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Why didn't one of the TIE Fighters that was blowing up the space bar lob a few torpedoes into the Millenium Falcon while they were at it? I mean, they were supposedly looking for it and it was sitting right there in the forest?
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starkebn posted:Why didn't one of the TIE Fighters that was blowing up the space bar lob a few torpedoes into the Millenium Falcon while they were at it? I mean, they were supposedly looking for it and it was sitting right there in the forest? They probably took one look at it and figured it had already been blown up.
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Jan 1, 2016 15:26
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I've seen some posts that say KotOR is still cannon or wasn't explicitly invalidated or something. What's that about?
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Jan 1, 2016 16:32
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Boris Galerkin posted:I've seen some posts that say KotOR is still cannon or wasn't explicitly invalidated or something. What's that about? The Old Republic Era like 4000 years before the PT. And Some of the planets they reference in that reference book are important planets in TOR era. I remember the Dev team of TOR saying that the movie team had to OK the trailer that they released for their most recent expansion. It's not "canon", but it doesn't really have an effect on poo poo 4000 years later. So believe what you want. Who the gently caress cares about poo poo being Canon or not. Just tell good stories.
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Jan 1, 2016 16:40
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starkebn posted:Why didn't one of the TIE Fighters that was blowing up the space bar lob a few torpedoes into the Millenium Falcon while they were at it? I mean, they were supposedly looking for it and it was sitting right there in the forest? The Millenium Falcon isn't a one of a kind ship (visually). It's a heavily modified version of a certain type of ship, making it hard to distinguish from another other corellian transport of the same type when just merely doing flybys. You'll probably need to read it's transponder signature, or whatever they use to identify ships in the Star Wars universe, to really know what ship you're dealing with. The fact that they were dealing with the Millenium Falcon probably came to light during the pursuit when the Tie Fighters locked into their target or something.
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Jan 1, 2016 16:51
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Batham posted:The Millenium Falcon isn't a one of a kind ship (visually). It's a heavily modified version of a certain type of ship, making it hard to distinguish from another other corellian transport of the same type when just merely doing flybys. You'll probably need to read it's transponder signature, or whatever they use to identify ships in the Star Wars universe, to really know what ship you're dealing with. It wasn't until they turned on the Ship that they were able to track the signal. It's why Han was able to find them so fast.
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Jan 1, 2016 16:59
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davecrazy posted:He went Columbine on the Jedi training academy, killed his father, ordered the mass murder of innocent Jakku villagers and that's just the stuff we saw on film. Guy is a literal space nazi yet somehow he's redeemable cause Star Wars. Sand people aren't real people.
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Jan 1, 2016 17:24
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starkebn posted:Why didn't one of the TIE Fighters that was blowing up the space bar lob a few torpedoes into the Millenium Falcon while they were at it? I mean, they were supposedly looking for it and it was sitting right there in the forest? I don't think that would of served much purpose to the movie
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Jan 1, 2016 17:40
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Dexo posted:The Old Republic Era like 4000 years before the PT. And Some of the planets they reference in that reference book are important planets in TOR era. I remember the Dev team of TOR saying that the movie team had to OK the trailer that they released for their most recent expansion. It matters in a way because I usually read about KotOR being cannon/non-cannon wrt to Revan.
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Jan 1, 2016 18:18
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KOTOR isn't canon, they've simply canonized some planets from it.
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Jan 1, 2016 18:28
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It's not canon, unless they decide to make it canon if Revan or whoever shows up even then they will change what they see fit.
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Jan 1, 2016 18:33
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Gorelab posted:Look everyone just has an agreement to just ignore all this Jedi/Sith poo poo and roll with it. I must say though it's still my headcannon that part of the whole reason Jedi tend to go so nutso so quickly is that the whole Jedi thing tends to teach them to suppress their emotions and leaves them with the emotional maturity of a 5 year old. greatn posted:It seemed to work for a thousand years pretty good until Anakin. Most of the Jedi counsel seemed pretty emotionally mature. Even one of Yoda's guys who turned against the Jedi was a more nuanced antagonist who wasn't just evil but rather had specific political goals. You're both right. It worked for 1000 years, but mostly because the Jedi stole the children away at a very young age and indoctrinated them then. Anakin's 9, which is apparently far too old for those tricks to work, so his fear and anger are not dealt with.
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Jan 1, 2016 18:53
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computer parts posted:You're both right. It worked for 1000 years, but mostly because the Jedi stole the children away at a very young age and indoctrinated them then. Anakin's 9, which is apparently far too old for those tricks to work, so his fear and anger are not dealt with. On the other hand Rey is able to use the force without any training whatsoever, simply because she knows about it. So why didn't anyone crop up in those 1000 years who showed some force mastery self teach or otherwise be force adepts outside of the order? The galaxy's a big place.
