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Talkc posted:Worst case scenario: They brought family, the place is on fire, and dozens dead minimum.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Can somebody please explain why nobody in the Bundy clan was arrested in the time between the last standoff and this one? they're white
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:If you think the media is going to shame them I've got some bad news for you. The best case scenario is also the fantasy land "least likely" scenario. They are white, and have been given nothing but slaps on the wrist for other incursions. They will walk away from this as heroes for whatever cause it is they support.
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Am I going to get killed if I go and try to birdwatch there right now?
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Am I going to get killed if I go and try to birdwatch there right now? Only if you're looking for blackbirds.
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baw posted:how pathetic does your life have to be where you are willing to drop everything and go hang out with a bunch of dorks in a cabin in the middle of nowhere for no reason Well I mean if they were cool guys doing something actually good, it might be a fun time. Unfortunately they are none of that.
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baw posted:how pathetic does your life have to be where you are willing to drop everything and go hang out with a bunch of dorks in a cabin in the middle of nowhere for no reason Because you have a raging boner for power and secretly for anarchy so you could potentially rule over ruins and scraps of a lovely patch of soil. Hence why this obsession with Sherrifs being the master at a county level- its a throwback to some clan leadsr who could die and could be replaced by the strongest of the pack as long as the supply of doritos and hot pockets is sustained
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Can somebody please explain why nobody in the Bundy clan was arrested in the time between the last standoff and this one? I would like to think they are still building cases, (the FIFA one took years). i but i am think the Fed doesn't think this assholes are worth the effort. yeah this major step up in their bullshit with the occupation of a federal park/reserve. But I feel like the fed is hesatent to bring the hammer down on these assholes, for various reasons. One. because ruby ridge and Waco are still in living memory and were both super cluster fucks and everyone remembers they "inspired" the Oklahoma city bombing. Two, The right wing is radical as gently caress right now, including many major politicians, so the Feds are afraid if they go in to hard, they will star a "insurrection" or at least a wave of domestic terror attacks. Three, the nutjobs havent taken any hostages or killed anyone yet(as far as we know.) so there is no need to rush.
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Jacobin posted:Because you have a raging boner for power and secretly for anarchy so you could potentially rule over ruins and scraps of a lovely patch of soil. Hence why this obsession with Sherrifs being the master at a county level- its a throwback to some clan leadsr who could die and could be replaced by the strongest of the pack as long as the supply of doritos and hot pockets is sustained this. they all want to be Imortan joe and George Washington at the same time.
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Luigi Thirty posted:they're white Yep. Nothing is going to happen (again) because the feds apparently cannot charge white gun fetishists with crimes.
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/cnn-analyst-white-militiamen-arent-a-threat-like-black-protesters-because-theyre-not-looting-anything/ Apparently taking over a federal building doesn't count as looting it. I hope someone has tabs on whatever is in the "building". If they take something better go after them!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I would like to think they are still building cases, (the FIFA one took years). i but i am think the Fed doesn't think this assholes are worth the effort. yeah this major step up in their bullshit with the occupation of a federal park/reserve. But I feel like the fed is hesatent to bring the hammer down on these assholes, for various reasons. One. because ruby ridge and Waco are still in living memory and were both super cluster fucks and everyone remembers they "inspired" the Oklahoma city bombing. Two, The right wing is radical as gently caress right now, including many major politicians, so the Feds are afraid if they go in to hard, they will star a "insurrection" or at least a wave of domestic terror attacks. Three, the nutjobs havent taken any hostages or killed anyone yet(as far as we know.) so there is no need to rush. I really hope that they're actually just building airtight cases and not just sitting on their hands. If there are no apparent consequences after this particular incident, I would imagine that it would only embolden and encourage them to continue with this type of bullshit. It would be lovely to make it so plainly obvious that being white and having your own personal nutjob militia is the ONE WEIRD TRICK to ignoring certain laws and regulations you feel aren't justified due to your insane political beliefs.
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Luigi Thirty posted:http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/cnn-analyst-white-militiamen-arent-a-threat-like-black-protesters-because-theyre-not-looting-anything/ This is the marshal who shot at the kid and dog at Ruby Ridge.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I really hope that they're actually just building airtight cases and not just sitting on their hands. If there are no apparent consequences after this particular incident, I would imagine that it would only embolden and encourage them to continue with this type of bullshit. This is training for when Trump loses and all the hillybilly rednecks will take over election counting stations and keep them until he is pronounced president.
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Countblanc posted:This is like, literally terrorism, right? Like by all legal definitions? It certainly seems like it. No, you see, they're white, therefore they're lone wolves and their motives are just totally inscrutable and unknowable, and- *seizes and convulses wildly*
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And they don't have any Facebook selfies pretending to be a gangsta in the mirror.
