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rudatron posted:Absolutely not - the threat of lethal force is the appropriate response to non-compliance, and in fact is what police officers are supposed to do. If you resist arrest or attempt to escape custody (in cases where you are armed and violent) for example, you're not technically using lethal force, but the use of lethal force against you is still acceptable. Uuh, no? That's not actually the law? quote:Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."[2] Officers can only "escalate" to deadly force where the suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm, which is not the case for most criminals.
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Lycus posted:What sort of wildlife are currently at the refuge? Just so I know what they'll be eating until they run out of ammo. It's all brush and grass land, so maybe some birds.
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GreenNight posted:It's all brush and grass land, so maybe some birds. supposedly some deer around since thats what the assholes they are there claming to represent were poaching, but actually shooting them just adds to the laundry list of charges they have started building for themselves.
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Spaceman Future! posted:supposedly some deer around since thats what the assholes they are there claming to represent were poaching, but actually shooting them just adds to the laundry list of charges they have started building for themselves. They'd deer to kill the President's dare?
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What if Trump attempts to mediate the situation, to appear even more presidential?
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Gravel Gravy posted:They'd deer to kill the President's dare? 
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Nonsense posted:What if Trump attempts to mediate the situation, to appear even more presidential? I don't think anyone can appear presidential by taking these chucklefucks seriously but it's definitely the sort of headline grab that would tempt the Trump.
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Gravel Gravy posted:They'd deer to kill the President's dare? I deersay, this pun is too deerly needed for this thread, my dear.
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Cythereal posted:See the militia's rhetoric in this case. They like and support sheriffs so long as the sheriffs support the militia, and will turn on them without hesitation or regret if the local law enforcement opposes the militia. Typically they like and support sheriffs because the sheriffs support whatever issues they're all on about (or can easily be induced to do so). It's easy for, say, a rich well-connected major local landowner to influence local authorities into favoring them, whereas federal authorities require much bigger connections. It's a lot easier to go to the same yacht club as a local police chief or town councilman than it is to go to the same yacht club as the director of the FBI or a US senator. Their "good old boys" network simply doesn't extend to federal authorities, so while they can easily convince local authorities to look the other way or convert all punishments to gentle wrist-slapping, they don't get jack poo poo from the feds - and it infuriates them, because they're so used to being untouchable feudal lords around town and hate being reduced to normal people who have to follow the same rules as everyone else. Hell, that's exactly what they're pissed about in this case in particular - a local judge and jury outright ignored mandatory sentencing requirements written into the law and gave them a slap on the wrist because "well, they're pillars of the community and didn't actually kill anyone", but higher courts overturned that verdict as illegal. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Maybe we're thinking of this the wrong way. Did it? I know many Occupy groups were left alone until it petered out on its own a year or so later. Several Occupy movements in major metropolitan areas were busted, like the ones in NYC and Chicago, but there's an important distinction there - those were typically in major areas of the city and busted by local police. The incentives there are different - mayors don't generally have the patience to watch protest marches through the middle of downtown every day for months on end, and local police departments are generally reluctant to be seen as sitting on their thumbs and ignoring something that's annoying rich white people who work in the area. The federal government, on the other hand, doesn't really care - they're more than happy to close the place for a couple months and sue the ranchers later for any losses. In the meantime, they can just blame the ranchers for the place being closed, which will erode their support in the local area.
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Cross post from the pic thread Supposedly found on the Bundy Ranch FB page  The Daniel Brewer in question DO NOT LINK TO PEOPLE'S FACEBOOK PROFILES THANK YOU --- MGMT Look at that thug flashing his crazy gang signals! What a deplorable culture of violence that produced him Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Scratch Monkey posted:Cross post from the pic thread He's got this on his Facebook page, I don't think he's such a bad guy. 
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Scratch Monkey posted:Cross post from the pic thread Hell, that's believable. I've known a fundy republican in the past that bitched about moochers on government funding while his whole household was kept up by his dad's government funding checks and blamed Obama for taking away his job as a paper delivery man because people were being forced to get their news from the internet. Clods like these are simply too stupid to survive on their own. That's why they herd together for stupid poo poo like this Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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SocketWrench posted:Hell, that's believable. I've known a fundy republican in the past that bitched about moochers on government funding while his whole household was kept up by his dad's government funding checks and blamed Obama for taking away his job as a paper delivery man because people were being forced to get their news from the internet. Clods like these are simply too stupid to survive on their own. That's why they herd together for stupid poo poo like this They're people who want things to go back to The Time When Things Were Good And Made Sense. They've been left behind in a rapidly changing world - culturally, technologically, economically - and are trying to reassert some measure of control and power over their lives in the only way they feel is open to them. Someone must be to blame, to them, and this group has chosen the US federal government. This is a large part of what leads men to abuse their families. Remove the technological bit and I think you've also got the fundamental animus behind most mass shooters and the like.
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I just want to say I love this so much because it's basically the old seaseading/citadel/Reddit-isle fiction threads come true.
