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Slime
Jan 3, 2007

RatHat posted:

Did you guys ever get in trouble for that stuff? Or did the GMs/Developers see it as emergent gameplay?

These are developers that gave players the ability to castrate eachother. I'm pretty sure it wasn't emergent gameplay but entirely intended gameplay.

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neogeo0823
Jul 4, 2007

NO THAT'S NOT ME!!

Ziji posted:

Did a certain update take out all the fun or something? Because this game sounds awesome and I regret not trying it despite having it downloaded for a while now

I remember that I stopped playing because it turned out that a lot of sensitive info was sent to the server in plaintext, and there started to be a bunch of reports of people's accounts getting hacked and emptied. I didn't wanna compromise my computer, so I stopped logging in. Also around that time, a newer version of the game had come out and a bunch of goons were moving over to it to experience the newer content.

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
For me the biggest thing was how ludicrously laggy the game was - living in Oregon with servers in California, my ping was generally 300ms or more and regularly shot up to 1k or more, on a connection that didn't regularly lag for other games. When Age of Wulin (the EU version of Age of Wushu) came out, I had better ping to their EU servers than I did to the west coast Age of Wushu servers.

FebrezeNinja
Nov 22, 2007

Ziji posted:

Did a certain update take out all the fun or something? Because this game sounds awesome and I regret not trying it despite having it downloaded for a while now

Slow death by F2P follies.
New tedious grinds, new powerful abilities that only could be bought with real money, hidden super-powerful tradable abilities (read: players would pay thousands USD to bot farmers), weak security leading to people being hacked and robbed by gold-sellers and even some players (who were never banned), more currency sinks with less possible income, bad management, slow updates, and worst of all, over a new level tier players gain intrinsic evasion bonus over people of a lower tiers, meaning no horse rules are much more difficult.

All updates and patches were applied about six months after the Chinese servers in the same exact order. No accelerated schedule for critical stuff. Meaning exploits and security breaches were developed over time and then used against our servers. Also 2FA had been entirely disabled because one user back in pre-alpha testing found it annoying.

One time, in an attempt to track some duped currency, they found one large fraudulent transaction and traced all touched accounts for that currency. With no time limit, length limit, or barriers. So when the entire office left for E3 they left a script running to search for every account traced and ban it. About a third of anyone that had ever sold anything on the market was banned for several weeks that it took them to sort it out. Tons of them just plain left.

OxMan
May 13, 2006

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FebrezeNinja posted:


One time, in an attempt to track some duped currency, they found one large fraudulent transaction and traced all touched accounts for that currency. With no time limit, length limit, or barriers. So when the entire office left for E3 they left a script running to search for every account traced and ban it. About a third of anyone that had ever sold anything on the market was banned for several weeks that it took them to sort it out. Tons of them just plain left.

I've worked with hacking reports for a game company before, and doing a good job dealing with cases like this when only 10 to 20 people are involved, following the money through the IPs of the traders and going through and checking everyone's history to determine whether they were in on it or not, then removing currency and items bought with said fraudulent money could take hours. I can't imagine having to go through a third of your playerbase like that, even with proper tools it would take thousands of man hours. To ban them all outright, lol.

Nerdlord Actual
Apr 14, 2007

Awaken to your true self with Wisconsin Potatoes
Grimey Drawer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhNPrk8auZU

Have a lemon party

Shalhavet
Dec 10, 2010

This post is terrible
Doctor Rope

RatHat posted:

Did you guys ever get in trouble for that stuff? Or did the GMs/Developers see it as emergent gameplay?

One of the few events they ran involved several GMs putting very large bounties on themselves, higher than players could issue, and then having people hunt them down for cash prizes. We decided a far better game to play would be Get Down Mr. President! and escorted them to the throne room in the Imperial City of Jinling. The amount of world messages that resulted was fantastic.

(World messages cost unbound liang, the player currency mentioned earlier in the kidnapping story)

Bonald Farndhardt
Apr 18, 2005
Ye it up
In addition to Dinnerbot, sometimes I like to roleplay as Grunty while playing Warcraft III:

Nickiepoo
Jun 24, 2013
Hahahahaha. Doing gods work son.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Shalhavet posted:

One of the few events they ran involved several GMs putting very large bounties on themselves, higher than players could issue, and then having people hunt them down for cash prizes. We decided a far better game to play would be Get Down Mr. President! and escorted them to the throne room in the Imperial City of Jinling. The amount of world messages that resulted was fantastic.

(World messages cost unbound liang, the player currency mentioned earlier in the kidnapping story)

This one's the post that I remember, what I love is how the GMs actually come to realize that the goons have made up their own game and are ready to join in. "So, where we going?"

