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You don't hear about it much but Occupy did, in fact, get the FBI's attention and there was a massive nationwide crackdown on it. Ten guys sitting in an empty building nobody had any plans to use at the time is quite different than Occupy. This is massively different than Occupy in so many ways.
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Lotka Volterra posted:Afaik, yes. The hope is that they'll just get bored and leave, but assuming that doesn't happen the "ignore them" strategy is going to fall flat on its face. Ok, how about calling them campers..... They can be ignored of 14 days at least if they flow the rules.......... http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/ Under recreation quote:Are there limits on how long I can stay at BLM recreation sites? So they can stay for 14 days as long as they do not actually fire the guns they have leave trash or generally be dicks. If they stay longer then fine them. BAD CAMPERS!!!
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Anosmoman posted:What if they stay "for years" as they plan? When should they be evicted and how many federal agents should lay down their lives to do it? By then, there'll only be a couple of them left. Pretty hard to earn your livelihood protesting in another state, and unlike Occupy, these guys probably don't still have their parents paying their rent. They'll thin out within a few months, and if needed, an intervention against the few remaining holdouts will be much safer.
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How many of them work for Cliven, I wonder.
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Ziptar posted:Ok, how about calling them campers..... They can be ignored of 14 days at least if they flow the rules.......... http://www.blm.gov/or/faq/ Under recreation The national wildlife refuge isn't BLM land. quote:Camping is not available on Malheur Refuge, but the BLM Page Springs Campground, located at the southern end of the Refuge is open year round. Other nearby BLM campgrounds include South Steens, Fish Lake, and Jackman Park. Visit the BLM Burns District web site or call 541-573-4400 for details.
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can another movement go out there to protest their protest? or would these hickbillies gun them down on sight?
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Are they racking up charges or will these clowns just walk away at the end of this? (Assuming no shots are fired, which I feel is what they are hoping for)
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Scott Forstall posted:Are they racking up charges or will these clowns just walk away at the end of this? (Assuming no shots are fired, which I feel is what they are hoping for) Based on the Ranch standoff, I predict one of the following: a) They freeze their nuts off, claim victory, and disperse with no charges. b) They accidentally light themselves on fire, claim Waco, and disperse with no charges. c) An argument devolves into an intragroup firefight, some are killed, and the rest disperse with no charges.
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Does Alex Jones think this protest is a FALSE FLAG? Guess. Go on, take a wild guess.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGe9BKuE_bM
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I didn't realize that George Soros had been upgraded to "Conqueror of Europe" from his run-of-the-mill shadowy, nefarious deeds.
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Volkerball posted:I wonder how a republican president would react to a left wing armed occupation like this. A left wing group would argue among themselves and split up before they made it past Winnemucca though.
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Joementum posted:Does Alex Jones think this protest is a FALSE FLAG? Guess. Go on, take a wild guess.  Political correctness.
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So Obama's set to announce gun control reform? That's, interesting.
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Joementum posted:Does Alex Jones think this protest is a FALSE FLAG? Guess. Go on, take a wild guess. If you get Alex Jones to admit that he himself is a false flag, does he collapse in on himself like a dying star?
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Joementum posted:Does Alex Jones think this protest is a FALSE FLAG? Guess. Go on, take a wild guess. I don't know why but it makes me sad that sweet little innocent Macs are forced to search incoherent conspiracy theories and record limp-dick white man rantings. Go use a Dell or HP, they already come from broken homes.
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ufarn posted:So Obama's set to announce gun control reform? That's, interesting. It would be a much better response to these people than gunning them down on site.
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Scott Forstall posted:I don't know why but it makes me sad that sweet little innocent Macs are forced to search incoherent conspiracy theories and record limp-dick white man rantings. Steve Jobs is the ultimate limp dick white man.
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Despite the White House announcement, it does appear that the FBI is involved.WaPo posted:BURNS, Ore. — The FBI is leading the investigation into the armed occupation of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon and says it will work with local and state authorities to seek “a peaceful resolution to the situation.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/04/fbi-takes-lead-on-investigating-armed-takeover-of-federal-building-in-oregon/ I don't think it should surprise anyone that detailed plans aren't being released to the press. I also don't see what's wrong with taking their good, sweet time about it. You've got a bunch of armed and unstable radicals who have voluntarily removed themselves from populated areas, so if anything the feds are probably tempted to prolong this as much as possible.
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The truly insane thing about this is that people ever viewed Waco and Ruby Ridge as sad or regrettable in any way, at least compared to what is visited upon minorities every loving day.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:You don't hear about it much but Occupy did, in fact, get the FBI's attention and there was a massive nationwide crackdown on it. Also the FBI (and other agencies) have no issue infiltrating and destroying white supremacist groups and has done so many times. It just doesn't make the news much but pretty much any "militia" worth talking about is heavily monitored. The idea that they are being left alone because the are white is idiotic, it's because they are in the middle of nowhere. Radbot posted:The truly insane thing about this is that people ever viewed Waco and Ruby Ridge as sad or regrettable in any way, at least compared to what is visited upon minorities every loving day. Crab bucket mentality dot txt.
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Law enforcement press conference will be streamed here whenever it starts: http://koin.com/koin-video-extras/ There's a reporter that doesn't know the mic is on debating how to pronounce Hammond over the phone with someone. Edit: ShutteredIn fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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That was pretty magnificent. I feel a bit sorry for the press corps, who got all set up for it.
