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Crain posted:This is that thing where they did something like: (55% of people who voted in a poll said they didn't see SW because we told them it was SJW) X ($8 ticket price) X (Gross life time page views) = 4 million bucks? Yep, you even got the 55% right. They then go on to talk about how they've made a ~demonstrable impact~ on the film because "demonstrable" means "i believe it to be so" EDIT: Actually it's even better, the 55% answered yes that the site's writing had "affected their decision" of whether or not to see the new star wars movie, which the author assumes meant chose not to see. EDIT2: I just noticed only ~500 people actually voted in the poll ahahaha Shame Boy has a new favorite as of 05:43 on Dec 31, 2015 |
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:
Yeah, I could have answered yes in that poll, but the extended answer would be "Oh you guys hate it? I'll buy 3 tickets. and extra popcorn. And just mail my paycheck right to the living embodiment of Star Wars with a little memo that says: Because some nerd is mad about black people.". I posted it on the last page in an edit. But if that 900k unique visitor stat is honest (and it's probably inflated), that means that with the poll only getting 565 votes total, there's a participation percentage of only 0.000627%. And that's total votes, not "yes" votes. Only 310.75 people said it affected their decision. If we really take that to mean "didn't see it" then they only cost Disney ~$2500. But if we assume that the participation rate also applies to the poll, as in only 0.000627% of those 310 people will actually care enough to not actually see the movie, then only 20% of one person didn't see the film. Costing Disney a GRAND TOTAL OF [Drumroll] $1.55.
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Crain posted:Yeah, I could have answered yes in that poll, but the extended answer would be "Oh you guys hate it? I'll buy 3 tickets. and extra popcorn. And just mail my paycheck right to the living embodiment of Star Wars with a little memo that says: Because some nerd is mad about black people.". That's dark enlightenment levels of misunderstanding math. It's reasonable to say that almost every idiot who visits RoK enough to vote in their poll probably followed through with their dumbass ideology. They could have hurt Disney for $5,000 or so!
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ikanreed posted:That's dark enlightenment levels of misunderstanding math. On the other hand, it's also reasonable to say that every idiot who visits RoK is also a big enough nerd that the effect was probably more like "I will only see it FOUR MORE TIMES rather than SIX! Ha!"
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Dec 31, 2015 06:27
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:On the other hand, it's also reasonable to say that every idiot who visits RoK is also a big enough nerd that the effect was probably more like "I will only see it FOUR MORE TIMES rather than SIX! Ha!" Oh yeah. BoycottModernWarfare.jpg
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ikanreed posted:That's dark enlightenment levels of misunderstanding math. I mean, the math works out, it's just completely misapplied and useless. Either way, the wording of that poll is so bad. Even answering the "no" option could still mean boycotting the film.
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Dec 31, 2015 06:42
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Steven Pinker convinced a generation of dumb nerds that the blank slate is a Marxist thing rather than a founding principle of liberal capitalism, so why not make Rawls a Marxist? He convinced a generation of dumb nerds that scientists are a lot of cultural marxists who take the "blank slate" as their first precept, and that being racist and sexist (while pretending to be rational and scientific) was what the smart kids were doing. But then again, it's easy to sell nerds dumb propaganda.
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In other words, the models to emulate is ESR and Yudkowsky.
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:That's a terrible reading of Rawls And nobody needs to "smuggle in" the most impactful american political theorist of the last century. Merdifex posted:He convinced a generation of dumb nerds that scientists are a lot of cultural marxists who take the "blank slate" as their first precept, and that being racist and sexist (while pretending to be rational and scientific) was what the smart kids were doing. But then again, it's easy to sell nerds dumb propaganda. Also, last time I checked, Pinker stayed away from any kind of racially charged topic by a huge margin, with the exception of considering the possibility of a genetic origin of Jewish intelligence.
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Dec 31, 2015 15:08
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Pinker has the same sneering tone toward the humanities that you find among STEMlord NRxers.
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neonnoodle posted:Pinker has the same sneering tone toward the humanities that you find among STEMlord NRxers. Yeah but that, while obnoxious, is orders of magnitude more common than even having heard of neoreaction, so I wouldn't read too much into it. It is kind of interesting how the expected political valence of the "two cultures" has shifted over the last century, though.