Magres posted:

Something from a couple days ago in Wushu. On Friday night, the GMs decided to run a "Hunt a GM" type event. They used the in game bounty system, where you can put a cash bounty on the head of someone who has killed you, to put massive bounties on themselves (over three times as big as actual players can put on each other). Obviously, the pubs were all gungho to go murder the GMs and make a quick buck.

And of course, Goons simply could not let this come to pass, and became the GMs' secret service protection detail. We ran around in a big ball murdering anyone who went near our precious, precious GMs. At first the GMs had no idea what the hell we were doing and wouldn't listen to us when we told them to come with us so we could guard them better, probably making the reasonable assumption that we were just trying to bait them to somewhere private so we could easily take the bounty for ourselves. After getting a GM isolated by chance and setting up a protective perimeter, though, they realized we were on the level. GM_Scorch turns to Jerkjerk, the guy running the show on the Goon end, and says "So, where we going?"

We took our new President to the throne room of the imperial city, set him up on the giant golden throne, and held the line for a solid twenty minutes against all the pubbies trying to break in and murder our protectee, screaming battlecries for the glory of Mr. President (or Madam President for some of the female avatars). I have seen many things, I have never seen pubbies accuse Goons of kissing up to GMs. I don't think they realize that our goal wasn't to kiss up to the GMs, it was to sew as much chaos and havoc as possible.

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
Man, that poo poo is glorious.

China game sounds like fun.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Black desert sounds like its going to be the same way. I might play this one if its fun.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

McGiggins posted:

Man, that poo poo is glorious.

China game sounds like fun.
China game and Eve have a lot in common. It was often more fun reading about it than actually doing it. Eventually the developers put even more tedious grinding into a game that actually insisted you do some tedious grinding every day (team practice dances) to the point that everyone quit. I'm stubborn as all gently caress and the last grind addition made me stop logging on.

The key to goon supremacy was to play the game as intended. The developers wanted a kung fu fighting game and made every activity an excuse for people to start fights. The ruling Vietnamese junta had played on the original Chinese servers and knew all the wrinkles and so when the North American server launched they basically took it over and ran it as a bunch of interconnected fifedoms with zero focus on the games actual play modes.

Enter the goon.

Goons found china game and made a clan called Goon Tang Clan this alone was enough to make us kill on sight. Because of this goons soon found that even beginner skills and numbers in attendance could defeat even the highest levelled junta players. The hatred increased. The beggar's skills were identified and exploited. Hatred increased. Goon laughter multiplied as did our numbers. Tactics and skills were developed. Effective use of the guild combat system was developed. Fiefdoms were permanently taken over by goons. Hatred increased. We mocked the hegemony by forming a guild called Sanguine Goon to piss off people in rival guild Sanguine Moon. Hatred increased.

Even as goons left due to inceasingly insufferable grind fest the more determined goons were causing havoc by doing successful hit and run strikes on even the most heavily defended treasure convoys.

One 'feature' not recently mentioned was the character creator that allowed abominations such as:



A small sample of goon induced rage.







Whether the new one will be as hilariously fun for the unskilled anarchist remains to be seen.

McGiggins
Apr 4, 2014

by R. Guyovich
Lipstick Apathy
So did he want a fancy dance move or a goose?

I am confused and amused at the same time.

Also, what is the ding to real monies conversion? Did he pay actual money for something?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
They wanted a fancy dance move. :doh: If only I had thought to string them along about geese after the fish schtick. I never bought in game currency but 1 ding ~ $30 US. I had as much as 6 Ding in currency from trading but most people would just straight up buy it, often using Subway gift cards!

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

McGiggins posted:

So did he want a fancy dance move or a goose?

I am confused and amused at the same time.

Also, what is the ding to real monies conversion? Did he pay actual money for something?

They were both movement skillbooks with similar looking icons. Whirlwind Step upgraded the double jump skill to triple and dropped from farmable fights against easy NPC factions. Goose was a skillbook that let the player do a quick dash on the ground and was very useful for PvP, it had a low chance of dropping from the boss in the first dungeon who summoned players as assassins.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Saw this, first thought was immediately this thread


http://youtu.be/VUNRl3kAATk

Magres
Jul 14, 2011
entropia universe seems like a game made for crazy people

Lunethex
Feb 4, 2013

Me llamo Sarah Brandolino, the eighth Castilian of this magnificent marriage.
I have never heard of Entropia until that video.

Now I know why that's a good thing. EVE and Second Life were not meant for each other :v:

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I've never heard of Project Entropia. Is it even still around? Who was left holding the bag when their lovely bubble popped?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Looks like it is still going.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Yah, owners of Entropia still grief whatever there's left of playerbase full throttle.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

But it looks so dated and horrible, it looks like second life. How is that still attracting anyone, let alone such money? Or it's just tons of people who think they're already too financially invested in the system and can't stop?

