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Judge Schnoopy posted:I'm almost 100% certain that vacation time is required to be paid out, since it was earned during the time of employment as a contracted benefit. Vacation time isn't something they can hand out if you take it, it's reserved pay for hours worked that you can take instead of coming in to work. Not in Texas it's not. We don't pay out unused vacation or sick time when someone leaves.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I'm almost 100% certain that vacation time is required to be paid out, since it was earned during the time of employment as a contracted benefit. Vacation time isn't something they can hand out if you take it, it's reserved pay for hours worked that you can take instead of coming in to work. Totally depends on the state because that isn't covered by the feds. In Texas they are only obligated to pay for 3 days of PTO that is unused.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I have a big closet if you guys want to live here and experience the value of actual labour laws Here is another few fun facts about America: Salary workers in a non-management roll get no overtime, even at 60+ hours a week. No mandatory minimum allotment of maternity leave at all for mothers. We are the only first world country ON EARTH to not have this. No mandatory minimum allotment of vacation days. No mandatory minimum allotment of sick days either, and you can be fired for being sick.
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Methanar posted:Because an employee often has dependents and financial commitments that were made with the expectation of a stable income. Typically you are able to mitigate the risk by having actual marketable skills. Dark Helmut fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Dark Helmut posted:Typically you are able to mitigate the risk by having actual marketable skills. This. I have never had any of those problems.
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Curious, at what point in ones career may one negotiate things like severance packages?
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Tab8715 posted:Curious, at what point in ones career may one negotiate things like severance packages? D/V/C levels in general.
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Tab8715 posted:Curious, at what point in ones career may one negotiate things like severance packages? "Hi, boss. What kind of parachute can I get if I bail or you fire me?" I'm pretty sure only the ones ruling the roost get that kind of negotiation without being laughed at/shown the door. ^^^ What Ratbert said.
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For sure US labor laws could be better, but labor laws are a minimum, not a maximum. Just because someone can do something, doesn't mean that, in practice, they will.
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FISHMANPET posted:For sure US labor laws could be better, but labor laws are a minimum, not a maximum. Just because someone can do something, doesn't mean that, in practice, they will. Corporations will in general try to gently caress over the worker as hard as they can if they can get away with it. That's why the government SHOULD set the minimum to benefit all of society.
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ratbert90 posted:D/V/C levels in general. D and V?
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Tab8715 posted:D and V? Director and Vice
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ratbert90 posted:Here is another few fun facts about America: Hahaha come on lmao how does anyone think this is okay
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CLAM DOWN posted:Hahaha come on lmao how does anyone think this is okay To put this in perspective; Somalia offers 14 weeks of mandatory minimum allotment of Maternity leave. We are worse than Somalia.
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ratbert90 posted:To put this in perspective; Somalia offers 14 weeks of mandatory minimum allotment of Maternity leave. My closet offer is open to anyone here except DAF.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Hahaha come on lmao how does anyone think this is okay Look, businesses need to have this kind of flexibility in order to compete. Government mandates make it impossible for struggling small businesses to survive in this competitive environment. Interesting note: At the meeting I was referring to earlier, one of the only business owners to speak in favor owned a small independent bookstore. His primary competitor is Amazon.com, and he's somehow figured out how to pay sick leave.
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CLAM DOWN posted:My closet offer is open to anyone here except DAF. If you had room for a family of four...
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I really don't understand some of the situations where these are in effect. It must be that over half of the voters are actively voting for policies that obviously hurt them, possibly the people who need the help the most, given they are rampant in the poorer regions of the US. Is it really still just the Red Scare being alive and well? Methanar fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Methanar posted:I really don't understand some of the situations where these are in effect. It's pretty amazing to watch from the outside, seeing stuff in the US, because you're spot-on, it's like they're voting for policies that will directly hurt them. I don't get it!
