Groovelord Neato posted:

it was entertaining seeing a bunch of goons blather on about luke and rey being mary sues showing they have no idea what that term means at all.

w-what's a hero's journey?

Booblord Zagats posted:

Snatch Duster, Care-mad or Butt-mad?

Find out tonight on GBS News at Nine!

Groovelord Neato posted:

he doesn't even know which character it is, that's precious.

Snatch Duster posted:

I'm just asking questions. I don't know words cuz i'm a gooney goon gooner.

Booblord Zagats posted:

Way to spoil mye xclusive report. Now they all know it's Butt-Mad. gently caress! My producer is gonna make me cover the daddening now

Wikipedia posted:

In narratology and comparative mythology, the monomyth, or the hero's journey, is the common template of a broad category of tales that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, and in a decisive crisis wins a victory, and then comes home changed or transformed.

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The Call to Adventure: The hero begins in a situation of normality from which some information is received that acts as a call to head off into the unknown.

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Refusal of the Call: Often when the call is given, the future hero first refuses to heed it. This may be from a sense of duty or obligation, fear, insecurity, a sense of inadequacy, or any of a range of reasons that work to hold the person in his or her current circumstances.

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Supernatural Aid: Once the hero has committed to the quest, consciously or unconsciously, his guide and magical helper appears or becomes known. More often than not, this supernatural mentor will present the hero with one or more talismans or artifacts that will aid him later in his quest.

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Crossing the Threshold: This is the point where the person actually crosses into the field of adventure, leaving the known limits of his or her world and venturing into an unknown and dangerous realm where the rules and limits are not known.

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Belly of the Whale: The belly of the whale represents the final separation from the hero's known world and self. By entering this stage, the person shows willingness to undergo a metamorphosis.

Snatch Duster posted:

Heh, looks like you're gettin busted down field reporter.

Just realized it was actualy traitor trooper.

drunk asian neighbor posted:

From Joseph Campbell (super well-known mythologist), the journey is separated into 3 acts (sound familiar?) with 17 stages. The first act is called Departure and is 5 stages:


Rey leaves Jakku, where she's lived for as long as she can remember.


Rey keeps saying she needs to get back to Jakku and not continue her journey.


Han reveals to her that the legends of Luke and the Jedi are true. Also Maz gives Rey Luke's lightsaber.


Rey uses the Force without actually understanding how. Also the unknown realm is obviously her escape from Starkiller Base.


Rey accepts the Force, allowing her to beat Kylo Ren. She accepts that her destiny isn't on Jakku, and sets out to find Luke and presumably train with him.



e: this is from 10 minutes on Wikipedia and what I remember from college but I guaran-loving-tee someone has written a Masters thesis on how the OT follows the monomyth concept to a T.

e2: in fact I'm relatively sure Lucas himself has admitted as much, I'll try to find the source

Booblord Zagats posted:

Took you long enough. Goddam, son.

drunk asian neighbor posted:

e2: in fact I'm relatively sure Lucas himself has admitted as much, I'll try to find the source

Snatch Duster posted:

like is that suppose to happen in order, cuz it doesn't

Groovelord Neato posted:

joseph campbell said lucas was his best student.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Remember those monks who would put their brain in a fishbowl carried by a robot spider? I remember during or just before the prequels that was their first mail-away figure since the early 80s and people just falling all over themselves for it. I sincerely doubt most even knew what it was, but it was "Star Wars" and "rare" so they HAD to have it!

Snatch Duster posted:

For reals, who is the hero and what is their journey?

Surely not Finn, he is coward traitor that doesn't save anyone and loses in a light bat battle.

Han dies.

Chewie is still chewie

Poe was already heroic and was doing his job.

Rey? She wanted to run away from everything. Not heroic. She didn't save the galaxy by destroying the deathplanet. She didn't stop Ren from loving her up or finn. She was allowed to go find Luke with Chewie for some reason, i guess cuz she could fly the Falcon and no one else could. Probably Poe could but he probs got drunk and a blowjob because he killed deathplanet.