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As a dirty liberal hippie, I've driven my Subaru to Malheur a few times for birds and it's definitely more than a cabin in the woods, but not much of a WACOesque compound. I'll bet  that one of these fools is obsessed with the idea of using the dilapidated fire watchtower on the hill as a sniper nest though. If anyone dies in this without a shot fired, it'll be from that tower collapsing of its own free patriotic will.Google Maps of HQ
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Talkc posted:Worst case scenario: They brought family, the place is on fire, and dozens dead minimum. They aren't going to get arrested or fined or inconvenienced in any way whatsoever. Nothing will be done. UV_Catastrophe posted:Can somebody please explain why nobody in the Bundy clan was arrested in the time between the last standoff and this one? There is no strategy, no one wants to look like they are picking on the Republicans so the Bundy Family and every other group know that they have carte blanche to do whatever they want. This will only escalate as they start to realize that they won't be touched for anything they do, period.
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Talkc posted:Apparently taking over a federal building doesn't count as looting it. I hope someone has tabs on whatever is in the "building". If they take something better go after them! CNN/ABC/etc. are still calling them protesters.
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baw posted:how pathetic does your life have to be where you are willing to drop everything and go hang out with a bunch of dorks in a cabin in the middle of nowhere for no reason "To my kids, I'm sorry that daddy won't be home for christmas"  *watches cinemax at howard johnson*
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Jacobin posted:Because you have a raging boner for power and secretly for anarchy so you could potentially rule over ruins and scraps of a lovely patch of soil. Hence why this obsession with Sherrifs being the master at a county level- its a throwback to some clan leadsr who could die and could be replaced by the strongest of the pack as long as the supply of doritos and hot pockets is sustained Yes but the underlying root cause is a variety of Mental Illness
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I like that the Sheriff is the greatest local authority except when they don't want you to seize federal property in which case *shrugs wildly*
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Am I going to get killed if I go and try to birdwatch there right now? As long as you mean bird as in flying. And not as in the English slang for women. As I hear they won't take nicely to strangers eying up their sisterdaughters.
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Alpenglow posted:As a dirty liberal hippie, I've driven my Subaru to Malheur a few times for birds and it's definitely more than a cabin in the woods, but not much of a WACOesque compound. I'll bet You called it 
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Sucrose posted:Obviously I don't support Cliven Bundy and his gang of gun-toting assholes, who are going to get someone killed, but the ranchers in question still ought to be sentenced to the jail time that the judge originally saw fit to give them, not given a 5-year mandatory minimum for breaking a terrorism statute. Yeah, is there precedent for this? A second jail sentence does seem unreasonable.
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Alpenglow posted:As a dirty liberal hippie, I've driven my Subaru to Malheur a few times for birds and it's definitely more than a cabin in the woods, but not much of a WACOesque compound. I'll bet using my decades if playing RTS video games and being a sadbrain armchair general. it doesn't even look that defensible. yeah its flat and remote and the property, and the main building with tree coverage looks like it could help, but not much. about the only advantage they have is they can see anything coming sorta from a while off. the tower looks like crap and its so out in the open that it yields no tactical advantage. Xandu posted:This is the marshal who shot at the kid and dog at Ruby Ridge. lol seriously? UV_Catastrophe posted:I really hope that they're actually just building airtight cases and not just sitting on their hands. If there are no apparent consequences after this particular incident, I would imagine that it would only embolden and encourage them to continue with this type of bullshit. I think they just want to wait them out and only do stuff if they have too or lives are in danger.
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happyhippy posted:As long as you mean bird as in flying. They won't do anything about it but post angry video updates though.
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Bubbacub posted:Yeah, is there precedent for this? A second jail sentence does seem unreasonable. Probably the best part about it is even if you don't agree with the judge sending them back to jail, even the dudes in jail don't want anything to do with Bundy and crew.
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SedanChair posted:They won't do anything about it but post angry video updates though. The shittiest, most ineffectual ISIS
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Livestream here, they're eyeing the watchtower. http://livestream.com/accounts/13464984/events/4610169 Dapper_Swindler posted:lol seriously? I guess technically he only shot the dog, but yeah... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#The_incident_at_the_.22Y.22_in_the_trails
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RedQueen posted:Also some insight into what assholes the Hammond guys going to jail are, giving death threats for decades: Oh my god, rich evans is there. Xandu posted:Livestream here, they're eyeing the watchtower. this is gold.
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RedQueen posted:Also some insight into what assholes the Hammond guys going to jail are, giving death threats for decades: Which is a reference to the book of Mormon
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Xandu posted:This is what happens when you don't shut down the situation quickly I am starting to think they are trying to do a militia version of the occupy movement. they are gonna camp there for a few weeks and then leave or get chases out.
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