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Neowyrm posted:"I will finish........ Nothing will stand in our way of bad puns.
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And his favorite classical composer?
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Maxwell Lord posted:And his favorite classical composer? Rossini?
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I think if Rey has no connection to the Skywalkers her story in this movie doesn't make as much sense. Why would the Force be so aggressively trying to awaken her to her destiny if she's just some random person? Just being strong with the Force shouldn't be enough to prompt Obi-Wan to speak to her through the Force, Anakin's lightsaber to call out to her, and for her to dream about the First Jedi Temple frequently. There were tons of Jedi in the prequels but I don't think any of them would have the experience she had with zero training, save perhaps for Anakin. Even if she's not related to them, there's gotta be something special to her background, otherwise she'd have a last name and we'd know who her parents were and why she was left on Jakku already.
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Well Manicured Man posted:Rossini? Puccini
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She's going to be Lando's illegitimate daughter
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Neurolimal posted:She's going to be Lando's illegitimate daughter What if she is actually just Luke's adopted daughter? Would this satisfy the Skywalker fanatics?
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Wookie Bouquet posted:What if she is actually just Luke's There was no mother, she's a gender-swapped Luuke.
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I watched this move again today, with a much more critical mindset: The scene where rey and ren are separated by the chasm....this is going to be a hugely significant scene in later movies. It reeks of symbolism. General Hux. I hate this character. He's a snarky, overly cocky little bitch. Seriously, this is the leader of the First Order's military? WTF Rey has to be a skywalker. Way too much points to this. I think the question is whether or not she is Luke's or Leia's. (Or both...but, ya know, disney). The resistance is there to fight evil. Maz is clear about this, that the current major evil is the First Order and Snoke. Snoke is an interesting guy. He seems really, really old, and beat to poo poo. Yoda's line "when 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not" comes to mind. Also..."there is another skywalker" What if Obi-Wan "lied" again. What if the other skywallker was not Leia, but Rey (who probably came from Leia). Also, there is an awkward amount of man-crushing between Poe and Finn. I'm not against man crushing, but its the only relationship that seems forced.
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Teek posted:There was no mother, she's a gender-swapped Luuke. Yet another miracle birth thanks to midiclorians or whatever spawned Anakin?
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Teek posted:There was no mother, she's a gender-swapped Luuke. When people complain she's a "Mary Sue", I jokingly suggested that she's a Luke clone because all the 'evidence' for it appears similar to what Luke did in the OT.
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The MSJ posted:When people complain she's a "Mary Sue", I jokingly suggested that she's a Luke clone because all the 'evidence' for it appears similar to what Luke did in the OT. I do think that in some ways she comes across as a bit more so than Luke, but not extremely so. I think the semi-inherentence of the Falcon didn't help since it kinda makes her Han-Luke compared to Poe being Wedge and Finn being Han but with a less broad skillset.
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Wookie Bouquet posted:What if she is actually just Luke's adopted daughter? Would this satisfy the Skywalker fanatics? I think that would be alright? If the movies do go in the direction of "Star Wars is the story of the Skywalkers," it would be neat if they also said "family doesn't have to just be by blood."
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PunkBoy posted:I think that would be alright? If the movies do go in the direction of "Star Wars is the story of the Skywalkers," it would be neat if they also said "family doesn't have to just be by blood." It also retroactively solidifies the OT as a strictly family affair, since Palpatine would justifiably be Luke's (metaphorical) grandfather.
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Gorelab posted:I do think that in some ways she comes across as a bit more so than Luke, but not extremely so. I think the semi-inherentence of the Falcon didn't help since it kinda makes her Han-Luke compared to Poe being Wedge and Finn being Han but with a less broad skillset. I was completely on the side of her being a Mary Sue until watching it again. But I think it comes off to me more as she is just so constantly driven. She is obviously very smart, she has proven that she can survive as an attractive girl on a deserted planet, she just seems to always need to be moving or doing something. She is laser focused on what she wants and on making herself better. She refuses to give up. This reminds me a lot of Padme (TPM Padme, not married Padme). She instinctively gets all machinery. If that isn't textbook Anakin, I don't know what is. And the pilot skills? Same thing. Rey is my favorite character. That may be tempering this a bit, but I think this movie is100% about her. It's got some great secondary storylines, but it's all about Rey. That's why the politics don't matter, and Kylo Ren could be a little bitch. Because the next movie is going to be about them preparing to face each other. And maybe a little "No, I am your father" thrown in there somewhere, from someone.
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Solfrann posted:She instinctively gets all machinery. I don't think she does. The only machine she seems to get right away the Falcon which she has explicitly been on and worked on before. Otherwise she's good with machines but that is how she has to be to survive.
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Plus the way she says "it's garbage!" at first makes me think she's taken a look at it before, if only to say "Wow, an old YT-1300, looks like it's falling apart."
