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Thanks to all of you. I like the idea of Civil War because it is kind of weird to have these super powered vigilantes running round but hey, that's why it's a comic right? House of M it is next then. I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there.
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Ultragonk posted:I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there. 52 is probably the best big storyline DC has done.
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Jan 4, 2016 01:27
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prefect posted:Yeah, the best way to read Civil War is to take it not at all seriously, because it's awfully stupid. How to read Mark Millar comics.txt
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Jan 4, 2016 01:29
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The SHRA is this macguffin that to the despair of writers actually made things a gray area, so they fixed it until Tony Stark was Hitler.
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See, the main Civil War series isn't actually that bad, imo. It's not really good by any stretch of the imagination but aside from being a little bland it doesn't really do anything massively wrong either. Civil War completely falls apart and is an utter train wreck because of the tie ins. So. Many. lovely tie ins.
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Jan 4, 2016 01:44
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Ultragonk posted:Thanks to all of you. I like the idea of Civil War because it is kind of weird to have these super powered vigilantes running round but hey, that's why it's a comic right? House of M it is next then. I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there. Most of Batman's big storylines are good. Knightfall, Contagion, No Man's Land are all really good. No Man's Land is one of the best Batman stories there is IMO. The pre-reboot 00's stuff is a bit more hit or miss. War Games in particular is loving terrible and nobody should read it.
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WickedHate posted:See, the main Civil War series isn't actually that bad, imo. It's not really good by any stretch of the imagination but aside from being a little bland it doesn't really do anything massively wrong either. A lot of that is because editorial didn't have a clear idea of what the SHRA was and what it was supposed to do. It became largely canon that it allowed the government to draft anyone into the Initiative with the alternative of being thrown in jail, even though the original idea was just that superpowered people have to register their powers and that was about it. It also had probably the first instance of Cyclops Was Right when they came a-knockin' and he told them to piss off since they were already functionally registered.
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Ultragonk posted:Thanks to all of you. I like the idea of Civil War because it is kind of weird to have these super powered vigilantes running round but hey, that's why it's a comic right? House of M it is next then. I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there. I've helpfully addressed everything you need to know about DC crossovers here.
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Jan 4, 2016 03:21
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WickedHate posted:See, the main Civil War series isn't actually that bad, imo. It's not really good by any stretch of the imagination but aside from being a little bland it doesn't really do anything massively wrong either. Who could forget the tie-in where a reporter didn't think Captain America embodied his persona because he didn't know what Myspace or Nascar was???
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Jan 4, 2016 06:51
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Ultragonk posted:Thanks to all of you. I like the idea of Civil War because it is kind of weird to have these super powered vigilantes running round but hey, that's why it's a comic right? House of M it is next then. I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there. It's an older one, but I still have fond memories of the Invasion! crossover. DC One Million was, as Squizzle is trying to indicate, really great. Don't miss out on the Hitman tie-in issue.
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Jan 4, 2016 08:01
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I've never managed to figure the perfect reading order for 1,000,000, but I've also never managed to try a reading order in which it's not an excellent read. One of the most simply enjoyable works of pop-pulp fiction I've ever read, let alone one of the best superhero crossover events. You know, given Morrison's reportedly high involvement with at least plotting ask many of the issues in the event, the number of plotlines running, and the ability to read it coherently in a variety of different orders—DC One Million seems like an early technical prototype of Seven Soldiers.
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I wouldn't advise reading DC1M without Morrison's whole JLA around it. It's very 80's, and I'm not suggesting it for the tight story, but read the original DC mega-event; Crisis on Infinite Earths. Knowing noting, I found it really fascinating to be flung past basically every character ever up to that point. It got me really invested in learning the history of the company, and it's important knowledge for all manner of things from most of the other Crisis-es to Morrison's Animal Man. With that and a little bit of reading about Jack Kirby's New Gods, and you could jump into the current Justice League Darkseid War event, get all the big stakes and have a lot of fun. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 10:31
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Teenage Fansub posted:I wouldn't advise reading DC1M without Morrison's whole JLA around it. I read Morrison's JLA in trades years after the fact, so I got thoroughly confused when the One Million issues were included. They kept making references to things that happened in other One Million books, and I had no clue at the time that it had been a company-wide thing.  Doctor Spaceman posted:52 is probably the best big storyline DC has done. 52 is really, really great, and I say that as a lifelong Marvel zombie. I can't recommend it highly enough, even if you don't know anything about the main characters involved.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:52 is probably the best big storyline DC has done. Travis343 posted:Most of Batman's big storylines are good. Knightfall, Contagion, No Man's Land are all really good. No Man's Land is one of the best Batman stories there is IMO. DivineCoffeeBinge posted:It's an older one, but I still have fond memories of the Invasion! crossover. Teenage Fansub posted:I wouldn't advise reading DC1M without Morrison's whole JLA around it. Thanks everyone. I've found 52, Knightfall and No Man's Land as well as Crisis on Infinite Earths. Still looking for a good place to get Contagion and DC 1 million and Invasion!
