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"Are you using our IP to make money? Yes? Stop that!" Seems simple enough to me?
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They deserve this, though I'll admit I watched the 20 minute Axanar thing for cringe purposes and surprisingly I did not loathe it.
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Gutcruncher posted:"Are you using our IP to make money? Yes? Stop that!" Well they didn't seem to care about a whole bunch of other fan movies - though maybe this is the first one with a big enough budget for CBS/Paramount to actually receive a decent amount in damages? Furthermore, what about the knock-on positive affect to Trek (and thus revenue for CBS/Paramount) as a whole that a successful fan-film, professionally done, could have?
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Gutcruncher posted:"Are you using our IP to make money? Yes? Stop that!" I don't see where buying and hoarding IPs makes you anything more than a litigious parasite, so boo loving hoo to them. If this project was competing with something Gene Roddenberry was working on, and costing him money that would be different, but it's not.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I don't see where buying and hoarding IPs makes you anything more than a litigious parasite, so boo loving hoo to them. If this project was competing with something Gene Roddenberry was working on, and costing him money that would be different, but it's not. I know I said this in the other thread (I am at post factor 10 and currently occupy all star trek threads at once) but at this point big IPs like Star Trek and Wars and Superman and Mickey Mouse should be public domain by now, they're cultural icons and anybody should be able to offer whatever version of them they can think of, even if it's total crap. As the system stands right now it's just a group of rich assholes unrelated to the original project saying they're the only ones allowed to use this idea to make money, gently caress that noise. They're only doing this now that they're planning on hocking another Star Trek series of their own. e: I mean most fan productions are really awful, but I'm glad the Axanar people are apparently going to try to fight this. Star Trek Continues has also been pretty entertaining and I think it would suck if they had to stop doing that too just because CBS wants to cash in on the nerdstalgia. Tighclops fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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DarkMalfunction posted:Well they didn't seem to care about a whole bunch of other fan movies - though maybe this is the first one with a big enough budget for CBS/Paramount to actually receive a decent amount in damages? Also isn't the Xerox/Kleenex/Photoshop issue at play here? Where if you don't bother to defend a trademark and it can be shown to be generic enough that "Star Trek" could just be like a generic term, like "watch this star trek jimmy, its got lusty spacemen in it". You could easily show that Paramount didn't bother to defend it against several other fan films.
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Maybe I'm just imagining this, but I seem to remember someone talking about how they worked in the entertainment industry about 10 or so years ago when the internet video content was becoming pretty big and traditional movies/TV were being criticized for not being as fresh and interesting as these young upstarts who were doing it all on a fraction of the budget. They sort of went on to explain that a lot of these new internet folks, though, were sort of getting a HUGE pass in the legal side of things at the time. I think they spoke about how much time and money traditional media spent just to deal with lawyers, filming permits, music licensing, contracts, insurance, guilds, etc. that internet talent was just ignoring. JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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i was going to not see 'star trek XVIIV: the search for a competent director' because i could instead watch whatever fan 'film' (lol) these spergs were going to make, but NOW i have to not watch star trek because it will be a terrible movie
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Tighclops posted:I know I said this in the other thread (I am at post factor 10 and currently occupy all star trek threads at once) but at this point big IPs like Star Trek and Wars and Superman and Mickey Mouse should be public domain by now, they're cultural icons and anybody should be able to offer whatever version of them they can think of, even if it's total crap. As the system stands right now it's just a group of rich assholes unrelated to the original project saying they're the only ones allowed to use this idea to make money, gently caress that noise. They're only doing this now that they're planning on hocking another Star Trek series of their own. To be fair Gene Roddenberry died in 1991, that means thanks to the wonderful power of copyright lobbyists those fans looking to make fan made films only need to wait until 2061 to release their film. At which point it will be one of the last things to be released prior to the nuclear apocalypse and/or robots gaining sentience and destroying all human life on the planet.