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Solfrann posted:I was completely on the side of her being a Mary Sue until watching it again. But I think it comes off to me more as she is just so constantly driven. She is obviously very smart, she has proven that she can survive as an attractive girl on a deserted planet, she just seems to always need to be moving or doing something. She is laser focused on what she wants and on making herself better. She refuses to give up. This reminds me a lot of Padme (TPM Padme, not married Padme). Honestly I felt that Finn was more interesting, and in general and I think The Force Awakens was largely his movie as well as Rey. In a large part, while Rey's role in the large series is that of Luke, I think he stole some of the role of Luke in ANH along with Poe, with Finn getting the growth from someone who wasn't all that heroic into a brave, if not fully capable hero. I still really wonder what they plan to do with him too, because it felt a lot more open ended that Rey's bit.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
You're missing the significance of the big reveal at the end. Luke Skywalker is no longer Luke Skywalker; when he pulls back that hood he reveals the ravaged visage of Slavoj Žižek and the despair in his eyes is because he has seen the galaxy once more plunged into Ideology.
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Gorelab posted:Honestly I felt that Finn was more interesting, and in general and I think The Force Awakens was largely his movie as well as Rey. In a large part, while Rey's role in the large series is that of Luke, I think he stole some of the role of Luke in ANH along with Poe, with Finn getting the growth from someone who wasn't all that heroic into a brave, if not fully capable hero. I still really wonder what they plan to do with him too, because it felt a lot more open ended that Rey's bit. Finn definitely steals the show at times. The contrast between him and Rey makes their relationship believable. They have so much in common but are so very different. Poe I have no read on yet. He's too purely flyboy/fratboy for me for now. I'm reserving judgement until his story develops more.
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Finn has fantastic chemistry with Poe but then again Finn has fantastic chemistry with everyone. I also like Poe a lot but understood why he needed to fake die for half the movie in order to give Finn his own independence and make room for some of the other characters. I wish that didn't come at the cost of him missing some characterization of his own.
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Solfrann posted:I was completely on the side of her being a Mary Sue until watching it again. But I think it comes off to me more as she is just so constantly driven. Everything about her is driven because of the lifestyle she was thrust into as a child. It's arguable (heavily) that nothing came to her instinctively and that she became proficient at the things she does in the film because of the upbringing, or lack thereof, that she had to endure. Compare that to Luke, a farmer living a relatively comfortable life, who manages to infiltrate a space fortress and rescue a princess. teagone fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Rey has talent, she has the drive...she just lacks the ability to escape. She's dope.
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CelticPredator posted:Rey has talent, she has the drive...she just lacks the ability to escape. She's dope. She lacks that ability only because Kylo Ren is such a good villain.
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She's stuck on a lovely planet and she's poor.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Plus the way she says "it's garbage!" at first makes me think she's taken a look at it before, if only to say "Wow, an old YT-1300, looks like it's falling apart." She did work on it before. She knew the interior and pointed Finn around right away and had detailed knowledge of the alterations made to it and had even told Simon Pegg that it was a bad idea.
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I still wonder what the heck Abrams was going for with the scene where Finn sees the Starkiller. I don't think Abrams is really subtle enough for it to be a hint to Finn having any sort of force power, but at the same time the screams are really ethereal and there are explosions which is kinda odd.
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I thought the screams were from other people on whatever planet Finn was on. Like people looking up before him.
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CelticPredator posted:She's stuck on a lovely planet and she's poor. She had good reason to stay 
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Solfrann posted:Also, there is an awkward amount of man-crushing between Poe and Finn. I'm not against man crushing, but its the only relationship that seems forced. What is awkward about two guys bonding over a close shave with death and then having a hug? 
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CelticPredator posted:She's stuck on a lovely planet and she's poor. The film stresses that Rey is impoverished by choice. She can leave the planet at any point, and is hypercompetent at like five different skills. The presence of the mean junk dealer is deceptive; Rey and the other characters do absolutely nothing to fight poverty, or even oppose poverty. Rey is only fighting for 'belonging', which she clearly defines as finding the right employer - moving through 4-5 fathers/employers over the course of the film before settling on Luke. The message is 'bootstraps'.
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CelticPredator posted:Rey has talent, she has the drive...she just lacks the ability to escape. She's dope.  She's got the tools; she's got the talent!
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Gonz posted:
Hell yeah!
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CelticPredator posted:Hell yeah! It's Miller Time!
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When Rey is called 'scavenger scum', her response is effectively "I'm not scum like them." The other scavengers swarm like rats, steal, enslave, etc. They have absolutely no redeeming qualities, and Rey's goal is to escape them. They have no special powers, and (consequently) they belong where they are. The bombing of their village has even less impact than the planet explosion scene(s). SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Lucas called Disney 'white slavers' lmao http://deadline.com/2015/12/george-lucas-white-slavers-disney-charlie-rose-interview-1201674262/
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So this might or might not be interesting. Haven't gotten much sleep the last couple of nights, and my friends wanted to see TFA, so I watched it a second time last night. I was so exhausted that I almost slept through some parts. But hell if I didn't ignore that and immediately perk up every time Kylo Ren was on the screen. Kylo Ren: a cinematic upper.
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teagone posted:Lucas called Disney 'white slavers' lmao http://deadline.com/2015/12/george-lucas-white-slavers-disney-charlie-rose-interview-1201674262/ What is joke???
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Hat Thoughts posted:What is joke??? Well I did laugh, haha.
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