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Ultragonk posted:looking for a good place to get DC 1 million JLA: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401233147?keywords=morrison%20jla&qid=1451938584&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 Vol 1-4 DC1M Omnibus: http://www.instocktrades.com/TP/DC/DC-COMICS-ONE-MILLION-OMNIBUS-HC/JUN130262 or TPB with just the Morrison written issues and some little bits http://www.amazon.com/JLA-Million-C...JYV0860HAMM87M0 You'll see where to read DC1M when JLA 1000000 comes up in JLA. e: These aren't crossovers, but keep the rest of Grant Morrion's DC in mind for future purchases, Seven Soldiers: http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Soldier...=seven+soldiers http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Soldier...=seven+soldiers Superman: http://www.amazon.com/All-Star-Supe...l-star+superman http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Acti...n+action+comics V1-3 Batman: http://vertigology.net/2015/01/14/grant-morrisons-batman-reading-order/ Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 21:21
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prefect posted:52 is really, really great, and I say that as a lifelong Marvel zombie. I can't recommend it highly enough, even if you don't know anything about the main characters involved. To join the bandwagon, I knew little-to-nothing about most of the characters, I loved that book. One of the few event comics I can say that about.
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Teenage Fansub posted:JLA: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401233147?keywords=morrison%20jla&qid=1451938584&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1 Vol 1-4 Will any of that ship to the U.K.? Thanks for looking as well.
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Ultragonk posted:Will any of that ship to the U.K.? Thanks for looking as well. You can check on Amazon.co.uk
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bobkatt013 posted:You can check on Amazon.co.uk Christ they have a paperback on there for over £200. Might be waiting till the end of the month to order the slightly more affordable hardcover.
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Jan 4, 2016 23:44
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Have you considered going digital?
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Teenage Fansub posted:Have you considered going digital? Yeah, I'm on it everything I have so far is digital so this won't be different. Considering I only started back with comics a couple of months ago because I wanted to see what had happened with the X-Men I've spent an embarrassing amount of cash on them. Thanks for your help.
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Jan 5, 2016 00:58
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Is this Bagley art? There are only a few artists I can reliably identify, but this looks like Ultimate Spider-Man to me: 
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Jan 5, 2016 17:36
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prefect posted:Is this Bagley art? There are only a few artists I can reliably identify, but this looks like Ultimate Spider-Man to me: Yep Bagley art no doubt.
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Maybe for a minute. Bagley's 616 Spider-Man art was the official stuff used for a while before they went to whatever generic art they used for all of Marvel's merchandise. Who is that artist? He did a lot of those "mash everyone into a picture" group shots that'd pop up once a year where a lot of the characters were just copy pasted from comics. It was the same art as those Marvel motivational posters that used to be around. That pinball machine seems to use all art from comic panels or other promotional material.
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Jan 5, 2016 18:49
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that's a dope pinball machine, only Spidey pinball i've ever played was the movie one.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:that's a dope pinball machine, only Spidey pinball i've ever played was the movie one. I think it may be the same machine you played, since it's a re-release: Clouseau posted:Stern is rereleasing Spiderman with redone art/dots in the current comic style:
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Ultragonk posted:Thanks to all of you. I like the idea of Civil War because it is kind of weird to have these super powered vigilantes running round but hey, that's why it's a comic right? House of M it is next then. I've been quite Marvelcentric what do people like in the way of big DC storylines? There's probably going to be a lot of Batman in there. FYI Civil War is probably among the most popular and well received crossovers outside of this forum.
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zoux posted:FYI Civil War is probably among the most popular and well received crossovers outside of this forum. Yea, I have friends who were lapsed comic readers who got back into comics because of Civil War and Identity Crisis. I think people here hate it because everyone acts out of character, but if you don't know how people have acted in the past they come across fine for the story.
