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Fumarole = Cinnamon roll??? Also its a very interesting design for a card IMHO and I like it. Nissa Oath seems solid enough. Card draw in a color that doesnt often draw, and the enchantment effect is probably good.
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Oath of Nissa, even if it was only a green Ponder, is still pretty good.
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BJPaskoff posted:Who cares though? The only argument for it I can form is to point and laugh at people who run off-color fetches so they can "thin" their 99-card deck. That's not why you run them though. It makes sense to e.g. run Polluted Delta and Wooded Foothills in your BR deck as additional ways to fetch Badlands and Blood Crypt and Smoldering Marsh. Just look at the mana bases of current Standard Abzan decks.
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Hellsau posted:I figured out a rule that will not only prevent people from playing off-color fetchlands, but also drastically cut down on shuffling. I could agree to this but for colour limiting, not for shuffling, which is one of the best parts of the game for me. The best effects, like a KotR search, a Rampant Growth, a Stoneforge search, or an EoT Entomb always end with a shuffle. E: I don't suppose Oath of Nissa is playable in Tron, is it? Is there any case where it would be useful over Ancient Stirrings? Other than being a loving monster and jamming Nicol Bolas in your deck. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 19:26
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bhsman posted:Oath of Nissa, even if it was only a green Ponder, is still pretty good. It'd be kind annoying if it ends up a staple 4x in most green decks (which I don't think is unlikely) almost solely for being a good cantrip, since that's usually a common effect.
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Rinkles posted:It'd be kind annoying if it ends up a staple 4x in most green decks (which I don't think is unlikely) almost solely for being a good cantrip, since that's usually a common effect. It draws a card in green which almost never draws cards. In any 3 color deck with a planeswalker it smooths out your mana a little bit. It's gonna be a staple, and if there are any "enchantment matters" cards it gets even better. E: Sigil is legal in standard for a bit so theres that Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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Jan 1, 2016 19:34
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I want to throw Nicol Bolas in Tron now, help
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Jan 1, 2016 19:35
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Bread Set Jettison posted:It draws a card in green which almost never draws cards. In any 3 color deck with a planeswalker it smooths out your mana a little bit. It's gonna be a staple, and if there are any "enchantment matters" cards it gets even better. Yeah. What I'm saying is, you wouldn't want serum vision or something similar printed at rare, would you?
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Bread Set Jettison posted:It draws a card in green which almost never draws cards. In any 3 color deck with a planeswalker it smooths out your mana a little bit. It's gonna be a staple, and if there are any "enchantment matters" cards it gets even better. Except it doesn't let you draw enchantments.
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Rinkles posted:It'd be kind annoying if it ends up a staple 4x in most green decks (which I don't think is unlikely) almost solely for being a good cantrip, since that's usually a common effect. Yeah, and Pyroclasm and Timely Reinforcements are usually uncommon. We're in a whole new world!
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Fumarole = Cinnamon roll??? Also its a very interesting design for a card IMHO and I like it. It might as well be considered no card draw at all since the actual ability of the Enchantment is so meaningless. It mostly just replaces itself, but it costs so little its not a big deal.
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Jan 1, 2016 19:39
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Angry Grimace posted:It might as well be considered no card draw at all since the actual ability of the Enchantment is so meaningless. It mostly just replaces itself, but it costs so little its not a big deal. Preordain didn't do anything else once you'd drawn the card either. Not that this is preordain. Just saying that a 1 mana draw-filtering cantrip doesn't really have to do anything else to be good. It's not like you have anything else to do on turn 1 these days.  Elvish Mystic.
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It's good just for mana fixing purposes when fetchs aren't in the format anymore.
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Angry Grimace posted:It might as well be considered no card draw at all since the actual ability of the Enchantment is so meaningless. It mostly just replaces itself, but it costs so little its not a big deal. I mean Domri rade looked at less cards, triggered off less cards, and was 2 more mana and saw tons of play. Yeah I think the enchantment effect is kind of nothing special but it DOES smooth out your mana if you're running planeswalkers. It's not huge but its also not nothing. E: mcmagic posted:It's good just for mana fixing purposes when fetchs aren't in the format anymore. Yeah basically this
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Nissa's Oath is ridiculously good and going to be a four of in green standard decks as well as appearing in modern. Buy now before the stocks go up!
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I mean Domri rade looked at less cards, triggered off less cards, and was 2 more mana and saw tons of play. What a nonsense comparison
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I mean Domri rade looked at less cards, triggered off less cards, and was 2 more mana and saw tons of play. I don't understand your comparison at all. Its just filtering, not draw. Filtering is a very good effect a 1 CMC, its going to see play.
