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Klaus88
Jan 23, 2011

Violence has its own economy, therefore be thoughtful and precise in your investment

Woolie Wool posted:

Of course they're the poo poo, but I want the same thing but with Romans, perhaps set in the universe of this guy's crazy Paradox LP. To make it match the style even further, set it in 1947 and have your plucky resistance movement crash the Roman Empire's 2700th anniversary celebration.

I genuinely didn't know if you disliked the new Wolfenstein. Yeah, that sounds like fun, I'd play it, but you run into the problem that a world dominated by Rome would be pretty alien to a lot of people.

Nessus posted:

Most people seem to agree that slavery is a pretty bad thing, and some kind of fantasy/sci fi race getting treated in a manner consistent with the way that black slaves were treated (long periods of apathetic exploitation punctuated by brutality and horror) would probably get the message across. I forget the name but there was some kind of sci-fi alt-hist thing with the Dracos or something similar, who were such bad dudes that when their world conquest army ran into the Nazis, the Nazis were probably the better choice. That's right, worse than :hitler:

That insane series with the Mary Sue south African superhumans? I feel there's some extreme issues with that series aside from the whole "bad guys worse then hitler".

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Oligopsony
May 17, 2007

Nessus posted:

Most people seem to agree that slavery is a pretty bad thing, and some kind of fantasy/sci fi race getting treated in a manner consistent with the way that black slaves were treated (long periods of apathetic exploitation punctuated by brutality and horror) would probably get the message across. I forget the name but there was some kind of sci-fi alt-hist thing with the Dracos or something similar, who were such bad dudes that when their world conquest army ran into the Nazis, the Nazis were probably the better choice. That's right, worse than :hitler:

These guys?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Yeah that one. I may have been conflating them with the one where the actual space lizards show up in WW2, but in that one the space lizards, while conquerers, were mostly motivated by wanting to teach Johnny Human how to properly worship the lizard emperor and wipe his own rear end.

Oligopsony
May 17, 2007
I think a lot of the NRx crowd has pointed out that the best period of socioeconomic advance for African-Americans (also gap-closing in test scores) was during the later periods of segregation, although realistically this has more to do with the postwar job market than anything they want to Darkly Hint at.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Oligopsony posted:

I think a lot of the NRx crowd has pointed out that the best period of socioeconomic advance for African-Americans (also gap-closing in test scores) was during the later periods of segregation, although realistically this has more to do with the postwar job market than anything they want to Darkly Hint at.
It's almost as if letting people work at jobs that pay more than subsistence wages allow them to accumulate capital of various sorts! Now perhaps let that experiment run for two hundred years and then apply your drat IQ tests, Calvin Candie.

Oligopsony
May 17, 2007
Calvinius Candcodge

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Oligopsony posted:

Calvinius Candcodge

What, no cuck pun? I'm disappointed.

A Festivus Miracle
Dec 19, 2012

I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

"There is a technical term for someone who confuses the opinions of a character in a book with those of the author. That term is 'idiot'." I like this author's moxy.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
Steve Stirling's protestations about not sharing opinions with his fictional aryan supermen race are... well, "hollow" might be going too far, but I've seen him pushing horrible far right wing opinions in various internet places, dating back to Usenet (specifically, rasfw). I never did get around to reading any of the Draka books, even though I've got at least one on my shelves, and that's partially because after buying one based on a recommendation the author kinda turned me off being interested in finding out what's inside. (and that was at a time in my life when I was waaay more sympathetic to right wing politics)

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Clark finally loses the Hat. "... it's become clear that our tactics and audiences differ and it makes sense for me to excuse myself from Ken's living room and write elsewhere."

quote:

The guiding principles of the blog, to the extent that it has any, are that no topics are beyond the pale, and we aim to discuss things at a systems level instead of object level. E.g. more "here is a thousand year history of the culture war behind gamergate" and less "These are the five people ruining games. Hate them. Now."

A few posts I've got in mind are

* Disaggregation is next to Godliness
* Science doesn't work
* Chain of custody / chain of block
* The book "Games People Play" and the social justice movement
* Hunter S Thompson discovers neoreaction (welcome to crab country)

The new blog. It'll surely be a delight.

edit: Just noticed that the first comment on Clark's last post is Ken asking people to "Be civil, please."

divabot has a new favorite as of 22:32 on Dec 30, 2015

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I wonder if he's going to be attributing "Science doesn't work" to his opponents as part of the "but but but postmoderism" thing or instead a "Wah, the scientific establishment won't endorse my worldview".

