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ImpAtom posted:No. It's a Compile Heart game and the kindest thing you can say about them is that they can be played. omega quintet has a pretty good combat system imo, and the music is pretty good, but nothing else about it stands out
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Forest Thief Pud posted:It's the worst controlling game since Vesperia, and combat in general feels incredibly stiff even compared to the battle engine used in Symphonia and the like, with options like dodging taking away actions in your chain and being limited to only four actions period unless you burn a BG to extend it midway through or play around with the annoying equipment skill system to give yourself combo extension skills. Also, it's probably the one game in the franchise that favors having you play as the main character the most since probably Legendia(although unlike Legendia, you don't miss out on an important core mechanic entirely for doing so), and one of the characters pretty much exists to actively hamper you because of one of the gimmicks surrounding party composition.
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davidHalestorm posted:Well, there's Rogue Galaxy. Even though, it is a re-mastered PS2 game from 2005 and it cost 15 bucks, I am currently enjoying it. It's basically Star Wars the JRPG Unfortunately, I've still got my PS2, along with pretty much all the PS2-era RPGs I'd ever want, including Rogue Galaxy.  At this point I should probably just pick up a PS3 for cheap so I can finally play all the exclusives I've missed out on.
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Ciaphas posted:I've been going through the last dozen pages looking for opinions on Tales of Zestiria 'cos I'm bored and haven't played a Tales since Vesperia--thoughts, anyone?--and stumbled on I haven't played a ton of Tales games, but Zestiria is hands down the worst. The story line feels half assed, with huge plot holes and continuity errors towards the end. It feels rushed, and large parts of the game have clearly been removed. The systems they establish early for how the world is supposed to work quickly just disappear, and the equipment system actually felt like it was punishing me for getting a new piece of gear. I would suggest that you not waste your time with it.
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Jan 4, 2016 18:57
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zestiria is like the 4th or 5th best tales game, easily
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Jan 4, 2016 18:59
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Endorph posted:zestiria is like the 4th or 5th best tales game, easily this man gets it. it has some faults but it is still better than most tales games
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Jan 4, 2016 19:02
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I really, really like Zestira but in the context that I haven't played a tales game since Abyss. Trying out the ps3 exclusives, I'd maybe put it at 6th at best.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:04
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I really liked Zestiria but it is basically a Tales of Graces without the F or Xillia without Xillia 2. The game really needed a remaster or follow up.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:10
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Rascyc posted:I really liked Zestiria but it is basically a Tales of Graces without the F. The game really needed a remaster.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:11
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I can't say Zestiria's anywhere near one of the best Tales games, since the combat just felt way too stiff and rigid unless you went really deep into the god awful equipment enhancement system. After a bunch of games where you can pretty much go wild with the battle system after a little bit of time and work, being limited to 4 actions in a chain before being told to sit there and wait a second or two is frustrating, which held true even after 30 hours and it never felt like that aspect was ever going to change unless you spent time grinding for special equipment bonuses.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:21
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zesty's combat was cool if you focused on what it was actually about (juggling elemental weaknesses)
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Jan 4, 2016 19:22
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All you need to do is stack 4 of any skill to get an instance of exceed, it's not exactly rocket surgery and only a bit of progress is needed for your first one. The second one you might have to think about and use the in game search tool. You can basically ignore everything else about the item system unless you increase the difficulty. And even then you can ignore about 90% of the skills.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:37
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The system for Zestiria is easy enough, it's just presented in a way that's much more complicated than it actually it. That and it limits your customization a bit.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:12
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What's a recommended starting point for Tales if I've never been able to play much of one in the past? I tried to muscle my way through Tales of Phantasia because I really wanted to play them in order but that seems like... a distinctly bad idea.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:48
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MockingQuantum posted:What's a recommended starting point for Tales if I've never been able to play much of one in the past? I tried to muscle my way through Tales of Phantasia because I really wanted to play them in order but that seems like... a distinctly bad idea. Anything past Vesperia or Abyss. The older ones before that are basically unplayable due to a lack of quality of life enhancements / terrible 2d battle system.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:49
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MockingQuantum posted:What's a recommended starting point for Tales if I've never been able to play much of one in the past? I tried to muscle my way through Tales of Phantasia because I really wanted to play them in order but that seems like... a distinctly bad idea. the two id recommend the most are: graces f: has a slow start but once it gets going the combat is amazing. the plot is really bad but not offensively so or needlessly complicated or anything, it's just really simple and really dumb. but the characters are pretty funny and bounce off each other decently. xillia: has pretty good combat, an okay story, pretty good characters, and pretty decent humor. that said it has a pretty rushed third act. just pick which of those sounds best to you.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:51
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Play Vesperia and then stop because every loving tales game is the exact same goddamn thing with a new coat of paint.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:53
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Endorph posted:there's no definitive best game, they all have their own ups and downs. Counterpoint: I think Abyss is terrible, especially in plot. The game throws dozens of nonsense terms at you, the characters are all either unlikeable twats or stupid idiots, and except the subquests are near-impossible to find (though I suppose that's par for the course in almost any Tales game).