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rudatron posted:An officer is expected to use the appropriate level of force to overcome resistance - that means they have a 'right' to escalate, something normal citizens don't have. That's why they're the police. That's obviously not justifying pointless killing, or using more force that is appropriate, but you are dead wrong if you think that lethal force can only be used in response to lethal force. That's not how it works. Interesting. Am an American whos been overseas for a long time and it didnt feel like that many places, that whole right to escalate thing. Seems kinda brutish
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Rubber Tucky posted:He's got this on his Facebook page, I don't think he's such a bad guy. i sorta agree with that one. less terrible rich assholes with dumb problems shows, and more henry winkler.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Cross post from the pic thread Maybe you should not post people's personal Facebook pages in this thread?
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Who What Now posted:Maybe you should not post people's personal Facebook pages in this thread? Yeah, let's not shame these guys publicly attaching their names to statements on open facebook pages. That would be rude.
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Astrofig posted:All hail the y'allQueda yeehaw'dists!
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Jesus loving christ, some of you people itt are just as bad as the people you so vehemently hate. Dont post peoples facebooks.
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The federal government will probably do nothing about this, and in a couple of months Vanilla ISIS will set fire to the place and surrounding area and flee. They'll then blame the government for another Waco-like incident and the conspiracy theories will fly.
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Captain Monkey posted:Yeah, let's not shame these guys publicly attaching their names to statements on open facebook pages. That would be rude. Unless something's changed I'm pretty sure harassing people IRL via the forums, even indirectly through Facebook, isn't kosher. And it's probably best not to give some idiot here the temptation. But, eh, whatever, I'm not gonna hound you on this or anything.
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:Jesus loving christ, some of you people itt are just as bad as the people you so vehemently hate. Dont post peoples facebooks. How is it goons fault people post stupid poo poo on their public facebook page.
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Shaming idiots who want to kill people in the name of retarded libertarian 3%er/Oathkeeper bullshit is cool and good.
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It's pretty funny watching some of the same people who gasp in horror at every single police shooting in the cop thread crying for the death of these guys.
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It seems like the Oregon building seizure has been a top news story even here on the local news. The "overthrow the county and federal government and hope to spark a movement nationwide" has been getting a lot of play too. So, tell me again: how is this not treason? They are literally declaring overthrow of the government.
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-Troika- posted:It's pretty funny watching some of the same people who gasp in horror at every single police shooting in the cop thread crying for the death of these guys. Just so people understand what you are saying very clearly. You are equating people getting angry over unarmed and sometimes completely innocent people getting killed by cops to a group of armed militia men who have threatened to kill any cops who try to stop them from breaking the law. Just want to make sure everyone sees your post for what it is.
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-Troika- posted:It's pretty funny watching some of the same people who gasp in horror at every single police shooting in the cop thread crying for the death of these guys. Being wrongly killed for no reason =/= Being killed for threatening government workers with guns I have family in the BLM and if this poo poo actually got hot I would absolutely want these idiot revolutionaries drone striked because it would be nice if my relatives didn't get shot by some hillfolk.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:It seems like the Oregon building seizure has been a top news story even here on the local news. The "overthrow the county and federal government and hope to spark a movement nationwide" has been getting a lot of play too. On Fox News some lady tried to argue that its not terrorism/treason/whatever because they "just happen to have guns" so they're just doing the same thing as Occupy Wallstreet, or the unions in Wisconsin, or #BLM. Just, you know, they have guns surgically attached to their hips so they "happen" to be there. It was absurd but she was debating Alan Colmes, so you know.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:So, tell me again: how is this not treason? They are literally declaring overthrow of the government. Treason in the US is specifically: quote:Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort This is better described as sedition. quote:If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. Joementum fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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-Troika- posted:some of the same people Who are these people, specifically? Can you even link to anything at all to back that claim up?
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-Troika- posted:It's pretty funny watching some of the same people who gasp in horror at every single police shooting in the cop thread crying for the death of these guys. I ejaculate euphorically at every single police shooting and I will ejaculate euphorically when these terrorists get theirs too.
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:Jesus loving christ, some of you people itt are just as bad as the people you so vehemently hate. Dont post peoples facebooks. yeah who would ever post people's dumb statements from across the internet on something awful, of all places
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Joementum posted:Treason in the US is specifically: Alrighty, thanks for the clarification, my bad. But the premise still stands: how is this not sedition? E: actually, now that I think about it, could you be tried for treason under the "giving Aid and Comfort" clause, if, say, you were a doctor with Doctor Without Borders and gave medical aid to a member of the Taliban/al-Qaeda/ISIS/etc? This is an actual question, not a rhetorical one. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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-Troika- posted:It's pretty funny watching some of the same people who gasp in horror at every single police shooting in the cop thread crying for the death of these guys. One would think the whole threatening to KILL anyone who tries to stop them thing would be a pretty important detail in changing people's opinions on the two matters.
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Alrighty, thanks for the clarification, my bad. It is!
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  look at this moron.(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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For the record, I would prefer if no one got killed and everyone involved gets lots of jail time. However, IF some of these mouth breathers happened to get killed, well I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
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Mr Interweb posted:One would think the whole threatening to KILL anyone who tries to stop them thing would be a pretty important detail in changing people's opinions on the two matters. white people don't mean it when they say theyre going to kill you, you know theyre going to kill you when they tell you to drop the hairbrush. DUH. Personally Im glad we have these brave renegades securing our federal land, just as I am now much more secure in movie theaters and schools now that the scum has been scared away from them.
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