Ironically, I'm pretty sure both posts are going to happen.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

divabot posted:

edit: Just noticed that the first comment on Clark's last post is Ken asking people to "Be civil, please."

And what appears below contains a lot of preemptive rudeness directed at people who didn't like Clark, because of course it would. I was hoping for at least one "you won't be missed" parting shot but nada. (Which, by me, is simultaneously a credit and a demerit to the anti-Clark faction of Popehat.)

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

BobHoward posted:

And what appears below contains a lot of preemptive rudeness directed at people who didn't like Clark, because of course it would. I was hoping for at least one "you won't be missed" parting shot but nada. (Which, by me, is simultaneously a credit and a demerit to the anti-Clark faction of Popehat.)
They're deleting comments. Earlier I saw at least one "and nothing of value was lost" that isn't there anymore.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

ikanreed posted:

I wonder if he's going to be attributing "Science doesn't work" to his opponents as part of the "but but but postmoderism" thing or instead a "Wah, the scientific establishment won't endorse my worldview".
Ironically, I'm pretty sure both posts are going to happen.

Probably in the same sentence. The first post starts off as if it might plausibly have a point (nothing wrong with diversity, just the training for it doesn't work as planned!) but rapidly descends into Eric S. Raymond's gibbering conspiracy theories on the Ada Initiative and various Gamergate targets. The post is not by Clark but by the other poster, Meredith Patterson.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

Clark finally loses the Hat. "... it's become clear that our tactics and audiences differ and it makes sense for me to excuse myself from Ken's living room and write elsewhere."


The new blog. It'll surely be a delight.

edit: Just noticed that the first comment on Clark's last post is Ken asking people to "Be civil, please."

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Haha holy poo poo.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I would like to think tactics this tweet was what made Ken and Clark decide their "tactics" aren't compatible, but the timeline doesn't fit.

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

wait why are you mad at me the progressives did it

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer
Let's all point and laugh at Return of Kings:

https://twitter.com/ReturnOfKings/status/682335621147279360

quote:

SJW Star Wars fans are crying to us right now because we caused their lovely movie to lose millions of dollars

EDIT: I couldn't fit in the link they provided but click on it because it's page after page of people showing how wrong they are.

Maxwell Lord has a new favorite as of 00:57 on Dec 31, 2015

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Maxwell Lord posted:

Let's all point and laugh at Return of Kings:

https://twitter.com/ReturnOfKings/status/682335621147279360


EDIT: I couldn't fit in the link they provided but click on it because it's page after page of people showing how wrong they are.

Wait didn't that movie make like over a billion dollars already.

Maxwell Lord
Dec 12, 2008

I am drowning.
There is no sign of land.
You are coming down with me, hand in unlovable hand.

And I hope you die.

I hope we both die.


:smith:

Grimey Drawer

Night10194 posted:

Wait didn't that movie make like over a billion dollars already.

Yes but a few people voted on a poll so they've clearly lost money.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
https://archive.is/rxey1

Because they boycotted it it lost a whole 4 million (probably!).

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
I love it. For years action movie makers were afraid of diversity and that it wouldn't sell.

Now Star Wars comes out, blows the gently caress out of a lot of records, in spite of active resistance on the part of the audience they were afraid of losing.

It's a perfect summary for how things have changed for the better.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


:reddit: So this is how Star Wars dies...to thundering applause...

GottaPayDaTrollToll
Dec 3, 2009

by Lowtax

divabot posted:

Clark finally loses the Hat. "... it's become clear that our tactics and audiences differ and it makes sense for me to excuse myself from Ken's living room and write elsewhere."


The new blog. It'll surely be a delight.

edit: Just noticed that the first comment on Clark's last post is Ken asking people to "Be civil, please."

The sneering dismissal of "object level" discourse in NRx circles is always amusing. Not only do they refuse to talk about actual things that actually happened, they somehow manage to consider that refusal proof of their intellectual virtue.

Merdifex
May 13, 2015

by Shine

divabot posted:

Probably in the same sentence. The first post starts off as if it might plausibly have a point (nothing wrong with diversity, just the training for it doesn't work as planned!) but rapidly descends into Eric S. Raymond's gibbering conspiracy theories on the Ada Initiative and various Gamergate targets. The post is not by Clark but by the other poster, Meredith Patterson.

That's one of the people who claimed that their opinion on gamergate shifted after they saw that medium piece by Eron Gjoni's friend about how much trouble Eron had after making Zoe's private life public.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

They're deleting comments. Earlier I saw at least one "and nothing of value was lost" that isn't there anymore.

Won't someone spare this poor bigot's delicate feefee's?

