's not getting into all of the confusing "A, B, C, D, E... Z," which either does not make sense or in some way breaks continuity. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 28, 2015 22:22
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Kaedric posted:Kylo fuckin owned. When he's speaking to Vader's helmet he asks it to show him again the power of the Dark Side-- he knows that he's walked down a seemingly irreversible path, and he needs to be convinced that it was the right decision, because he feels conflict inside himself.
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Kulkasha posted:Did anyone have somebody walk out of the theater after Han gets iced? I counted one dude at mine. Maybe they just had to piss.
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Kulkasha posted:Did anyone have somebody walk out of the theater after Han gets iced? I counted one dude at mine. My entire theater was struck so silent you could hear a pin drop when that happened.
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I hope Snoke is like fifty feet tall and the hologram was actually making him smaller instead of bigger.
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Empress Theonora posted:My entire theater was struck so silent you could hear a pin drop when that happened. I read zero spoilers and this event was so obvious to me the moment we find out Ren is Hans son. I even immediately identified when it was going to happen. Look, he's walking out onto a bridge--derived from the scene where Luke is first confronted with the fact he is Vader's son. A bridge over a pit. I bet Han is somehow thrown into the Abyss--derivative of the Emperors death scene in Return of the Jedi. It was all so obvious that the scene evoked zero emotion from me at all. Edit Really, from the standpoint of a movie in a pre existing series of films, the movie was a unoriginal piece of garbage. If I could better divorce myself from the fact this movie was situated in an ongoing cinematic story consisting of 6 previous movies, it would have been drat good. Not with the huge scope and gravitas of the original (again forget about context), but very entertaining and pretty compelling. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 28, 2015 22:32
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ZombieLenin posted:Snoke is a terrible name. Villain who appears only as a hologram - "smoke and mirrors" - "smoke" - Snoke
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Dec 28, 2015 22:35
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Neo Rasa posted:I hope Snoke is like fifty feet tall and the hologram was actually making him smaller instead of bigger. This. I also hope they don't ruin Fin by making him a Jedi.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:37
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ZombieLenin posted:I read zero spoilers and this event was so obvious to me the moment we find out Ren is Hans son. We got a real bad rear end movie watcher over here.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:38
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Kylo Ren bows only before the new leader of the sith, Dark Lord Snooki
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It must be a bummer to only be capable of having an emotional reaction to things if you're surprised by them.
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DStecks posted:Villain who appears only as a hologram - "smoke and mirrors" - "smoke" - Snoke DStecks posted:Villain who appears only as a hologram - "smoke and mirrors" - "smoke" - Snoke You mean exactly like Palpatine in episode IV and V or like Sidious in episode I & II? Let me guess, we will see Snoke for real in episode IX? I really should forget this thread exists because it keeps digging the hole deeper--in my mind at least--for The Force Awakens.
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Dec 28, 2015 22:43
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ZombieLenin posted:You mean exactly like Palpatine in episode IV and V or like Sidious in episode I & II? Egad! A visual and thematic continuity was maintained among these films somehow! How did they know my one weakness?
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Dec 28, 2015 22:45
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ZombieLenin posted:Really, from the standpoint of a movie in a pre existing series of films, the movie was a unoriginal piece of garbage. If I could better divorce myself from the fact this movie was situated in an ongoing cinematic story consisting of 6 previous movies, it would have been drat good. Not with the huge scope and gravitas of the original (again forget about context), but very entertaining and pretty compelling. This is how I would imagine Hux posts on message boards. Why are you trying so hard to convince yourself not to enjoy it, when you already agree that its a good movie? Actually, don't answer that. Let the hate flow through you.
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ZombieLenin posted:I read zero spoilers and this event was so obvious to me the moment we find out Ren is Hans son. I'm not sure why predicting an event makes it lose any of its impact, unless of course you don't give a poo poo about Han or what he's gone through since we last saw him. quote:Edit You don't know what "original" actually means.
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Jedit posted:^^^ Vader is German for "father", though. Seeing even bad movies with him in it is a treat, just because he lifts a movie by his presence alone. Besides, one of my favorite horror/thriller movies is The Wicker Man, so he will forever get a pass from me. As far as the Hobbit, he was a giant Tolkien nerd, so he would of course want to be a part of them. He was not the reason they sucked. DStecks posted:Han thinks that he can bring Kylo home by just reminding him that he has a family to come home to, and it almost works. All of Kylo's temptation by the light is to set up that he is legitimately considering taking Han up on it, but he ignites the saber during the split second where he summons the resolve to stay on the dark side. Ren might go berserker rage in ep8. That would be interesting.