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I once saw an NRx dude try to recruit Richard Dawkins on twitter after Dawkins did what Dawkins does on twitter for the 35th time. I recall the words, "I have detected crimethink in your works" were used. Sadly, I think it was Konkvistador who has left twitter. I did find this battle of intellectual giants though https://twitter.com/shakya_scion/status/297163156424372226
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Stand down, all, Clark is back to posting! I don't understand it at all, but apparently Moldbug was very informative in the ideas going into it.
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divabot posted:Stand down, all, Clark is back to posting! I don't understand it at all, but apparently Moldbug was very informative in the ideas going into it. I really miss when nerds were vulgar empiricists and discount store positivists. Would be better than this absurd parody of postmodernism.
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divabot posted:Stand down, all, Clark is back to posting! I don't understand it at all, but apparently Moldbug was very informative in the ideas going into it. To put it simply, he's saying that people like Palin who believe America 'just needs to go back to the Constitution' misunderstand that there is no easy way to undo progress made since 1776. No idea why he's using transition tables as a way of explaining that since only people with comp sci degrees would care enough to understand. He's basically saying "you can't drive the wrong way down a one-way street" although frankly I recommend he does, and preferably a busy one.
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Yeah, the main point seems perfectly sound, if already enough of a cliche in reactionary circles that they have multiple terms for it, and full of bizarre confusions like quote:The finally Wilson and FDR led us into the current USG4 based on the theory that North Eastern Puritan progressives knew better and needed their hands untied so that they could share their vision with the common people…good and hard.
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Someone just needs to write "genetic fallacy" on a brick and then just start bludgeoning them with it.
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The state machine thing is the absolute weirdest analogy and reading of American History that I have ever seen. Not that I didn't enjoy the target of the authors derision, but seriously, what the gently caress was that?
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neonnoodle posted:Pinker has the same sneering tone toward the humanities that you find among STEMlord NRxers. Edit: I think Pinker is exceptionally bright and makes a ton of good points though. But I also really loathe about 40% of what he does, e.g. the "dear humanities: science isn't your enemy!" thing, in the first place due to Pinker's entirely delusional self representation as a 'hard' scientist. Cingulate has a new favorite as of 23:10 on Jan 1, 2016 |
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I'm kind of surprised Clark didn't explain this as a nonlinear system, which sounds a lot smarter and quantitative and would be much less predictable than a software design analogy. Him going maverick and attacking archetypes of the extreme right early on is very predictable too. Fair and balanced, yo. The Vosgian Beast posted:I once saw an NRx dude try to recruit Richard Dawkins on twitter after Dawkins did what Dawkins does on twitter for the 35th time. I recall the words, "I have detected crimethink in your works" were used.  Maybe I'm missing some nuanced object-level thought here, but this is basically "stereotyping whites is not-even-reverse-racism, stereotyping blacks is STEM-level science" yeah?
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Cingulate posted:I'm working in the empirical arm of Pinker's field and he's basically our humanities embassador (IMO). The serious arm of our field is all about statistics and data and stuff, Pinker is all about storytelling and anecdotes and exegesis. Could you read back what you just wrote then what you just quoted and the implicit assumptions inside of that to try and notice the vein of nigh on cosmic irony that you have just started mining? Its not a "humanities" thing to work in anecdotes, and people would be less keen to see science as an "enemy" if it wasn't populated by raging arses who seem to believe that knowing what a gluon is makes them a competent human being.
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Nessus posted:I bet a lot of that fellow's audience doesn't know clearly what a non-linear system is, but does have some familiarity with software design. I'd join in on the mockery but by this point I've assimilated way too many concepts by way of D&D analogies.
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Nessus posted:I bet a lot of that fellow's audience doesn't know clearly what a non-linear system is, but does have some familiarity with software design. Also, I wrote "a software analogy is predictable" because I assume he's writing in large part for techies. Josef bugman posted:Could you read back what you just wrote then what you just quoted and the implicit assumptions inside of that to try and notice the vein of nigh on cosmic irony that you have just started mining? Josef bugman posted:Its not a "humanities" thing to work in anecdotes It's called "cognitive science", and I guess it is cognitive ... Josef bugman posted:[science is] populated by raging arses who seem to believe that knowing what a gluon is makes them a competent human being.