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Merdifex posted:

That's one of the people who claimed that their opinion on gamergate shifted after they saw that medium piece by Eron Gjoni's friend about how much trouble Eron had after making Zoe's private life public.

Didn't he originally post it on SA to get immediately banned for posting a long worthless helldump? It's a shame it didn't just end there.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:

The sneering dismissal of "object level" discourse in NRx circles is always amusing. Not only do they refuse to talk about actual things that actually happened, they somehow manage to consider that refusal proof of their intellectual virtue.

The meta-level is when you beat a guy in Connect 4, and he tells you he actually won because he was playing 3-dimensional chess against his perfect mental model of you and he got a checkmate in three moves.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

BobHoward posted:

Steve Stirling's protestations about not sharing opinions with his fictional aryan supermen race are... well, "hollow" might be going too far, but I've seen him pushing horrible far right wing opinions in various internet places, dating back to Usenet (specifically, rasfw). I never did get around to reading any of the Draka books, even though I've got at least one on my shelves, and that's partially because after buying one based on a recommendation the author kinda turned me off being interested in finding out what's inside. (and that was at a time in my life when I was waaay more sympathetic to right wing politics)

The guy is loving notorious as an internet presence. I've lost count of the SF/F comment sections he's shown up in out of nowhere and been banned from.

GottaPayDaTrollToll
Dec 3, 2009

by Lowtax

Woolie Wool posted:

Didn't he originally post it on SA to get immediately banned for posting a long worthless helldump? It's a shame it didn't just end there.

Yup.



IIRC he posted it to a couple other forums that also banned him immediately. Ironic that the only place that was willing to be his personal army was 4chan.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

RagnarokAngel posted:

https://archive.is/rxey1

Because they boycotted it it lost a whole 4 million (probably!).

quote:

Armed with the largest bullhorns and supernova-level self-entitlement, SJW's still cannot drown out more thought-out messages like ours.


ahahahahahahahhaahhahahahaha

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

divabot posted:

Probably in the same sentence. The first post starts off as if it might plausibly have a point (nothing wrong with diversity, just the training for it doesn't work as planned!) but rapidly descends into Eric S. Raymond's gibbering conspiracy theories on the Ada Initiative and various Gamergate targets. The post is not by Clark but by the other poster, Meredith Patterson.

From the comments:

quote:

“Diversity” proponents covertly smuggle in the social justice theory of John Rawls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls

As such they assert that rights inhere in groups rather than in individuals.

But observe that reality is composed of nothing but individual things, so the “social justice” construct is detached from nature and so “diversity” has no moral foundation in reality.

yeah each individual fundamental particle in the universe is its own special snowflake and the universe likes to keep them all separate and compartmentalized and definitely doesn't require mixing a whole bunch of different ones to give form to matter.

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

From the comments:

quote:

“Diversity” proponents covertly smuggle in the social justice theory of John Rawls. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rawls

As such they assert that rights inhere in groups rather than in individuals.

But observe that reality is composed of nothing but individual things, so the “social justice” construct is detached from nature and so “diversity” has no moral foundation in reality.

yeah each individual fundamental particle in the universe is its own special snowflake and the universe likes to keep them all separate and compartmentalized and definitely doesn't require mixing a whole bunch of different ones to give form to matter.

Ecology and evolution are myths. Biology is only concerned with the properties of individual atoms.

Dr. Video Games 0081
Jan 19, 2005
That's a terrible reading of Rawls

Curvature of Earth
Sep 9, 2011

Projected cost of
invading Canada:
$900

Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:

That's a terrible reading of Rawls

Somehow I don't think they've read Rawls.

Oligopsony
May 17, 2007

Curvature of Earth posted:

Somehow I don't think they've read Rawls.

He's one of those Cultural Marxists, right? Says so right here on this flowchart. Cladistics!

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Curvature of Earth posted:

Somehow I don't think they've read Rawls.

"Skimming the wikipedia page" is the same as reading his works, right?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Steven Pinker convinced a generation of dumb nerds that the blank slate is a Marxist thing rather than a founding principle of liberal capitalism, so why not make Rawls a Marxist?

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Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

RagnarokAngel posted:

https://archive.is/rxey1

Because they boycotted it it lost a whole 4 million (probably!).

This is that thing where they did something like: (55% of people who voted in a poll said they didn't see SW because we told them it was SJW) X ($8 ticket price) X (Gross life time page views) = 4 million bucks?

I'm not really trying to read that crap just to confirm if it's that or some other SW related idiocy.


Crain has a new favorite as of 05:49 on Dec 31, 2015

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