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The Glumslinger posted:Hey, if you had to spend 2-3 hours a day on a loving freeway, you would elevate their status too I'm from the Bay Area, I spend that much time on them without having to treat them like they're special. My favorite thing about living in San Fernando Valley was that they don't have bookstores anymore.  NC-17 posted:Home Attendance Percentage How many of those fans were cheering for the Chargers?
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Chichevache posted:I'm from the Bay Area, I spend that much time on them without having to treat them like they're special. A lot, other than random games against the Packers and Steelers. Volkerball posted:Is Spanos really at fault in all the dealings with San Diego? No, he's right in that a city was responsible for a lot of it when you're going back a few years. The city was going through a pension crisis and the recession, political instability and really awful mayors throughout the 2000s. However, he has flatout refused to negotiate anything ever since Mayor Faulkner was elected, who has been the one mayor who has seemed committed to trying to keep the team here. The Chargers flatout walked away from the table last June and haven't been back since.
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Ross Angeles posted:No, he's right in that a city was responsible for a lot of it when you're going back a few years. The city was going through a pension crisis and the recession, political instability and really awful mayors throughout the 2000s. I see. So he really tried, but at some point in the leadup to this new LA stadium, he made going there his top priority.
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Chichevache posted:My favorite thing about living in San Fernando Valley was that they don't have bookstores anymore. We have 4  I think 
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Volkerball posted:I see. So he really tried, but at some point in the leadup to this new LA stadium, he made going there his top priority. It's exactly this, yeah.
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The Glumslinger posted:We have 4 The University of northridge student book store, 2 used book stores with poor hours and a bad selection*, and __________?!?! *I love used book stores. Good ones. Like http://www.recyclebookstore.com/. They have cats.  I just picked up Ezra Pound's Guide to Kulchur and Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars yesterday. 
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I just don't see why the city should have to pay for the stadium, period. LA isn't going to pay for the Carson stadium, why should cities like SD who are too broke to fix potholes shovel cash into Spanos' pockets? SD has had its issues in the past 15 years with the pension crisis and lovely leaders, and now that they seem to be turning a new leaf, a billionaire comes in and demands a bunch of cash. If that's how the NFL works these days then good riddance. It's been like this for quite a while and to be honest I'm glad someone stood up to them and called their bluff.
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Chichevache posted:The University of northridge student book store, 2 used book stores with poor hours and a bad selection*, and __________?!?! http://www.yelp.com/biz/barnes-and-noble-booksellers-bookstar-studio-city Also, I was thinking of like 2 others that have both apparently closed since I moved 
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b-minus1 posted:The Rams are going to move to LA and go 13-3 the first year, and I will kill myself. Ahem, if Jeff Fisher is still their coach, they will go 8-8 next year, then in 2017 go 13-3. This is canon (Every 9 years his teams go 13-3). chupacabraTERROR posted:I just don't see why the city should have to pay for the stadium, period. LA isn't going to pay for the Carson stadium, why should cities like SD who are too broke to fix potholes shovel cash into Spanos' pockets? SD has had its issues in the past 15 years with the pension crisis and lovely leaders, and now that they seem to be turning a new leaf, a billionaire comes in and demands a bunch of cash. If that's how the NFL works these days then good riddance. It's been like this for quite a while and to be honest I'm glad someone stood up to them and called their bluff. Dean Spanos claims they have to move to LA, so the Rams don't move there and steal the southern California market. Pretty triflin' imo
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zen death robot posted:So will Kronke ragequit the NFL when he can't move the team to LA? A conspiracy out there is if he can't move the Rams, the NFL will let him buy the Broncos and sell the Rams to someone who will keep them in St. Louis.
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The Glumslinger posted:http://www.yelp.com/biz/barnes-and-noble-booksellers-bookstar-studio-city I don't know how the gently caress I missed that place.
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If somehow, someway Spanos would have gotten the downtown site he was originally wanting, would that have changed anything in this whole mess? Or was downtown them basically admitting they wouldn't get a new stadium but were trying to seem honest about wanting to stay in San Diego? I know when the city came back with the Mission Valley proposal that almost seemed liked the death knell of the whole situation. Also, where the gently caress would they even build a new stadium in Downtown?
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Spoeank posted:Can't wait to see Jeff Fisher go 8 and 8 in LA. Or as they call it, the 8 and the 8. Totally not empty quoting so I can give this more love.
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GopherFlats posted:If somehow, someway Spanos would have gotten the downtown site he was originally wanting, would that have changed anything in this whole mess? Or was downtown them basically admitting they wouldn't get a new stadium but were trying to seem honest about wanting to stay in San Diego? I know when the city came back with the Mission Valley proposal that almost seemed liked the death knell of the whole situation. They'd absolutely stay if they got the downtown stadium. Unfortunately that was never ever going to happen. I don't doubt that Spanos wanted to keep the team here. Most people would have moved the team to LA years ago. He's just convinced that there's no way anything is going to happen, and with Kroenke initiating all this eighteen months ago, he can't waste time trying to deal with the new mayor.