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zoux posted:FYI Civil War is probably among the most popular and well received crossovers outside of this forum. 
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CapnAndy posted:THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT GOOD True, but I think someone trying to get into modern Marvel pretty much has to read it, it's so important to the overall stories that come after it. Madkal posted:Yea, I have friends who were lapsed comic readers who got back into comics because of Civil War and Identity Crisis. I think people here hate it because everyone acts out of character, but if you don't know how people have acted in the past they come across fine for the story. That doesn''t bother me because it's a 9/11 allegory and for many irl people in this country the same thing happened: huge tragedy, sudden heel turn. Dennis Miller and Dan Simmons come instantly to mind.
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Civil War makes a lot more sense once you know Millar really just wanted an excuse for superheroes to punch each other and the SHRA was created mainly to fill that burning need. It's not really about politics, but it sure fooled people (and other creators) into thinking that!
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Civil War makes a lot more sense once you know Millar really just wanted an excuse for superheroes to punch each other and the SHRA was created mainly to fill that burning need. Source your absurd claims please.
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It turns out my memories of it were a bit warped, but here you go.Mark Millar posted:The big idea that evolved into "Civil War" was born while Millar and Bendis were out one morning before the summit. "We were out shopping for presents for our daughters and Bendis said to me, 'I don't like the sound of the crossovers they're talking about.' And he said, 'What if we do SHIELD versus the Marvel Universe?'" Millar explained. "I thought, 'Hrmm. It's kind of interesting.' Then he said, 'I've been setting up this stuff in 'Avengers,' where the superheroes have to reveal their secret identities or SHIELD will go out and force everyone to do so.' I liked his idea, but I felt as if the whole superhero registration act thing had sort of been done in things like 'Watchmen' and 'The Incredibles.' I also felt SHIELD had been used too much. And it ended up having the SHRA and SHIELD as major factors anyway. And now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense as an Ultimates storyline.
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Civil War was a really cool concept that was absolutely worth exploring, but was given to a writer who was completely incapable of doing that concept justice. As someone upthread mentioned, the SHRA itself was presented in a way that demonstrated zero understanding of how laws and human rights work in the United States, and no one seemed comfortable with the ethical gray areas the story presented. As a result, characters who were supposed to be heroes took actions better suited to mustache-twirling villains, without the doubt or self-examination that would have made those actions interesting, because someone "had to" be the bad guy. Millar managed to portray Iron Man as a conflicted man who doesn't like what he's doing but feels he has no choice, but that's about it. That last sentence might be the nicest thing I've ever said about Millar. I haven't read the Secret Wars Civil War mini, but giving the title to Charles Soule seems like the smartest choice Marvel could have made. Who better than a lawyer?
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Madkal posted:Yea, I have friends who were lapsed comic readers who got back into comics because of Civil War and Identity Crisis. I think people here hate it because everyone acts out of character, but if you don't know how people have acted in the past they come across fine for the story. This might be true for Civil War, but everyone here hates IDC because it's a really bad murder mystery with a solution that not only can't be figured out within the story but makes even less sense once you know who did it. Chaos Hippy posted:I haven't read the Secret Wars Civil War mini, but giving the title to Charles Soule seems like the smartest choice Marvel could have made. Who better than a lawyer?
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Endless Mike posted:This might be true for Civil War, but everyone here hates IDC because it's a really bad murder mystery with a solution that not only can't be figured out within the story but makes even less sense once you know who did it. Plus the whole "we need a rape!" thing.
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Endless Mike posted:This might be true for Civil War, but everyone here hates IDC because it's a really bad murder mystery with a solution that not only can't be figured out within the story but makes even less sense once you know who did it. Of course, Ray was way the gently caress out in the lead because "Jean has no motive whatsoever, if she wanted Ray back he was hers for the asking at literally any time".
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Chaos Hippy posted:zero understanding of how laws and human rights work in the United States, Shall we make an itemized list of the ways in which the MU violates actual realpolitik?
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CapnAndy posted:That's not fair, our suspect list was pretty much down to "Ray Palmer or Jean Loring" before IDC 7. Plus Ray doesn't seem like the person who would carry a flamethrower for no reason...... I gave my copy of IC to a buddy of mine (mostly because I didn't want it anymore and I figure to give it to someone who might enjoy it), and he said he loved it because of the way it humanized the heroes.
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