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The internet has accelerated and broadened aging physicist syndrome.
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Reactionary cries bitter, bitter tears over girls kicking him out of the clubhouse part 324917
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Reactionary cries bitter, bitter tears over girls kicking him out of the clubhouse part 324917 Oh man, I don't remember this dude in particular (might if I saw his Reddit un) but I was one of those moderators and while I haven't been back to /r/@ in a long while at the time it was completely overrun by MRAs, anarcho-capitalists, and open, no-poo poo fascists, all of whom were outraged at the idea that the topic of the subreddit being anarchism didn't mean there were no rules or moderation.
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Pope Guilty posted:Oh man, I don't remember this dude in particular (might if I saw his Reddit un) but I was one of those moderators and while I haven't been back to /r/@ in a long while at the time it was completely overrun by MRAs, anarcho-capitalists, and open, no-poo poo fascists, all of whom were outraged at the idea that the topic of the subreddit being anarchism didn't mean there were no rules or moderation. To be fair SA's made fun of a ton of different anarchist groups for having rules and later getting upset when anarchists don't follow rules or behave in the hyper-rational-ideal-perfect-information ways they're "supposed" to in glorious anarchic society.
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Look up the noisebridge thread sometime.
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Cingulate posted:
You know how every now and again there's work in done in the humanities by someone who thinks that quantum this-and-that or some biological mechanism is a really great concept for understanding whatever it is they are working on, despite only a cursory, misleading understanding of the science? The end result is usually insulting mush? Steven Pinker is pretty much that, except in reverse.
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I've always gotten the impression that Pinker is a man respected due to his position and not based on the validity of his views. That said, I've not read anything of his... Cingulate, you seem to respect him; is there anything of his that you'd recommend (we read) to help us consider him not awful?
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I just dropped this lady in the other thread. I can't tell if she's one or not:quote:Would men be kept in isolation like stud horses? http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems?utm_source=vicefbus Seems like she's halfway there with the rationalist denial of democracy but rejects the racist stuff.
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That's basically just purporting a toned down version of the SCUM Manifesto to see who recognizes it.
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Jack Gladney posted:I just dropped this lady in the other thread. I can't tell if she's one or not: I really want to ask this lady what she thinks about trans people. In all likelihood it's the kind of craziness that "Bug" Brennan subscribes to: these type of people believe that trans women are evil men trying to infiltrate sacred femininity, and trans men are misguided women betraying their "real" gender. In this woman's perfect world, no variance from the gender norms she assigns can exist. Either you're a girl and you're perfect and good, or you're a man and therefore must be sequestered from everyone because of your inherent evilness. Come to think of it, there's more crossover between TERFs and Dark Enlightenment people than I thought: both imagine a perfect world where they call the shots and get to remake society so everyone will march to their tune.
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TERFism is this weird sort of radical feminism where one denounces gender essentialism while also lashing out viciously at anybody else who denounces it.
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divabot posted:
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Pope Guilty posted:TERFism is this weird sort of radical feminism where one denounces gender essentialism while also lashing out viciously at anybody else who denounces it. That's another thing that reminds me of other internet groups, not so much the Dark Enlightenment. There's this idea that unless you follow exactly the group's rules and beliefs, you are an enemy. No dissent is tolerated. TERFs are extra weird to me because they enshrine hatred of trans people in the name of their movement. Usually groups with those kinds of hatred hide it a little bit, like how the Dark Enlightenment people slightly conceal the racism inherent in "human biodiversity".
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shelley posted:TERFs are extra weird to me because they enshrine hatred of trans people in the name of their movement. Isn't "TERF" a derogatory term?
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Tiggum posted:Isn't "TERF" a derogatory term? I mean, would you prefer calling them just plain old bigots?
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Wait, so what's the deal with Steven Pinker? I mainly know him from that book about the decline of violence and some talks about the origins of language. Is he into some  poo poo or something?
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