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GoutPatrol posted:I guess making all new counterspells rare now is going to be the standard from now on, instead of common like they loving should be. ~*Special*~ counterspells at rare is nothing new
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Brownhat posted:Except that wasn't what I was saying. It requires high skill AND high variance, and it's taken two years for it to win something serious. Turn two and three kills are incredibly inconsistent. Shoal is more consistent, especially on turn two. And if we're banning decks because they aren't fun to play against, they should burn Lantern Control to the ground first. Decks that can regularly (not necessarily reliably) pull off turn 2 kills shouldn't exist in a format without cards like Force of Will. There isn't enough interaction available to decks that might die before their second land drop, and as we saw today, a deck like Bloom going off can just brute force though removal or counters anyways. I respect what it took to put the deck together and play it successfully, but playing a harder deck than your opponent doesn't mean you get to break the format.
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Bugsy posted:Did it make a bunch of mana then tooth and nail for patron of the moon and Ob? I don't remember if it played Tooth and Nail. It probably played Patron of the Moon, because I remember there being Kamigawa cards I had never heard of outside of Azusa. It's been three years, so I don't remember the deck list.
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Skyl3lazer posted:If this translation is correct, wowzers. As a Japanese speaker, can confirm translation is accurate.
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Cernunnos posted:So black potus has to post with proper punctuation from now on? I believe it has to make 2 more top 8s for me to win.
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I guess I just don't see the scenario where either of the upsides are worth it costing 2UU baseline.
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Only really useful in a counter war, so I guess it's a potential sideboard option?
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Counterflux was barely played in standard and this is much worse.
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Angry Grimace posted:I guess I just don't see the scenario where either of the upsides are worth it costing 2UU baseline. 2UU Counter has been playable in the past. That upside makes it pretty tantalizing.
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 Strictly better than this guy. Also, this card is one color, not two, so entirely different from Counterflux.
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Ramos posted:
And no one played Last Word. Last Word that's better once in a blue moon isn't much of an improvement.
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Uncounterability isn't very likely to be relevant very often and saving one mana over Scatter isn't that great if you already have the mana to do something else that turn that's relevant. Control decks right now aren't playing 12 counterspells to begin with and Scorn is dramatically superior. Even if you're not playing Dragons I don't know why you would pick this over Scorn or Clash of Wills. This seems like a one-of sideboard card, if that.
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Playing two spells in a turn isn't a once in a blue moon occurrence.
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whydirt posted:Playing two spells in a turn isn't a once in a blue moon occurrence. Saving one mana on a spell when you can afford two doesn't seem great when you have to spend 1 extra every other time you want to use the spell
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whydirt posted:Playing two spells in a turn isn't a once in a blue moon occurrence. It is when it's on your opponent's turn, which is generally where you want to be for a counterspell.
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What possibly could the 4 of "NOT YET REVEALED ENCHANTMENT" in Stoddard's FFL blue red control deck be!? Chandra's Oath? http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/role-finishers-2016-01-01 Worth noting that there doesn't seem to be a good reason to be playing Crumbling Vestige in that deck, considering the known cards Rinkles fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Overwhelming denial seems pretty good when played along with other blue instant speed effects on turn 4 or later. Slaughter Pact and some NPH instants could also be a reasonable enabler for it.
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The main issue with that is that Legacy has better counterspells (literally, counterspell), Modern has yet to find any kind of counterspell oriented deck, and Standard doesn't have any good enablers.
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Reprint mental misstep imo
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It'd be poo poo useless in this meta.
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GeneX posted:Reprint mental misstep imo Do people even play anything with CMC 1 these days in Standard outside of burn spells?
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Ramos posted:It'd be poo poo useless in this meta. I mean, it was more an example of the type of environment that card would need to even see any play whatsoever, but yeah standard is pretty much all at CMC 2 or higher right now
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Did Rosewater or anyone ever explain why prowess was absent from BFZ? (Hope it's in gatewatch)
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Madmarker posted:I highly doubt, and truly hope this isn't the case. They should just remove 8th edition from Modern, it makes no sense that the first Modern set is entirely reprints from older sets. The frame argument doesn't really hold when they print new-border sets which are not Modern-legal every year, plus 8th looks terrible so everyone uses the old versions anyway. You'd also lose Boil, Hibernation, Merchant Scroll and City of Brass but I don't think any of those are great losses
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TheKingofSprings posted:It is when it's on your opponent's turn, which is generally where you want to be for a counterspell. It seems like a protective counterspell. This is like the third "control mirror" card we've seen, did WOTC think control would somehow be dominating?
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I don't know. I don't like the idea of spending another card expressly in order to trigger Surge. I guess it's best use is on enemy instants at the end of your turn? Not crazy about it.
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it's best use is in a control mirror, because while surge is theoretically useful, the actual important part of it is "can't be countered".
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Seems weird. I would have thought the advantage of an uncounterable counter is that you don't have to fight a war over some spell. I guess you could use it to protect your own stuff but that makes the uncounterable part less relevant.
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You can serum visions on your t3 then counter their clique or exarch/pestermite or w/e and be okay. I guess mana leak works the same there with less color requirements but this has better late game applicability compared to leak. I don't think it'll shake any format to its core or anything but I like it and I'll pick up a playset.
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 and  Embodiment of Insight 4G Creature - Elemental Vigilance Land creatures you control have vigilance. Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may have target land you control become a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste until end of turn. It's still a land. 4/4
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Frozen_flame posted:
The first one is a less interesting vile redeemer which I did a double take of because I thought it was the same card.
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Sifter of Skulls looks great, a nice upgrade on Pawn of Ulamog that I'm sure will find a home in Aristocrat builds. Embodiment I'm not sure, probably a great limited card, not sure about constructed, it might be good to be able to keep the mana open like that. Probably works best with hefty awakened lands. Looks like Gx awaken might work in the new limited? Edit: "Vile Redeemer" returns nothing on a search, could you check the name? BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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BizarroAzrael posted:Edit: "Vile Redeemer" returns nothing on a search, could you check the name? http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/vile-redeemer/
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Ah, thought they were talking about an older card.
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Wonder if that will make the mono black devoid modern deck that I don't understand yet.
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This is getting loving ridiculous.
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Why did serra's sanctum spike I wonder? 1 more sanctum is the last card i need to finish enchantress 
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Seems to only be Antiquities Gargant Triskelion, the 4th ed and Modern frame version are all still 20 cents.
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You see, this is actually good for the game because value is good and we shouldn't have needed cards reprinted as commons the way YGO does.
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