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The best way for law enforcement to resolve this is to just wait a couple days until their supply of jerky and doritos runs out and they have to come out and admit they're idiots who are going home.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:If you get Alex Jones to admit that he himself is a false flag, does he collapse in on himself like a dying star? https://www.google.com/search?q=%22alex+jones+is+cia%22&oq=%22alex+jones+is+cia%22
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Torpor posted:
I'll have to take your word for it, I couldn't make it past two minutes even though I desperately wish to be amused by these nutjobs. Is that Captain Moron(i) I see over Ammon's right shoulder?
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Bubbacub posted:Even though they're total shitheads, I at least understand why people want to drive their ATVs around or whatever. But horse people are total loving nuts.  Goddamn, did the BLM rape his mother or something? How the hell do people get so pissed off at such a relatively benign organization?
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Thump! posted:
Yeah there's a weird trend that causes them to flip out about obscure organizations. I was just on some militia site yesterday raging against the US Forest Service. Like, what?
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Discendo Vox posted:per Kelly House, from the Oregonian, it appears that the FBI and local law enforcement are using the local high school (the same place that supertiny presser was just held) as their base of operations. Alright, this is looking more like a strategy I can get behind. I'm not opposed to being cautious, but you have to at least get an actual presence there and get some control of the situation instead of pretending it's not happening.
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Xandu posted:Yeah there's a weird trend that causes them to flip out about obscure organizations. I was just on some militia site yesterday raging against the US Forest Service. Like, what? Clearly that obscurity is a cover for something.
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I imagine it's because the Forest Service or BLM are seen as the tentacles of Big Government that actually affect them by not letting them burn their land down and sell it for the oil rights (or whatever).
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Volkerball posted:Alright, this is looking more like a strategy I can get behind. I'm not opposed to being cautious, but you have to at least get an actual presence there and get some control of the situation instead of pretending it's not happening. The press is largely cooperating with the feds in not discussing what they're actually doing.
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Joementum posted:That's their plan, yes. They even provided a helpful postal address. Wait how would this even work? Do they plan on making regular runs to the post office to pick up their free goodies? Do they not realize that if they actually get the response they're asking for they can't leave the compound?
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Haven't read the whole thread, but I found http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/oregon-standoff-terrible-plan-we-might-be-stuck and wanted to post it.quote:As a student of asymmetrics, I understand that choosing the time, place and circumstances is 95% of the battle ahead against an advanced opponent. More organization is needed. More preparedness. More training. More public awareness. The Oregon standoff could steal away what little time we had left. quote:Ammon Bundy and companions are not the tip of the spear. Not even close. What I do fear is that they are cannon fodder beckoning a nationwide government crackdown to which I and others will then be forced to personally respond to with equal f*cking measure. And all of this on the worst possible terms and at a very inconvenient time (executive actions on gun control mere weeks from now). It's kind of amazing. I love it.
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Someone put a warning in the title to put on rubber boots before entering this thread. Is there a just the facts, ma'am timeline of events somewhere?
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Wait how would this even work? Do they plan on making regular runs to the post office to pick up their free goodies? Do they not realize that if they actually get the response they're asking for they can't leave the compound? It's not like there's any law enforcement there to stop someone from driving from Burns to give them a case of beef jerky. There's no blockade.
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Discendo Vox posted:The press is largely cooperating with the feds in not discussing what they're actually doing. Yeah, clearly. It honestly looked like they were gonna go with the "meh, boys will be boys, just let them wear themselves out strategy" before. I'm happy to see that's not the case. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt now.
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Xandu posted:Yeah there's a weird trend that causes them to flip out about obscure organizations. I was just on some militia site yesterday raging against the US Forest Service. Like, what? Rural folks really, really hate agencies that make decisions on land use. They hate bag limits for hunting and trapping, they hate hunting seasons, they hate agencies that won't let them clear cut whatever they want...it's just nonstop "you're not the boss of me!" childishness mixed with an adamant refusal to admit that maybe environmental regulations aren't all bad. These are people that want to graze their cattle on any land they want no matter who owns it while hunting everything bigger than a chipmunk into a extinction for fun and profit. The view is that because the government is preventing them from burning down the forests and grazing the land into a barren hellscape that it's awful, disgusting tyranny controlling the little guy.
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PleasingFungus posted:Haven't read the whole thread, but I found http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/oregon-standoff-terrible-plan-we-might-be-stuck and wanted to post it. lol an inconvenient time because of gun control? you lunatics have spent 6 years setting records for gun sales, i think you'll be ok.
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The post I linked also suggests that some of the people involved in the standoff may have been dragged into it without realizing that without realizing that the leaders were planning a full-on standoff with the federal authorities, and while it's not even a remotely credible source, it's still a plausible/funny/useful possibility.
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Volkerball posted:lol an inconvenient time because of gun control? you lunatics have spent 6 years setting records for gun sales, i think you'll be ok. look out, man! if the feds use force here, the second american civil war starts NOW - ready or not!!!
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Volkerball posted:lol an inconvenient time because of gun control? you lunatics have spent 6 years setting records for gun sales, i think you'll be ok. I would bet the venn diagram of people who bought into the monthly cries of "THE WORLD WILL END IN X WEEKS" and the people who scream "OBAMA IS GOING TO TAKE OUR GUN IN X DAYS" every other week is just one solid circle.