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Kitchner posted:To be fair Gene Roddenberry died in 1991, that means thanks to the wonderful power of copyright lobbyists those fans looking to make fan made films only need to wait until 2061 to release their film. True, but it's only due to the fuckery of companies like Disney that works are copyrighted for 50 years after death in the first place. I used to worry about franchises I enjoy turning to poo poo once they became public domain, but after the Star Wars prequels, the new Trek movies and just about every rock band ever letting people use their songs to sell cars/food/etc. I can't really say that something like Renegades is any more unpleasant.
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I take back what I said about Axanar fighting the suit because apparently according to the other thread the whole thing is a corrupt lovely dramabomb
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Dec 31, 2015 12:04
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Nobody cares what that other thread thinks, they have no appreciation for the virility of the Cardassian male figure.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Nobody cares what that other thread thinks, they have no appreciation for the virility of the Cardassian male figure. Or female, scaly boobs or go home
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I agree with the other thread about Axanar and I think Cardassian chicks are hot (especially the one that macks on O'Brien). What does that make me? I'd totally go gay for Garak too
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Cardassian chicks are hot because they have personality. Also  dress sense.
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Dec 31, 2015 14:35
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Well the Terok Nor girls really knock me out They leave Starfleet behind And Lakarian girls make me sing and shout That the harsh but necessary subjugation of Bajor is always on m-m-my mind I'm back in Cardassia You don't know how lucky you are, boys Back in Cardassia
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Tighclops posted:I take back what I said about Axanar fighting the suit because apparently according to the other thread the whole thing is a corrupt lovely dramabomb To be honest I never commented on it in this thread because it's loving dumb. Not only is every fan made star trek thing utter trash, somehow managing to be even more cringe worthy than the terrible movies they release, but it's obvious they aren't going to win a court case. Maybe, just maybe, if they had filmed it on a home video recorder and it was clearly lovely and made as a hobby for free and no money was being made they may get away with it. If you've ran a loving kickstarter collecting thousands of dollars then there's no case, you're hosed.
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Naxuz posted:Well the Terok Nor girls really knock me out Well Empok girls are hip I really dig those slaves they scare And the Obsidian girls with the way they talk They knock me out, tie me to a chair The Science Min'stry's girls are fertile that's right And the Occupation girls with the way they kiss They'll burn a prisoner's corpse at night I wish they all could be Cardassia I wish they all could be Cardassia I wish they all could be Cardassia girls The Detapa has the sunshine And their girls get mil'tary command Dig a tailored bikini on Risian island Kanar with palm trees in the sand The Dominion now rules this great big world And I seen their kind of girls So, yeah I couldn't wait to get back in into space Back to the cutest girls in the world I wish they all could be Cardassia I wish they all could be Cardassia I wish they all could be Cardassia girls I wish they all could be Cardassia (Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the) I wish they all could be Cardassia (Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the) I wish they all could be Cardassia (Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the) I wish they all could be Cardassia (Girls, girls, girls yeah I dig the)
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Kitchner posted:To be fair Gene Roddenberry died in 1991, that means thanks to the wonderful power of copyright lobbyists those fans looking to make fan made films only need to wait until 2061 to release their film. By which point Disney lawyers will have successfully campaigned to get copyright terms extended for another 50 years.
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Kitchner posted:Not only is every fan made star trek thing utter trash Except Star Trek Continues. I don't even really like TOS, but I have to admit they nailed it with this project.
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I just finished the first season of TOS which I have actually never watched beyond bits and pieces. I'm amazed at how many times they make the same Spock joke in just a single season. I'd say at least six times an episode has ended with him saying "why thank you Captain!" after being compared to a computer, or going "there is no need to insult me!" when they say he's acting human. The writers really love that joke. Good show though. I'm surprised at how well it holds up.
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Mondian posted:Except Star Trek Continues. I don't even really like TOS, but I have to admit they nailed it with this project. Same.
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Dec 31, 2015 16:37
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Rename the fan movie to 'Star Truk', 'Vulcarn', 'Fooderation', and 'Klongons' and Paramount can't do poo poo!
