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mabels big day posted:Yeah. DD is a good game.
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alcharagia posted:DD is a good game. Hmm.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:22
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Apollo is loving badass, it has good music, the thought route mechanic is cool & good, and The Dissin of Phoenix Wright is the best testimony in series history! The witness is clearly lying, Your Honor!
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Jan 3, 2016 10:35
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Athena is a great and cool character.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:36
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Polly and Athena have a great dynamic at the bench and I'm very much looking forward to the LA side of events with them at the helm in AA6.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:38
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I'd be straight up okay with Nick not even being playable in AA6 if it meant more of Apollo and Athena dorking around through cases together.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:41
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I though the Jurist system's test was a success and it was weird that there were no nods towards it in DD, oh well. I'm glad I've seen what AJ has to offer, but I doubt I'll revisit anytime soon, even though Apollo does have great themes - still, one only has to play the first case to see the best the game has to offer.
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Jan 3, 2016 10:41
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Lurdiak posted:I think my favorite bad thing in AJ is the black psyche-lock on Kristoph's heart. It makes it seem like he's hiding something huge. The weird thing is that the black locks in DD are said to be from repressed memories or something. Why would Kristoph repress anything about the murder? He seemed to be fully aware of every aspect, down to watching all the people involved for years and years. 
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Jan 3, 2016 11:08
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:The weird thing is that the black locks in DD are said to be from repressed memories or something. Why would Kristoph repress anything about the murder? He seemed to be fully aware of every aspect, down to watching all the people involved for years and years. He is repressing that he is the pettiest human being on the planet. alcharagia posted:Polly and Athena have a great dynamic at the bench and I'm very much looking forward to the LA side of events with them at the helm in AA6. They're the best. I hope they are the main characters of AA7.
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Jan 3, 2016 11:28
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Yeah I think the idea is that he didn't want to admit to himself how loving stupid his motive was? Or maybe it's just that the magatama can't actually directly expose a murderer.
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Jan 3, 2016 13:54
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I just assumed they changed what black locks meant.
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Jan 3, 2016 13:54
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It doesn't really matter, in the end. They show us something we've never seen before, a truth that can't be revealed, and play dramatic music. And then nothing dramatic gets revealed, the lock never shatters dramatically, it's just never addressed again. Bad writing.
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Jan 3, 2016 13:57
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Lurdiak posted:It doesn't really matter, in the end. They show us something we've never seen before, a truth that can't be revealed, and play dramatic music. And then nothing dramatic gets revealed, the lock never shatters dramatically, it's just never addressed again. Bad writing. The lock never shattering could easily have been done well. It's a shame.
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Jan 3, 2016 14:04
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Lurdiak posted:It doesn't really matter, in the end. They show us something we've never seen before, a truth that can't be revealed, and play dramatic music. And then nothing dramatic gets revealed, the lock never shatters dramatically, it's just never addressed again. Bad writing. it's one of the reasons why i think the game was rear end raped in development
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Jan 4, 2016 00:32
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Dongicus posted:it's one of the reasons why i think the game was rear end raped in development I think the idea was supposed to be Apollo succeeding at drawing out the truth where Phoenix failed. But then Phoenix reverse-engineers the ending anyway.
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Jan 4, 2016 00:53
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Ok, JfA does have the best Investigation ~ Core IMO. Having Matt flip his hair while the really creepy start to the investigation tune was great.
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Jan 4, 2016 01:43
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I finished AAI1, and I really found it to be fantastic. Case 5 especially, although it did get a bit tedious at the end when everyone involved in the case showed up with a new piece of decisive evidence. I suppose that's par for the course in AA though. When Edgeworth deduced that Alba was the real killer and head of the smuggling ring, it was such a moment for me, as I really didn't suspect him. Good game, can't wait for the next one. Earlier in the thread someone said that Edgeworth works better when he has it figured it out and you're waiting to see how he presents, and I'm inclined to agree, as he was much closer to Phoenix during his investigations, just a bit ruder. Gonna play AAI2 after I play Apollo Justice, can't think of a better way to start off the year of the Ace Attorney
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Jan 4, 2016 09:00
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Carlosologist posted:I finished AAI1, and I really found it to be fantastic. Case 5 especially, although it did get a bit tedious at the end... Congrats, you can now fully appreciate this (Massive AAI case 5 spoilers, obviously.): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3eWbz-7dz0 The first AAI game is somewhat under-appreciated here. I share your opinion that it's a pretty darn good game. Death Priest fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jan 4, 2016 |
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Jan 4, 2016 11:15
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fronz posted:Ok, JfA does have the best Investigation ~ Core IMO. Having Matt flip his hair while the really creepy start to the investigation tune was great. This track was great in Justice for All. I thought it was misused terribly in Trials & Tribulations.
