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Hazo posted:Correct. Obi-Wan rides a giant lizard while pursuing Grievous, who himself is riding an odd sort of motorcycle. While Obi-Wan attacks Grievous's cycle, Grievous completely ignores Obi-Wan's mount, and the lizard is in fact left behind partway through the chase sequence before the final confrontation. Grievous is near a giant lizard while he is fighting Obi-Wan. However, even through the most tortured analysis, there is no reading wherein you could reasonably say "General Grievous fights a giant lizard." Like in a knights tale where Heath Ledger fights a horse.
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 The giant lizard fighting the four-armed robot is some pure Ray Harryhausen b-movie insanity, illustrating simple (but nuanced) concepts like 'animal vs. machine', and so-on.
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Phylodox posted:My wife can't stand Temple of Doom, though. Because of the racism. Kate Capshaw was also annoying as hell and was all over the film, like some kind of cinematic... let's call it chicken pox. INDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY E: Speaking of racism, it would be easier to take defenses of the PT more seriously if The Phantom Menace wasn't covered wall to wall in racist cartoons. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 3, 2016 |
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Jan 3, 2016 13:28
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sean10mm posted:Kate Capshaw was also annoying as hell and was all over the film, like some kind of cinematic... let's call it chicken pox. Those are aliens that sound like they do, maybe if you're signing then an earth race YOUR THE RASSIST
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Digiwizzard posted:
At what point does Grievous fight Boga though? He's fighting Obi-Wan, sure...but nobody is saying Obi-Wan is fighting the wheelbike, so why is there some manner of claim that Grievous is fighting a vractyl?
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Hazo posted:It is okay to admit that you are wrong. You are the epitome of Comic Book Guy.txt. Oh, you didn't describe in exact detail how many fins were on Kenobi's space lizard? You must not know what you're talking about. Argument destroyed.  Also, Temple of Doom is the best Indiana Jones movie. Get at me.
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jivjov posted:At what point does Grievous fight Boga though? He's fighting Obi-Wan, sure...but nobody is saying Obi-Wan is fighting the wheelbike, so why is there some manner of claim that Grievous is fighting a vractyl? Who cares? People are ignoring the actual and correct point SMG makes about the imagery and are instead obsessed with irrelevant details. Grievous didn't punch a lizard. Ray Harryhausen wasn't involved. Star Wars can't be a b-movie, it's not even billed in a double feature!
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Jan 3, 2016 13:56
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How I feel every time a guy like jivjov posts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_FieJToFKc
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Digiwizzard posted:Who cares? People are ignoring the actual and correct point SMG makes about the imagery and are instead obsessed with irrelevant details. Grievous didn't punch a lizard. Ray Harryhausen wasn't involved. Star Wars can't be a b-movie, it's not even billed in a double feature! Who cares? Obviously you care or you wouldn't have strung so many words together into nonsensical sentences. If the discussion is about imagery, then let's discuss imagery, instead of posting bullshit "facts" like "Grievous fights a lizard" that never happen in the film being discussed. You want to draw an animal vs machine parallel? Say that grievous, a mostly-mechanical being, is riding a mechanical transport while Obi-Wan, an organic being who is in tune with the living force, is riding an organic being.
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Jan 3, 2016 14:09
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Jesus Christ jivjov ...
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Grievous loving loves fighting lizards. 
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Jesus Christ jivjov ... Not at all. It's against my programming to impersonate a deity.
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jivjov posted:Who cares? Obviously you care or you wouldn't have strung so many words together into nonsensical sentences. If the discussion is about imagery, then let's discuss imagery, instead of posting bullshit "facts" like "Grievous fights a lizard" that never happen in the film being discussed. Why are we talking about pulp b-movies? These facts are all bullshit. This is nonsensical. I want to talk about the explicit fact of Star Wars. For example, did you know that General Grievous, a mostly-mechanical Kaleesh cyborg rides on his TSMEU-6 personal wheel bike while Obi-wan Kenobi, an organic being who can access the mystical power known as "The Force", pursues him on an organic creature known as a Varactyl? This is a known fact.
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Digiwizzard posted:Why are we talking about pulp b-movies? These facts are all bullshit. This is nonsensical. I want to talk about the explicit fact of Star Wars. There you go, now you've established what actually occurs on screen, we have have a go at discussing what it all means. Discussing imagery that never appears in the film is foolish; how can any honest discourse happen if it's not based on fact?
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Digiwizzard posted:Why are we talking about pulp b-movies? These facts are all bullshit. This is nonsensical. I want to talk about the explicit fact of Star Wars. I don't remember any of that at all Do you have a timestamp?
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Digiwizzard posted:For example, did you know that General Grievous, a mostly-mechanical Kaleesh cyborg rides on his TSMEU-6 personal wheel bike while Obi-wan Kenobi, an organic being who can access the mystical power known as "The Force", pursues him on an organic creature known as a Varactyl? This is a known fact. This battle was fought on the planet of Utapau. You know how the planets in Star Wars all have a single climate, like Hoth is an ice planet? Utapau is described as a sinkhole planet. It's got lots of sinkholes.