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Chomp8645 posted:I just finished the first season of TOS which I have actually never watched beyond bits and pieces. I'm amazed at how many times they make the same Spock joke in just a single season. I'd say at least six times an episode has ended with him saying "why thank you Captain!" after being compared to a computer, or going "there is no need to insult me!" when they say he's acting human. The writers really love that joke. The first season of TOS is really good because conceptually, they really were going where no man had gone before. They didn't have an especially clear idea of what the show would be about and you get to see it developing itself before your very eyes. Then, in true Star Trek form, they spend half the season fighting the god like energy being of the week and trading racist zingers about Spock while he's standing right there. Some great episodes though. It's all downhill from there really.
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happyhippy posted:Rename the fan movie to 'Star Truk', 'Vulcarn', 'Fooderation', and 'Klongons' and Paramount can't do poo poo! IP lawyers hate him! Back our kickstarter to find this one old fashioned simple trick to confound IP lawyers
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Also if a franchise just becomes really bad it should be made public domain. "You had your shot, you've ruined your own IP". Basically after Nemesis the entire trek franchise should have been pronounced dead and it's vacuum desiccated corpse given away to interested parties. JJ could have made his poo poo awful movies still, but anyone else could have as well!
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happyhippy posted:Rename the fan movie to 'Star Truk', 'Vulcarn', 'Fooderation', and 'Klongons' and Paramount can't do poo poo! Insert pornography and call it "This Ain't Star Trek--A XXX Parody". Just take a few thousand dollars and find some adult models willing to take requests for scenes.
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Dec 31, 2015 21:03
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All the fan films are so bad surely they are covered under parody?
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I just found a TOS episode where they find a post-apocolyptic society of mostly asian people who are able to live indefinitely but are ravaged by vile savages. Oh wait, the vile savages are white and revere the American flag and Constitution? They're the good guys we should be supporting!
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Oh hey this planet is basically 20th century earth but Roman. It seems about the same as 20th cenutry earth, same bullshit just different titles. Wait oh poo poo these rebels are actually Christians?! Gotta meddle and help them because Jesus was always destined to rule! And just like with earth history once the christians take over from the romans it's a quick transition to a peaceful utopia.
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Baronjutter posted:Also if a franchise just becomes really bad it should be made public domain. "You had your shot, you've ruined your own IP". Basically after Nemesis the entire trek franchise should have been pronounced dead and it's vacuum desiccated corpse given away to interested parties. JJ could have made his poo poo awful movies still, but anyone else could have as well! And then Netflix would fund a Netflix exclusive TV series and you would think it was awesome and star trek fans would swarm to pay Netflix for a monthly subscription and Netflix would never need to release their material anywhere as it's all held centrally and digitally by them. Corporations always win unless we kill and eat the rich
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Kitchner posted:Corporations always win unless we kill and eat the rich There should be a show about rocketships where this is the central theme
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Tighclops posted:There should be a show about rocketships where this is the central theme An Aliens show would be interesting, doesn't even have to have aliens in it, just explore the oppressive corporate dystopia.
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Dec 31, 2015 21:54
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Watching DS9 for the first time. Up to season 3 and this is already the best.
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Baronjutter posted:An Aliens show would be interesting, doesn't even have to have aliens in it, just explore the oppressive corporate dystopia. Yeah I could go for some poo poo like "THE WEYLAND CHRONICLES" but lets be honest it would probably be canceled after a midseason break
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Watching DS9 for the first time. Up to season 3 and this is already the best. the worst part is after DS9 you'll realize there is no where to go but down
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An Alien show that never showed the Alien would be kind of novel, but I think I'd rather do a long-form Alien story. Ten episodes, pace it like an HP Lovecraft book, with a slow burn with a rapid rush to a gruesome finish. Set it in a single location, maybe a research lab, and most of the action comes from impersonal reports delivered to the main characters, who are researching different parts of the Alien creature but are not allowed to share data with each other, so they never realize what exactly they are researching. Isolation and the rigors of their work lead to psychological breakdowns and it could end with one main character watching the security doors open up and releasing the research specimens, and he doesn't know if he's hallucinating or not as swarms of blurry alien silhouettes rush towards him.
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Real talk Odo is the best 'weird alien' main cast member the franchise has had.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Real talk Odo is the best 'weird alien' main cast member the franchise has had. He's the only one who actually ever felt alien. I always had a soft spot for Quark though, because it was good to have a main cast member who didn't buy into Federation ideology in the slightest.
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