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Zaggitz posted:Play Vesperia and then stop because every loving tales game is the exact same goddamn thing with a new coat of paint. and even if you were going with that argument vesperia has some of the worst combat in the series Morpheus posted:Counterpoint: I think Abyss is terrible, especially in plot. The game throws dozens of nonsense terms at you, the characters are all either unlikeable twats or stupid idiots, and except the subquests are near-impossible to find (though I suppose that's par for the course in almost any Tales game). 'fonon' is the word for magic. congrats youve figured out every single 'nonsense term' in abyss.
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MockingQuantum posted:What's a recommended starting point for Tales if I've never been able to play much of one in the past? I tried to muscle my way through Tales of Phantasia because I really wanted to play them in order but that seems like... a distinctly bad idea. Yeah, you're gonna get so many conflicting opinions. I liked all of the ones I played, but I especially enjoyed Vesperia. I liked Destiny 2/Eternia and Phantasia, too, but I thought their encounter rates were way too astronomically high, and Phantasia's final dungeon is... calling it a nightmare is an understatement.
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The White Dragon posted:Yeah, you're gonna get so many conflicting opinions. I liked all of the ones I played, but I especially enjoyed Vesperia. I liked Destiny 2/Eternia and Phantasia, too, but I thought their encounter rates were way too astronomically high, and Phantasia's final dungeon is... calling it a nightmare is an understatement. Heh and it's because of this that I ask this question about every year and a half, get overwhelmed by choice, say 'well gently caress if there's no agreement on one that's good for beginners maybe none of them really are all that great' and play anything else I have handy.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:00
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Can't say I've ever not enjoyed a Tales game I've played, even the older ones. Though none of them are perfect either.
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MockingQuantum posted:Heh and it's because of this that I ask this question about every year and a half, get overwhelmed by choice, say 'well gently caress if there's no agreement on one that's good for beginners maybe none of them really are all that great' and play anything else I have handy. Xillia, then graces f, then Xillia 2. Then stop because you just played the 3 best tales games.
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the reason there's no consensus on which ones are great is because there's been like 4 tales dev teams over the years, tagging out at various points. it isn't really like, say, dragon quest, where it's iterative, its a bunch of different RPGs with different strengths and weaknesses where the main things shared are skits and real-time combat.
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Endorph posted:the reason there's no consensus on which ones are great is because there's been like 4 tales dev teams over the years, tagging out at various points. it isn't really like, say, dragon quest, where it's iterative, its a bunch of different RPGs with different strengths and weaknesses where the main things shared are skits and real-time combat. Yeah, this. Different Tales games excel in different areas. Many people will say Graces F has the best combat for example but also one of the weaker stories.
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I really need to finish Vesperia, I got all the way up to the last dungeon and just... stopped.
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Sakurazuka posted:I really need to finish Vesperia, I got all the way up to the last dungeon and just... stopped. xillia's setting up a teleport maze only to just give up on it immediately was hilarious though
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Endorph posted:the reason there's no consensus on which ones are great is because there's been like 4 tales dev teams over the years, tagging out at various points. it isn't really like, say, dragon quest, where it's iterative, its a bunch of different RPGs with different strengths and weaknesses where the main things shared are skits and real-time combat. Ah that's helpful to know, and explains some of the wildly varying opinions. I guess I'll just take a chance on whichever one sounds or looks interesting out of the recommendations.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Anything past Vesperia or Abyss. The older ones before that are basically unplayable due to a lack of quality of life enhancements / terrible 2d battle system. I loved Tales of Phantasia in the SNES back in the day
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I've played my fair share of JRPGs but the Tales series is one of the big ones I've never even touched. Too many game series and not enough hours in this world.
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tales is really good if you're a japanese woman aged 13-40 who wants to admire a bunch of cute boys
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or if you like wacky scientist girls...
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Davincie posted:or if you like wacky scientist girls... rita isn't that wacky
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There's iteration, but there's like 4 different variants of iteration and then just giving up and throwing poo poo into a pot when they stopped having multiple dev teams. I'd say just try a bunch and see what you like. If it's just a matter of wanting to try them cheaply, then Vesperia is like $15 on Xbox Live and I imagine Symphonia will be like $20 on Steam when it comes out. The PS3 ones go on sale digitally often enough. Don't bother with spinoffs and portable ones before Hearts on the DS. And even Hearts has the remake on the Vita (which actually got translated).
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So since I'm getting NieR at last should I actually try those Drakengard games? I just don't understand how this guy made precisely one good game out of...4? And itdoesn't even sound like anything is particularly different. The bits and pieces I've picked up on conversations here and in TDI threads is that the guy is a fan of GRIMDARK or rather grim derp where everything sucks just because and congratulations you doomed the world what a great twist.
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Endorph posted:tales is really good if you're a japanese woman aged 13-40 who wants to admire a bunch of cute boys who is the cutest boy? keele imo
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Nier is honestly not a great game. It's an interesting game. All of them are interesting games. The reason people are excited about Nier 2 is that it is the first that has a real chance of being a good game.
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Nier's an okay game.
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Nier is a very good game
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NikkolasKing posted:The bits and pieces I've picked up on conversations here and in TDI threads is that the guy is a fan of GRIMDARK or rather grim derp where everything sucks just because and congratulations you doomed the world what a great twist. Watch and learn from the master himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD6xCLlF5dY
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