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Rinkles posted:What a nonsense comparison J:TMS is just a more expensive brainstorm
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Uh yeah I think I was unclear. I just meant that potentially not drawing a card doesnt make it bad, but you also werent saying that so just ignore me  E: I wasnt trying to compare it to the whole planeswalker, just the effect which is still good.
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I'm thinking of building Modern Merfolk since I already have most of the money cards except cavern of souls and mutavaults. Is that deck still viable? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-merfolk-22888#paper
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mcmagic posted:Oath of Nissa is pretty good actually. I could easily see it as just a 4 of in a lot of green decks. It's probably the best cantrip in standard... It's a better cantrip than blue has gotten in like, five years.
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It's just another card like Seek the Wilds or Ancient Stirrings — probably playable, but usually nothing amazing.
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Attorney at Funk posted:It's a better cantrip than blue has gotten in like, five years. Next you'll be telling me that green gets better counterspells than blue.  Aw poo poo, son.
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Lancelot posted:It's just another card like Seek the Wilds or Ancient Stirrings — probably playable, but usually nothing amazing. It's better than either of those. Seek the Wilds costs twice as much and Ancient Stirrings only works in a very specific type of deck. It's not an exciting card by any means given that "worse than Ponder but still playable" isn't exactly giving anyone a chub.
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"That's my win!" -- llanowar expression meaning "It was probably a lousy spell in the first place."
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I'm thinking of building Modern Merfolk since I already have most of the money cards except cavern of souls and mutavaults. Is that deck still viable? You can track the meta on that site too: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/modern#online Looks like Merfolk puts up 5-0s occasionally
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I'm thinking of building Modern Merfolk since I already have most of the money cards except cavern of souls and mutavaults. Is that deck still viable? Sure, its viable and nothing from the deck is likely to ever get banned. But it has the same problem a lot of decks has, it s a fair, interactive deck in a format that rewards non-interactive and unfair decks.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I'm thinking of building Modern Merfolk since I already have most of the money cards except cavern of souls and mutavaults. Is that deck still viable? Are you very lucky? If yes, it's good. If no, I wouldn't.
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The fact Oath of Nissa can hit a planeswalker and costs only 1 Green means it's way more playable than Seek the Wilds. It's a great turn 1-2 play in standard and it's not a bad late game play since it only costs 1. I'd rather it be uncommon but it's super playable and much better than the Oath of Jace. It's also some unique design space for enchantment effects that normal wouldn't be worth a card. Getting a good sorcery effect that having a minor effect remain on the battlefield is a neat idea and I hope they play with it a bit more. Also I'd love for the Oath of Chandra to be either be 3 damage or 3 to the face for 1 Red but that's not going to happen....
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SatoshiMiwa posted:It's also some unique design space for enchantment effects that normal wouldn't be worth a card. Getting a good sorcery effect that having a minor effect remain on the battlefield is a neat idea and I hope they play with it a bit more. Theros had a bit of that with auras
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With 40 hits Oath would whiff like 1/27 games, I think that's fine. Kind of wish the effect added a mana for each Walker, but as is it's a pretty unique ability.
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I was not expecting 'a good one mana cantrip' to be a category of card in this setTheKingofSprings posted:With 40 hits Oath would whiff like 1/27 games, I think that's fine. Abzan's usually got around 50 hits maindeck, so even if you were solely cutting creatures and planeswalkers for Oaths you'd have 46 and better odds than that atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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I really hope black gets something in the Oath space.
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That enchantment is probably going to be a 4-of in a lot of standard decks. As long as your deck has a reasonable amount of creatures/planeswalkers it's good just as a 1 mana filter. Maybe it could also play well with blink effects if they're in SoI. I like extending one mana cantrips to other colours, blue can't just have a monopoly on every effect that put cards into your hand and this could pave the way for unbanning preordain at some point. Bolting on an irrelevant ability to make it a rare is annoying though. The UR manland has a cool design but seems significantly overcosted.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I really hope black gets something in the Oath space. Sorry the black one is on the reserved list. 
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TheKingofSprings posted:I want to throw Nicol Bolas in Tron now, help You're a real hero
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I don't really see the point of control finishers at Mythic. The way they design them now they're all interchangeable.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I want to throw Nicol Bolas in Tron now, help Do it.
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Glidergun posted:1UR or maybe just UR 1/4 with "2: Switch ~'s base power and toughness until end of turn." called it (or, well, pretty close)
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My main question is whether Oath of Nissa could be good in modern. The power level seems fairly close to Serum Visions in creature heavy decks and it does help to cast LotV.Angry Grimace posted:I don't really see the point of control finishers at Mythic. The way they design them now they're all interchangeable.
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