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Early deets on the Obama gun control policies. Very promising stuff- a lot of carefully triangulated provisions that have broad public support when individually identified in surveys, all resistant to most ways they can be legally challenged. I see a couple rhetorical weak spots, but this looks like a good move- and well-timed, of course.
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Onions got us covered with all the need to know deets.quote:Are the protesters violent? http://www.theonion.com/graphic/wha...eview:1:Default
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So wait I am confused. Are they holding hostages right now?
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Knifegrab posted:So wait I am confused. Are they holding hostages right now?
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Nessus posted:Their only hostage at present is the wildlife preserve and federal buildings they're occupying. ANd themselves, maybe. So they are just like performing an armed sit-in?
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Knifegrab posted:So wait I am confused. Are they holding hostages right now? When you hear them talk you'll wake up and realize that we're all the hostages and they are the ones that are free.
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PleasingFungus posted:Haven't read the whole thread, but I found http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/oregon-standoff-terrible-plan-we-might-be-stuck and wanted to post it. it is. The militia poo poo for the most part is basically politicized military LARPing. its for bored right leaning rural/townie whites to have their little hero fantasy. Most of them are big talk and alot of them do probaly believe half the poo poo they say, BUT they no they will never win or ever get motivated to try. Sure some talk about marching into a town and shooting all the uppity darkies, but they know the police/swat will come and then they are hosed. Now Bundy is breaking the gently caress out of that unwritten rule and takes a Federal building and tells the feds to gently caress off. Sure bundy sr was "supportable" because he was on his own land. but now they have taken a aggressive stance. its why alex jones, ted cruz, the oathkeepers are all telling them to gently caress off in their own way. they are spoiling the fun and now if it turns ugly the goverment will be within its rights to crackdown on all the shitheads, real or LARPing.
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PleasingFungus posted:Haven't read the whole thread, but I found http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/oregon-standoff-terrible-plan-we-might-be-stuck and wanted to post it. it's time to pack it in when even Zerohedge thinks your anti-USgov movement is stupid
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So yeah, I don't care what all of the buzzkills in this thread advocating minimum use of force say. I will be seriously disappointed if this ends without any shots being fired, because if these terrorists are allowed to end this standoff on their own terms after having declared an armed occupation of a federal building (regardless of whether said building contained any employees at the time it was occupied), then the militia movement will be able to declare victory, just like they did after the first Bundy standoff. I don't necessarily hope these people or any LEOs actually get shot, but I do sincerely think an exchange of gunfire would be a good thing at this point. A demoralizing surrender at gunpoint after shots are fired would A) ensure that these "3%" terrorists don't get off with a slap on the wrist from some rural shitbag judge who sympathizes with their grotesque cause, and B) the G.O.P. (for whose interests these terrorists are acting as a proxy) would be forced to actually confront this incident in the press and get all their statements about how the #BLM protesters should've been mowed down where they stood thrown back in their face. Speaking to the "tacticlol" particulars of the situation, since there are no hostages or bystanders I don't see why the feds would need to attempt a forced entry if and when the decision is made that the terrorists need to be forcibly dealt with. If any #YokelHaram takes aim at a federal agent with a rifle, then the feds ought to just hose the place down with automatic rifle fire from extreme range until the terrorists agree to come out with their hands on their heads.
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quote:On the January 4 edition of Fox News' Happening Now, reporter Dan Springer discussed the occupation with Pete Santilli, introducing him as a supporter of the militia and an Internet talk show host. During the interview in which Santilli supported the takeover, an on-screen graphic identified him as a "movement spokesman"  http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/04/fox-promotes-conspiracy-theorist-who-threatened/207723
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but liberal leet, these guys shot rocket launchers at qurans. they are your extremist allies.
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Liberal_L33t posted:So yeah, I don't care what all of the buzzkills in this thread advocating minimum use of force say. I will be seriously disappointed if this ends without any shots being fired, because if these terrorists are allowed to end this standoff on their own terms after having declared an armed occupation of a federal building (regardless of whether said building contained any employees at the time it was occupied), then the militia movement will be able to declare victory, just like they did after the first Bundy standoff. I'm very happy you don't make any decisions that matter. Please let the adults manage these situations. Killing people, even if they are idiots, is bad. Remember that these people WANT the feds to come in shooting. If they had done this to a city council, or legislative building, a response would be necessary, but they are literally sleeping in a gift shop.
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Joementum posted:I hope nobody sends them foil-lined juice boxes They can't be trusted to handle those sharp straws by themselves.
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Venom Snake posted:How is it goons fault people post stupid poo poo on their public facebook page. There's one guy commenting on a page amongst a lot more people and then there's another guy singling him out and encouraging raiding of his profile. its 1 step away from tumblr level doxxing bullshit. You dudes wonder why dnd is the worst forum, it's because your heads are so far up your arses you can't actually see you are exactly the same types of people as the ones you poo poo on, except for your political alignment. E: But then again, this is the same forum who thinks what these guys are doing is worse than rioting and burning peoples cars and businesses. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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