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Jan 1, 2016 19:00
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Demiurge4 posted:On the other hand Rey is able to use the force without any training whatsoever, simply because she knows about it. So why didn't anyone crop up in those 1000 years who showed some force mastery self teach or otherwise be force adepts outside of the order? The galaxy's a big place. I'm gonna assume that's where a loooooot of both Sith and "Sith" came from.
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Jan 1, 2016 19:01
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Demiurge4 posted:On the other hand Rey is able to use the force without any training whatsoever, simply because she knows about it. So why didn't anyone crop up in those 1000 years who showed some force mastery self teach or otherwise be force adepts outside of the order? The galaxy's a big place. "Super-power" wise, the only real Force ability which would be apparent would be the persuasion she did. And even then it took multiple attempts, and only came after she herself was exposed to mind-manipulation. Otherwise most people might not even think it was a thing unless it was explained to them as something they really could do. Edit: As a general FYI, Pablo Hidalgo has confirmed the WGA script for TFA floating around is real, and that the island planet at the end is indeed called Ahch-to. https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/682745067392471040 http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-ending/ Teek fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 19:04
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Hmm yes, let's take our break out international star and NOT have her be in the sequel. Brilliant! Not missing from the film, but more so from Poe/Finn's story-arcs.
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Jan 1, 2016 19:41
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davecrazy posted:He went Columbine on the Jedi training academy, killed his father, ordered the mass murder of innocent Jakku villagers and that's just the stuff we saw on film. Guy is a literal space nazi yet somehow he's redeemable cause Star Wars. This is the exact logic that Luke explicitly refutes in VI. Part of the point is that there is no "ledger." You're as good or bad in the moment as you are in that moment. There are only right and wrong decisions. Anything outside that (the past, the future) is a fantasy. To break it down to the point of almost-useless-simplicity: OT: good vs evil PT: good becomes evil ST: evil becomes good (probably) crowoutofcontext posted:Not missing from the film, but more so from Poe/Finn's story-arcs. Yeah this seems pretty obvious. Rey is training with Luke, Poe/Finn are on their own separate mission, Ben is searching for Rey. They'll all meet up in act III.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:02
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Prolonged Priapism posted:= Are you being purposely oblivious to Vader's redemption in RotJ? There's no way in hell this becomes a Kylo Ren redemption story when they used the first movie to make you hate him and see how nuts he is.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:05
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Dexo posted:It's not canon, unless they decide to make it canon if Revan or whoever shows up even then they will change what they see fit. Revan was going to show up in the clone wars. They even had a model for him. But they in the end decided not to have show up due to it raising too many questions about how the force works.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:08
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computer parts posted:You're both right. It worked for 1000 years, but mostly because the Jedi stole the children away at a very young age and indoctrinated them then. Anakin's 9, which is apparently far too old for those tricks to work, so his fear and anger are not dealt with. Hmm. The first order does this with stormtroopers, interesting parallel.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:19
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MonsterEnvy posted:Revan was going to show up in the clone wars. They even had a model for him. But they in the end decided not to have show up due to it raising too many questions about how the force works. Kylo Ren's outfit seems like a deliberate callback to Revan's getup. I doubt we'll see any mention of Revan directly, but it wouldn't surprise me if they draw on a few KOTOR era ideas since Luke and Rey are presumably going to be poking around ancient Jedi ruins.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:26
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Bottom Liner posted:Are you being purposely oblivious to Vader's redemption in RotJ? There's no way in hell this becomes a Kylo Ren redemption story when they used the first movie to make you hate him and see how nuts he is. No? Read my post before the one you quoted, it goes in to more detail. The part of my post you quoted but left out is about Vader, from Luke's perspective: It doesn't matter how many evil things Vader (or Ben) did. He could redeem himself at any time by choosing to do the right thing in the present moment. The same is true of us, too. Vader's (and Ben's, more explicitly) self hatred and guilt over the things they've done is what keeps them (and us) on the "dark path" - doing the wrong thing in the moment because their identities are wrapped up in the past. Vader's last minute redemption is when he forgets the past and just does the right thing. Ben's redemption (I think) will take place over episodes VIII and IX. The turning point will probably be him sparing Rey in their rematch in VIII.
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Jan 1, 2016 20:33
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Jedit posted:Why do people think everyone in Star Wars knows Ben Solo is Kylo Ren but apparently ignore the fact that in the original trilogy only four people know that Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker? Yeah, but they didn't have the internet back when Anakin was young. starkebn posted:Why didn't one of the TIE Fighters that was blowing up the space bar lob a few torpedoes into the Millenium Falcon while they were at it? I mean, they were supposedly looking for it and it was sitting right there in the forest? It was covered in tarps and hadn't been flown in a very long time so there was poo poo all around it. To a TIE pilot it probably looked like a tent. I thought the Quad Jumper they were running to looked familiar. Early Millennium Falcon concept:  Quad Jumper:  Add 7 more engines and maybe...