So who is the hero and what was the journey?

drunk asian neighbor posted:

Yes it does? She leaves Jakku, immediately tries to go back, meets Han who reveals the truth about the Jedi, is captured and uses the Force to resist Kylo Ren and escape the base, and then very obviously accepts the Force and uses it to beat Ren (she literally trances out and thinks "The Force..." right before she turns the tide of the battle. Also she refuses to accept the journey from the moment she leaves Jakku, through Maz's fortress and her capture, and it's only at the very end when she accepts the Force that she understands she needs to move forward with her journey

420 Gank Mid posted:

Refusing the call to action is a primary ingredient to the Hero's Journey

Snatch Duster posted:

Thats a pretty lovely journey. She didn't even blow anything up.


Thats all fine and good for luke which makes sense. But Rey's "journey" is missing several of those steps. Hers has like 5 out of 12.

drunk asian neighbor posted:

so you're like 14 right

also you realize that chart covers the original trilogy and we're at movie 1 of 3 in the new trilogy and the new movie literally follows the first act to its conclusion

you're either monumentally dense or a bad troll and either way it's pretty


e: I think I'm just gonna go with bad troll and stop responding because one way or another I don't know how I can possibly dumb it down any further for you

Jurgan posted:

No, it was the second blue ranger who was a little kid. I know all the sentai footage was dubbed over by the American cast, but it was really obvious when a twelve year old's voice was dubbed over the full-grown blue ranger.

Geisladisk posted:

I don't like thing, thing is stupid, and people who like thing are idiots.

Alternatively, I like thing, you're a idiot for not liking thing, here's why thing is cool and good.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Rey had a hard time flying the Falcon at first, she smashed it into the ground a couple times trying to take off. Total ace pilot guyz.

Snatch Duster posted:

her journey was poo poo and you know it.

It is missing several steps and the journey barely follows your guide

EDIT: lol you didn't even read the chart. it only covers ANH for luke.

EDIT2: hahaha so you saying TFA has her entire hero journey, but we will also have to watch the other two movies for the other two acts of her already fully realize hero journey. Man you are dense, retarded, or a troll.

drunk asian neighbor posted:

No, I said that TFA is act 1 of her 3-act journey. I said that multiple times. Even if I'm wrong about the chart, my point still stands. I literally broke down the 5 stages comprising the first act, I dunno what else to tell you

drunk asian neighbor posted:

No, I said that TFA is act 1 of her 3-act journey. I said that multiple times. Even if I'm wrong about the chart, my point still stands. I literally broke down the 5 stages comprising the first act, I dunno what else to tell you

Snatch Duster posted:

I did the same thing with my car first time I drove, where is my movie

sinking belle posted:

less tvtropes tier piss posting, more awful loving EU garbage

Booblord Zagats posted:

His name is "Snatch Duster" not "Graphic Reader"

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The Khommites were a Near-Human species hailing from the planet of Khomm. Circa 1000 BBY the Khommite people achieved a level of cloning technology far surpassing that of the rest of the galaxy. Believing that their society had achieved perfection, the people of Khomm began the cloning of "perfect" individuals, allowing their society to remain unchanged for the next millennium. Khommites' digestive systems were so specified that they could only eat processed food wafers.

Viewing Force-sensitivity as an undesirable fluke, the Khommites endeavored to remove the trait from their species. Despite this fact the trait would occasionally surface, as in the case of Dorsk 81, a Khommite Jedi Knight.

The Khommites were rigidly conformist in their views, and saw any disruption of the status quo as a threat to their way of life.

Groovelord Neato posted:

i think in one story they used some temple as a conduit to shoot Force through Dorsk 81 to push a fleet of star destroyers away or something.

sinking belle posted:

less tvtropes tier piss posting, more awful loving EU garbage

SPACE HOMOS posted:

sinking belle posted:

less tvtropes tier piss posting, more awful loving EU garbage