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CLAM DOWN posted:It's pretty amazing to watch from the outside, seeing stuff in the US, because you're spot-on, it's like they're voting for policies that will directly hurt them. I don't get it! “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” edit* I forgot one more horrible thing about labor laws in America: Breaks are not mandatory by law in many states. Idaho for example doesn't even have to provide you with any breaks at all for any period of work. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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ratbert90 posted:To put this in perspective; Somalia offers 14 weeks of mandatory minimum allotment of Maternity leave. Move to Somolia and let us know how it works out.
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Moey posted:Move to Somolia and let us know how it works out. I think you missed the point.
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Methanar posted:I really don't understand some of the situations where these are in effect. The people don't get to vote for these things. The people we vote for do. It's a pretty neat system for people who proffit off of it. Its almost impossible to prevent in the modern era of elections. ratbert90 posted:“Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” I don't know how I would feel if my workplace provided me brakes.
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ratbert90 posted:I think you missed the point. No I didn't. As said above, those requirements are minimums. If your job treats you like poo poo, find a new one. If you don't have a skillset where you are wanted for jobs, get a new skillset.
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Moey posted:No I didn't. As said above, those requirements are minimums. If your job treats you like poo poo, find a new one. If you don't have a skillset where you are wanted for jobs, get a new skillset. Well gee, now that you have fixed all of the labor problems ever in America we can move on to new things!
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ratbert90 posted:Well gee, now that you have fixed all of the labor problems ever in America we can move on to new things! I'm glad you see my point.
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Moey posted:I'm glad you see my point. Oh poo poo, everybody got better jobs and now there are no more janitors/ditch diggers/fast food workers/other low paying entry level jobs that keep our entire society running! Our economy is hosed!
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Tab8715 posted:Curious, at what point in ones career may one negotiate things like severance packages? You get them by the balls and don't let go. My first IT job gave me a 3 months severance (presumably) because over my course of employment I gained enough knowledge about the company to be able to leave and just create my own competitor, steal all their clients, and I never signed any sort of contract saying otherwise.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If you have a problem, just solve it! Hey man, I might have to work two lovely jobs and raise my kids because the company I was working for failed, but this is MURICA. I will just bootstrap my way back to being a millionaire when I have to work 60 hours a week and I am constantly worried about my next paycheck.
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Moey posted:No I didn't. As said above, those requirements are minimums. If your job treats you like poo poo, find a new one. If you don't have a skillset where you are wanted for jobs, get a new skillset. I appreciate the sentiment here, but it doesn't really address the problem. In IT particular it really is possible to get "get better" but not every industry has that luxury. This sort of FYGM mentality where you solve the problem for yourself doesn't fix the obvious systemic issue.
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Methanar posted:This sort of FYGM mentality where you solve the problem for yourself doesn't fix the obvious systemic issue.
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ratbert90 posted:Here is another few fun facts about America: yeah but we can have guns, so it kinda evens out.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If you have a problem, just solve it! Check out the hook while my DJ revolves it.
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nitrogen posted:yeah but we can have guns, so it kinda evens out. It will eventually 
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CLAM DOWN posted:It's pretty amazing to watch from the outside, seeing stuff in the US, because you're spot-on, it's like they're voting for policies that will directly hurt them. I don't get it! Chiming in as another Canadian, some of the US policies look really strange from the outside. However, I am far from an expert on the subject; just tossing in some agreement on an outsider's perspective.
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I guess people don't get fired from jobs in places outside the US because employers are too burdened by the laws requiring them to pay out worthless candidates if they do? An employers only hope after hiring someone is that they find another employer to screw over and leave?
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H.R. Paperstacks posted:I guess people don't get fired from jobs in places outside the US because employers are too burdened by the laws requiring them to pay out worthless candidates if they do? An employers only hope after hiring someone is that they find another employer to screw over and leave? I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. If you're not, no, people get terminated outside the US all the time. The employee is just treated with respect when doing so, and labour laws are adhered to. When they're not, employment standards/labour boards or even the courts step in and ensure the former employee is fairly compensated where required.
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CloFan posted:Welcome back to work, everything is broke! ShoreTel gently caress ShoreTel. gently caress ShoreTel. gently caress ShoreTel. In short, gently caress ShoreTel.
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