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As an occasional Federal employee this poo poo really gets under my skin. This site (http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.18/reports-from-the-front-lines) has a pretty cute compilation of some of the yahoos that land management employees have to deal with. The fact that I have to worry about assholes like this while I just put in my forty and earn a paycheck like most other Americans is infuriating. I do understand where much of the frustration from ranchers and such comes from--Federal regulations can be quite obstructive. But I don't see how turning Federal land over to the states would change a drat thing--is that not just trading one bureaucratic overseer for another? This is a big deal in Utah, and the state itself commissioned a report examining the feasibility of transferring federal land to the state. And found that the only way the state could afford it would be excessive mineral leasing and crossing their fingers that oil prices stayed high (http://publiclands.utah.gov/current-projects/transfer-of-public-lands-act/) Bunch of fatties pissed that they're not allowed to drive ATV's wherever they want--without enough brain cells to realize that a land transfer would assuredly limit public access to public land far more than it now is.
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Joementum posted:Does Alex Jones think this protest is a FALSE FLAG? Guess. Go on, take a wild guess. Rhesus Pieces posted:If you get Alex Jones to admit that he himself is a false flag, does he collapse in on himself like a dying star?
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Radbot posted:The truly insane thing about this is that people ever viewed Waco and Ruby Ridge as sad or regrettable in any way, at least compared to what is visited upon minorities every loving day. Come on, those were huge gently caress-ups. Ruby Ridge started off with some bullshit weapons charges because the guy wouldn't be their informant, then they told him the wrong date he was supposed to go to court, and rather than correcting that, they issued a warrant and surrounded his property. And then later sent a USMS team to his property and shot his dog and child. And then they issued shoot on sight orders for all adults in the house based on a bullshit claim that they fired upon a news helicopter. Then they shot him, his friend, and his wife, who was holding a loving baby at the time, while they were trying to run for cover. How is that not sad or regrettable in any way? Xandu fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:Why exactly are these men not being evicted? Is there any rhyme or reason to it beyond not legitimizing their dumb movement with a response? They're occupying a federal building, yes? Really feels like there's a law against that somewhere. Presidential election.
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Surely the obvious solution here is for a BLM guy to go to them and say 'Ok guys, we surrender, due to your magical constitution powers. We're signing over the first million acres to your group. We're filling out the land deeds now, we just need to know how do you want to apportion it amongst yourself?' Then quickly duck out of the sight, and arrest anyone still breathing after the inevitable gunfight breaks out.
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Xandu posted:How is that not sad or regrettable in any way? Radbot is wrong but I think there is general irritation that there appears to be two completely separate justice systems depending upon the color of your skin and what you believe.
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per Kelly House, from the Oregonian, it appears that the FBI and local law enforcement are using the local high school (the same place that supertiny presser was just held) as their base of operations.quote:Lincoln Junior High School in downtown Burns remained closed to the public Monday, with law enforcement workers replacing the students and teachers who were previously scheduled to fill its halls for the first day back from the winter break.
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Rough transcription of the press conference, I'm no court reporter so forgive any minor errors:quote:Good afternoon, my name is David Ward, the Sheriff of Harney County, Oregon. The Hammonds have turned themselves in today, at 1:37 pm, in accordance with the law, and are currently in custody at a federal correctional institution in California. go home.
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Torpor posted:Radbot is wrong but I think there is general irritation that there appears to be two completely separate justice systems depending upon the color of your skin and what you believe. And that's totally fair and I completely agree. But the problem is that sometimes people take that too far and rather than just advocating for treating all groups fairly, there's this almost bloodlust that white people aren't being shot by police too. And that makes me uncomfortable.
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How awesome would it be if the Feds airdropped a few crates with these supplies, with a handwritten note: "Hey guys, I saw on Twitter you could use some help. Make sure to share the peanut butter pretzels with the birds though! Love, Obama"
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These guys are not good public speakers and should not be talking to cameras. Worse still their arguments are bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jB2ss6skwk Edit: I'm pretty sure they want the government to hand them a fuckload of land for free.
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Torpor posted:These guys are not good public speakers and should not be talking to cameras. Worse still their arguments are bad. Out-Of-State Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be SMILLENNIALSMILLEN fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Lycus posted:How are the snacks going to get to them? Is UPS going to deliver to the revolution? That's their plan, yes. They even provided a helpful postal address. 
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Splish posted:As an occasional Federal employee this poo poo really gets under my skin. This site (http://www.hcn.org/issues/46.18/reports-from-the-front-lines) has a pretty cute compilation of some of the yahoos that land management employees have to deal with. Even though they're total shitheads, I at least understand why people want to drive their ATVs around or whatever. But horse people are total loving nuts. quote:In the public-comment process for a BLM plan to round up wild horses in Wyoming, a wild-horse advocate sent a lengthy email to BLM employees, saying: “You sick bastards ought to be killed. ... We are so goddamned sick of your cruelty to our American wildlife. ... gently caress you go to hell where u bastards deserve (to be) terrified tortured and hung upside down (and) may your families be tortured.” —Sept. 17, 2013 Horses aren't even native wildlife...
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Bubbacub posted:Even though they're total shitheads, I at least understand why people want to drive their ATVs around or whatever. But horse people are total loving nuts. Not really much different from this thread.
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