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Jan 3, 2016 14:57
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Jivjov, he was mocking you.
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You're arguing about giant lizards and robots Jesus Christ people.
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GonSmithe posted:You're arguing about giant lizards and robots Jesus Christ people. It's more an argument over approaches to film criticism, just with Star Wars as the key textual example. Also giant lizards and robots own.
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The best character in all of fiction is Sting Chameleon from Mega Man X. He is a giant lizard robot.
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sean10mm posted:E: Speaking of racism, it would be easier to take defenses of the PT more seriously if The Phantom Menace wasn't covered wall to wall in racist cartoons. The republic was racist. Isn't that the point? Edit: the b movie analogy really peaked in the gladiator arena scene. I think obi wan had a spear?
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cargohills posted:Jivjov, he was mocking you. Oh I am well aware. I'm just amused that in his mockery he did a better job actually discussing the film than a lot of other people thus far.
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No he wasn't, he was talking like a Wookiepedia editor. There's more to film than fake serial numbers and poo poo.
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jivjov posted:Oh I am well aware. I'm just amused that in his mockery he did a better job actually discussing the film than a lot of other people thus far. "Why are people talking about 'imagery' and 'themes' when they don't even know the canonical name of the species of lizard that Obi Wan rides." A Steampunk Gent posted:Jesus Christ jivjov ...
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Grievous loving loves fighting lizards. R2 has a spine. 
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cargohills posted:No he wasn't, he was talking like a Wookiepedia editor. There's more to film than fake serial numbers and poo poo. Yes, there is. Unfortunately it's hard to discuss things like that when people persist in bringing up things that aren't in the film (such as 'Grievous fights a lizard')
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jivjov posted:'Grievous fights [a guy on] a lizard' Ok there I fixed it jivvy now you can stop spazzing out
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Guy A. Person posted:Ok there I fixed it jivvy now you can stop spazzing out Exactly. Your fix makes the statement accurately reflect what is actually shown on screen in the film.
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jivjov posted:Exactly. Your fix makes the statement accurately reflect what is actually shown on screen in the film. nobody gives a poo poo
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Welp, my point is proven. A screaming, ginger Hitler is insignificant next to the power of a four-armed robot fighting [a guy on] a giant lizard.
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That ginger mini Hitler and that speech in particular was quite chilling and memorable in my opinion. When I saw it the second time, I pulled my son out during that scene because I thought it would be too intense and scary for him.
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greatn posted:That ginger mini Hitler and that speech in particular was quite chilling and memorable in my opinion. When I saw it the second time, I pulled my son out during that scene because I thought it would be too intense and scary for him. I can't remember a single line from that speech.
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There's a new Star War out. Why talk about an old one?
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I can't remember a single line from that speech. I don't know what the gently caress actual Hitler is saying either but the image and the sound of him screaming at those rallies is distinctive and memorable. That scene lets you see Hitler with nukes.
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I was watching those Jedi Party parodies of Star Wars with friends yesterday and it was the first time in years I had seen parts of the prequels that weren't just stills. Episode 1 is ugly as gently caress. Jar-Jar looks okay in a still but the mo-cap really did not hold up (to be fair to that though, Gollum in Fellowship's not holding up too great anymore either). Comparing Coruscant in between movies is great too. The ground's very nearly a flat texture in Episode 1. By 3 it has polygons and buildings, the mo-cap on Grievous looks better, things look composited in better, etc. Also I barely remembered any part of 2 outside of the Naboo (were they on Naboo I don't remember, it's where Anakin whines about sand) scene. "Watching" the lightsaber fights made me really appreciate how weighty the melee weapons in TFA were though. Adam Driver swings around his saber like it was actually a claymore, Traitortrooper swinging around that baton like it was a mace, etc. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Jan 3, 2016 |
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greatn posted:I don't know what the gently caress actual Hitler is saying either but the image and the sound of him screaming at those rallies is distinctive and memorable. That scene lets you see Hitler with nukes. I mostly remember thinking the columns of storm-troopers looked very small and kind of pathetic, especially compared to the formations in actual footage of the Nuremberg Rallies. JJ Abrams isn't a very good propagandist.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I mostly remember thinking the columns of storm-troopers looked very small and kind of pathetic, especially compared to the formations in actual footage of the Nuremberg Rallies. JJ Abrams isn't a very good propagandist. The resistance is actually small and pathetic though. They just have a superweapon. They are closer to North Korea than Nazi Germany. You can focus on different things in the scene and get different things.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:I can't remember a single line from that speech. greatn posted:I don't know what the gently caress [Hux] is saying either The Force Awakens!
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greatn posted:The resistance is actually small and pathetic though. They just have a superweapon. They are closer to North Korea than Nazi Germany. You can focus on different things in the scene and get different things. You mean the First Order.
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