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enraged_camel posted:Actually, they're most likely going with the irony route. The more Kylo tries to be like Vader, the less he ends up like him. Vader wouldn't kill his son, but Kylo killed his father. Vader came back to the light side, and Kylo is moving further away from it. Vader was in control of his character, and Kylo is totally out of control. So we aren't likely to see him getting redeemed. Kylo Ren is basically Luke had he decided to go dark side. Hux is Luke had he joined the empire and made a career of it and never heard a thing about the force. Poe Dameron is practically Luke had he ignored the Ben vision on Hoth. Finn had he become a stormtrooper, he probably would have defected to the rebels also. I absolutely agree that Kylo Ren wont be redeemed, they will do a fake out though. Would be a good way to get to Leia and I don't put it passed his character to go through all that trouble to accomplish something, after failing hard with Starkiller/Rey.
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Viller posted:I absolutely agree that Kylo Ren wont be redeemed, they will do a fake out though. Would be a good way to get to Leia and I don't put it passed his character to go through all that trouble to accomplish something, after failing hard with Starkiller/Rey. They already did the fake out. Leia is unlikely to fall for it, since she's Luke's sister and would sense Kylo's bullshit.
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Not that anybody asked, but here's my father's synopsis of Star Wars: The Force Awakens:lizardman's Dad posted:It's a sad tale of a man who gets killed doing what his wife wanted him to do, after he told her there was nothing that could be done to fix the situation. The moral of the story is: Men - do what you know is right, even if the women you love wants you to do something else." He's been through two divorces, so...
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Dec 28, 2015 23:28
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Doronin posted:If the Aftermath book is any indication, odds are that it's some planet they hid around while they started to rebuild. At the end of that book, we're introduced to some yet-unnamed Fleet Admiral with a Super Star Destroyer in his command, and everyone presumed this mystery man dead. So there are elements to the First Order, from the very outset, that not even other remnants of the former Empire are aware of. Episode 8 speculation: I really hope this unnamed admiral is Benicio Del Toro as Thrawn. Del Toro was Rian Johnson's first choice for episode 8's villain and he resembles Thrawn, so I think it's likely.
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Viller posted:Kylo Ren is basically Luke had he decided to go dark side. Hux is Luke had he joined the empire and made a career of it and never heard a thing about the force. Poe Dameron is practically Luke had he ignored the Ben vision on Hoth. Finn had he become a stormtrooper, he probably would have defected to the rebels also. It's Lukes all the way down!
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I've tried to keep up with the thread so maybe this has been discussed already, but have we talked about Rey's skills in/proclivities for fixing poo poo and being nice to droids as a way of showing a potential relation to Anakin?Wingnut Ninja posted:It's Lukes all the way down! poo poo, all I got are Luukes over here.  edit: wait, there's a Luuuke as well? Holy moly, EU. i am the bird fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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To be fair I do think that Rey and Finn do split some of the Lukeness. She of course has the whole thing with being the jedi and the Chosen one, but generally comes off as more competent within the first movie. Finn takes a lot of the more early noviceness of Luke in my opinion. I do wonder what will happen with him in the later movies though, leaving him as basically Han but with early movie Luke's general level of competence outside of the Death STar run would make him come off as a side kick which I think would suck.
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Kaedric posted:Kylo fuckin owned. I liked that too - a little twist on the good guy tempted by the bad But the actor looks like a fuckin nerd and the scrawny weasel thing just killed the character for me once he took his helmet off
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oswald ownenstein posted:I liked that too - a little twist on the good guy tempted by the bad The actor looking like a complete nerd once he took off his scary wannabe Vader helmet is a pretty central part of who the character is.
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I saw the movie for a second time last night and enjoyed it more. A lot of the issues I had, like death star 3.0 and the chain of coincidences aka the will of the force, didn't bother me on the rewatch. Instead of a jarring "oh come on" reveal when han and chewie board the falcon, I felt excited knowing they were coming in screen. Compared to phantom menace where I dread a solid hour of the film I won't have a problem watching this in 10 years. the light saber duel is even better for me the second time paying more attention to the actors instead of trying to follow the action. Still mystified at jj not understanding space. Trek and wars both have the reaction shot to a planet exploding overhead despite being light years apart
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