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Jan 1, 2016 21:06
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Krispy Kareem posted:Early Millennium Falcon concept: um  (sorry, lovely source, but you get the point)
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Jan 1, 2016 21:14
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Zeris posted:um I was going to say, that early Falcon concept ended up being the Tantive IV.
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Krispy Kareem posted:It was covered in tarps and hadn't been flown in a very long time so there was poo poo all around it. To a TIE pilot it probably looked like a tent. But I'm talking about later at Maz's place, even Kylo Ren flew down past it. hemale in pain posted:I don't think that would of served much purpose to the movie Only argument I will accept, but it's just dumb. The bad guys are always extremely dumb and have no military smarts.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:21
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e: Talking about a completely different thing!
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The landscape shot really, reeeeeally emphasized that they were ditching the Falcon far, far away from the bar. Clownwitch McSpylady specifically called in the droid's location as the bar, so they probably weren't too worried about blowing up the abandoned Space RV sitting in the woods a mile away.
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If you think a mile, or 10 miles is a long way to a TIE or a space ship coming in from orbit... Whatever, it was probably under some foliage and the electronics were turned off because Han knows to be careful
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starkebn posted:If you think a mile, or 10 miles is a long way to a TIE or a space ship coming in from orbit... It's not far at all, but why would they divert from the mission (obtain or destroy the droid in Maz Kanata's bar) to blow up ships a mile away? And yeah also they did park it under foliage. The same scene shows it under tree cover and Han tells Chewbacca to sweep the ship for any kind of tracker on it. The dismissive "whatever" you're talking about is an actual scene from the movie, haha. Only seen it once and trying your hardest to find plot holes?
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Jan 2, 2016 00:34
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Canemacar posted:Kylo Ren's outfit seems like a deliberate callback to Revan's getup. I doubt we'll see any mention of Revan directly, but it wouldn't surprise me if they draw on a few KOTOR era ideas since Luke and Rey are presumably going to be poking around ancient Jedi ruins. I think they refer to Kylo Ren's lightsaber being based on an ancient design used by 'The Scourge of Malachor' in the Visual Dictionary, for one thing. I would be 100% OK if they rereleased KOTOR with new graphics but gave everybody Lightclaymores.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:41
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Not sure if next film speculation is ok in here, but Episode 8 will be filming in Iceland apparently.
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There's very little from KOTOR that would be seen as good today. There's a Mass Effect style sliding morality scale, and the combat is your D&D 3rd edition style of pseudo turn based RPG. About the only redeeming thing is that it's not explicitly set on places from elsewhere in the series, but even then they go to Kashyyk and Tatooine.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:45
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think they refer to Kylo Ren's lightsaber being based on an ancient design used by 'The Scourge of Malachor' in the Visual Dictionary, for one thing. Ha ha. So he's literally cosplaying as Reven.
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Jan 2, 2016 00:46
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Acaila posted:Not sure if next film speculation is ok in here, but Episode 8 will be filming in Iceland apparently. Some of episode 7 filmed in Iceland according to the credits
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Canemacar posted:Ha ha. So he's literally cosplaying as Reven. I'm kind of wondering i they're actually supposed to be 'the Knights of Re(va)n' based off fragmentary millennia-old myths & legends, just that Ben naturally latched onto Grandpa Vader as his Dark Side Spirit Animal. But it's probably wishful thinking, just like I'm kind of hoping if Rey's a Skywalker her mum will turn out to be Mara Jade. I'm the EU-loving trash, it's me. 
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The new Chewbacca comic reveals that Chewie did get a medal, but it was after the ceremony. It's funny because it kinda reminds me of Hitler shaking hands with Jesse Owens before they left the stadium, and the medal ceremony being inspired by Triumph of The Will. Chewie then gives the medal away to a little girl he was adventuring with because wearing medals is against his culture or something.
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:The dismissive "whatever" you're talking about is an actual scene from the movie, haha. Only seen it once and trying your hardest to find plot holes? Back off the kool-aid buddy. The scary bad men just seemed to act so stupidly during the film I want to find justifications to find them scary other than they're literally Nazis. starkebn fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:There's very little from KOTOR that would be seen as good today. There's a Mass Effect style sliding morality scale, and the combat is your D&D 3rd edition style of pseudo turn based RPG. They made a couple more games after the first one.
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Bad Moon posted:They made a couple more games after the first one. The second one has the same combat issues, even if the morality mechanics are marginally improved. Never really played the MMO but it again sounded like a "story, not mechanics" game.
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