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



It seems inordinately hard for free to play games to die unless they get a sequel. I never heard of entropia before either, it looks loving awful.

Anyway I didn't see this get cross posted from the Rust thread and it might amuse although I haven't been reading this thread too much so who knows.

Taylor Swift posted:


IN OTHER NEWS:

G-Mach and I (With help from CGco) spent the better part of an hour raiding a 7 story base. They didnt have a fetish chamber. I fixed this oversight.







Rust is like Dayz with minecraft elements just like every other greenlit thing on steam if you aren't familiar with it. Its not great and I don't recommend playing it but that post made me chuckle.

As I understand it they stole lots of their poo poo so the taylor swift fetish room is the cherry on poo poo sundae

Goofballs fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 5, 2016

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Baronjutter posted:

But it looks so dated and horrible, it looks like second life. How is that still attracting anyone, let alone such money? Or it's just tons of people who think they're already too financially invested in the system and can't stop?
People are not prone to change, especially if it's manchildren emotionally and financially involved in the matter, just as you guess. It dwindles, constantly, but it's not dead yet.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Rust is hilarious and I love playing it. My first run on a goon server saw me come across a dude sleeping out in the open with a poo poo ton of C4 and a M16. Took them, blew him up and promptly lost a gun fight with a helicopter.

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.
Rust is just like all the other early access survival games as in it's poo poo in a major way but will also produce good stories every now and again. Seriously, play any one of them, throw a loving rock, they all blend together.

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Only reason I remember Rust is because originally everyone didn't even spawn with pants, so it was just naked men battling for survival in the woods, dicks waving majestically in the wind.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Yardbomb posted:

Only reason I remember Rust is because originally everyone didn't even spawn with pants, so it was just naked men battling for survival in the woods, dicks waving majestically in the wind.

Er, wasn't that the whole selling point of the game? Start from nothing? Starting with pants seems dumb.

Cal Worthington
Oct 8, 2013

Serious business.
Created this when Rust goons played Reign of Kings a while back. There are some cheap laughs, but the game is awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm-X7wTg-ZY

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Yardbomb posted:

Only reason I remember Rust is because originally everyone didn't even spawn with pants, so it was just naked men battling for survival in the woods, dicks waving majestically in the wind.

And that they patched it so that your character is randomly generated based on your Steam account number, so there were a bunch of racist people whining about how they were "forced" to play a black guy.

Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009

C.M. Kruger posted:

And that they patched it so that your character is randomly generated based on your Steam account number, so there were a bunch of racist people whining about how they were "forced" to play a black guy.

They're also going to include a female model that can be randomly assigned, guess how well that went over.

Goofballs
Jun 2, 2011



The problem with all the day z clones is starting from scratch when other people can have kevlar and automatic weapons and the low rear end ttks (time to kill) in the open world so you often can and do get killed and lose hours of your progress with zero chance to respond to the person attacking you. That's what makes them exciting but mostly absolutely tedious and obnoxious.

Chocobo
Oct 15, 2012


Here comes a new challenger!
Oven Wrangler

Soulex posted:

Saw this, first thought was immediately this thread


http://youtu.be/VUNRl3kAATk
It didn't even mention the world first Twin Blades of Azzinoth on World of Warcraft. The first rogue to get both weapons sold his account for ten grand, and the account was banned a week later.

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFxEnwHiYLg&hd=1

I was gonna say this video was the best thing to come out of Rust, but upon googling it it turns out it's from DayZ, so :shrug:

Instruction Manuel
May 15, 2007

Yes, it is what it looks like!

Chocobo posted:

It didn't even mention the world first Twin Blades of Azzinoth on World of Warcraft. The first rogue to get both weapons sold his account for ten grand, and the account was banned a week later.

Oh what? :laffo:

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

And nowadays, hell, even a multitude of expansions ago by this point, any old rear end in a top hat with enough patience can get them easy just strolling invincibly through Black Temple on every reset.

Ten large well-spent.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

Feel the hatred of ten thousand dollars!

*swings*

-78 HP

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

rydiafan posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFxEnwHiYLg&hd=1

I was gonna say this video was the best thing to come out of Rust, but upon googling it it turns out it's from DayZ, so :shrug:

I like poo poo like this. Like tiny Tim one too. Just a creepy dude hanging around doing something and people wig the gently caress out.

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Mystic Mongol
Jan 5, 2007

Your life's been thrown in disarray already--I wouldn't want you to feel pressured.


College Slice

Hellsau posted:

Er, wasn't that the whole selling point of the game? Start from nothing? Starting with pants seems dumb.

The no pants made it difficult to post gameplay on youtube, which is a major part of the survival game ecosystem.

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