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Jan 4, 2016 13:00
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Lurdiak posted:Athena is a great and cool character. Something about her annoyed me for no reason. I think it was her hair.
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Jan 4, 2016 19:41
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I thought the point of the Black Locks was that: With the normal locks, deep down, the person WANTS to admit things and unlock it. With the Black Locks, the person gave zero fucks and had no guilt or remorse tied into keeping it secret, so there was no way to work it out like you could with anyone else.
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Jan 4, 2016 20:44
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the_steve posted:I thought the point of the Black Locks was that: In AA4 it was along the lines of "they'd sooner die than reveal the truth", which in AA5 evolved to "if they reveal the truth they might actually die". Psyche-locks were always kind of inconsistent in their execution, though. Like in AA3 where the "secret" being guarded turns out to be a bold-faced lie.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:49
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Plom Bar posted:In AA4 it was along the lines of "they'd sooner die than reveal the truth", which in AA5 evolved to "if they reveal the truth they might actually die". Larry's endless psyche-lock, coupled with Edgeworth's "NOOOOOOOO!", remains a series highlight for me.
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Jan 4, 2016 22:07
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Chieves posted:Larry's endless psyche-lock, coupled with Edgeworth's "NOOOOOOOO!", remains a series highlight for me. Edgeworth saying, essentially "Okay gently caress this clown, i'll drag the truth out of him in court!"
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Jan 4, 2016 22:34
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God... aai2 is so good......
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Jan 4, 2016 23:00
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Dongicus posted:God... aai2 is so good...... 
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Jan 4, 2016 23:02
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Plom Bar posted:In AA4 it was along the lines of "they'd sooner die than reveal the truth" They actually never got an explanation in AJ but that was the assumption. Phoenix just said that he had never seen locks so cold and full of despair. Then he wondered if it was even possible to break the locks but we never even got to try. The "repressed memory" explanation in DD is sort of a retcon, but it doesn't outright contradict anything before it. For all we know, there's some tragic, repressed memory that made Kristoph who he is that we'll never find out about because everything in AJ was thrown out with the bath water. For what it's worth, there never was a huge reveal at the end of AJ worthy of black locks. You just proved what we already knew and Kristoph went Super Saiyan.
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Jan 4, 2016 23:09
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Kristoph's deepest darkest biggest blackest secret is that he is the most petty person in this series.
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Jan 4, 2016 23:12
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Funky Valentine posted:Kristoph's deepest darkest biggest blackest secret is that he is the most petty person in this series. I want to know how he got so messed up to the point where he needs to forge evidence and murder two people just to cheat his brother out of a verdict.
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Jan 5, 2016 00:06
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Suspicious Cook posted:They actually never got an explanation in AJ but that was the assumption. Phoenix just said that he had never seen locks so cold and full of despair. Then he wondered if it was even possible to break the locks but we never even got to try. We did break the locks, we just never saw them break. You found out why Kristoph did what he did in court, he is just a terrible person.
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Jan 5, 2016 00:07
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I think of it as Red locks = keeping a secret from you. Black locks = keeping a secret from themselves. And for Kristoph, that secret is probably just he uncomfortable truth this was also because of petty jealousy.
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Jan 5, 2016 00:30
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Yeah, Kristoph's thing is that he really want to appear as a cool, aloof, evil guy that ruined lives because he is so very evil. Truth is, he comitted forgery and murder, and had to spend 7 years watching everyone because he lost a poker game and couldn't stomach it.
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Jan 5, 2016 00:36
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Maybe he's just a closet homosexual
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Jan 5, 2016 00:37
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Kristoph's secret is that he knows he's a mediocre villain in a sub-par game.
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Jan 5, 2016 01:58
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Dongicus posted:God... aai2 is so good...... Case 1 was great, Case 2 was kinda average. Case 3 though, holy poo poo. I'm not finished yet but it's already one of my favorite in the series.
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Jan 5, 2016 02:51
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case 2 in AAI-2 is far too long I don't think I've ever actually been tired of a case's sheer length before that
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Jan 5, 2016 03:35
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Yeah, that's the only low point of the game. Also, Ray was a total dick to Edgeworth at the start of the case.
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Jan 5, 2016 03:48
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Yeah, that's the only low point of the game. Also, Ray was a total dick to Edgeworth at the start of the case. Those air quotes might be the most annoying animation in the series.
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Jan 5, 2016 04:12
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Vengarr posted:Those air quotes might be the most annoying animation in the series. His sarcastic golf clapping is the best, though.
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Vengarr posted:Those air quotes might be the most annoying animation in the series. Well, there's Spark Brushel and pretty much everything he does.
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