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b-minus1 posted:The Rams are going to move to LA and go 13-3 the first year, and I will kill myself. On the bright side it ain't happening this season because Fisher's still there and Case Keenum's starting
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quote:Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet Mark doesn't have 500 million period. Seems to me the best case in that situation would be the Chargers and Rams going to LA, with owners then coming together to help the Raiders add more funds to get a deal in Oakland, where the Raiders sell tickets fine and where their brand works. Remember the Raiders are really starting to look on the up and up, and in 2001 they were 6th in attendance, and they were 2nd in attendance in 2002. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Jan 5, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:Mark doesn't have 500 million period. Seems to me the best case in that situation would be the Chargers and Rams going to LA, with owners then coming together to help the Raiders add more funds to get a deal in Oakland, where the Raiders sell tickets fine and where their brand works. There is no best case that involves a fan base losing their team.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:There is no best case that involves a fan base losing their team. Best case reasonable scenario.
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Volkerball posted:Mark doesn't have 500 million period. Seems to me the best case in that situation would be the Chargers and Rams going to LA, with owners then coming together to help the Raiders add more funds to get a deal in Oakland, where the Raiders sell tickets fine and where their brand works. Remember the Raiders are really starting to look on the up and up, and in 2001 they were 6th in attendance, and they were 2nd in attendance in 2002. I like this. Besides, after this season all the Niners fans are going to have to go somewhere to bandwagon, basketball stadiums only seat so many tech dweebs.
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i hope LA gets so many teams that they just start saying to hel with this many teams!
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Volkerball posted:Mark doesn't have 500 million period. Seems to me the best case in that situation would be the Chargers and Rams going to LA, with owners then coming together to help the Raiders add more funds to get a deal in Oakland, where the Raiders sell tickets fine and where their brand works. Remember the Raiders are really starting to look on the up and up, and in 2001 they were 6th in attendance, and they were 2nd in attendance in 2002. If the owners want to help any of the three, it's Dean.
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Ross Angeles posted:If the owners want to help any of the three, it's Dean. Yeah, but they would've already helped Spanos by getting him in a nice rear end stadium in LA instead of the poo poo one in Carson.
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Volkerball posted:Yeah, but they would've already helped Spanos by getting him in a nice rear end stadium in LA instead of the poo poo one in Carson. That's not his stadium though. He'd be a tenant in Kroenke's which doesn't help him at all.
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Ross Angeles posted:That's not his stadium though. He'd be a tenant in Kroenke's which doesn't help him at all. Carson wouldn't be solely his either.
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Volkerball posted:Carson wouldn't be solely his either. Goldman Sachs has said they'd fully fund the stadium for the Chargers moving to Carson if it's just them. And they'd still own half of it. As opposed to none of it with Kroenke
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Ross Angeles posted:Goldman Sachs has said they'd fully fund the stadium for the Chargers moving to Carson if it's just them. If the Chargers are spending 550 million to relocate, the NFL would make sure they get theirs. Kroenke obviously wants sole control of a Rams only stadium in Inglewood, but he's not going to get it, so concessions are going to have to be made. There isn't going to be 2 stadiums built in LA, especially since Inglewood would be way nicer and would make the Chargers second class citizens anyways.
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Volkerball posted:If the Chargers are spending 550 million to relocate, the NFL would make sure they get theirs. Kroenke obviously wants sole control of a Rams only stadium in Inglewood, but he's not going to get it, so concessions are going to have to be made. There isn't going to be 2 stadiums built in LA, especially since Inglewood would be way nicer and would make the Chargers second class citizens anyways. Or Kroenke can just build whatever the gently caress he wants and move the team since he has the money and the land. Al Davis moved without giving a gently caress what the league said, so who knows. And the Chargers are going to be second class citizens no matter what. They could be the only team that moves and still somehow be second class citizens. I just want the dumb vote to happen
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Also I really doubt that the 550 million dollar relocation fee is gonna be one big lump sum. It'll probably be paid off over 20 years. Every NFL owners gets like 190 million dollars a year just for TV revenue, so let's not pretend like Mark Davis is in poverty.
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Ross Angeles posted:Or Kroenke can just build whatever the gently caress he wants and move the team since he has the money and the land. Al Davis moved without giving a gently caress what the league said, so who knows. And the Chargers are going to be second class citizens no matter what. They could be the only team that moves and still somehow be second class citizens. He's threatening to do that, but the NFL circumvents the whole problem if Kroenke gets his stadium, and Kroenke saves himself the trouble if he agrees that the Chargers get their fair slice.
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Chichevache posted:*I love used book stores. Good ones. Like http://www.recyclebookstore.com/. They have cats. Angelopolis divisa erit in partes tres, quarum unam incolent Arietes, aliam Piratae, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Equi Bellatores, nostra "poo poo Tacos" appellantur. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Ross Angeles posted:Also I really doubt that the 550 million dollar relocation fee is gonna be one big lump sum. It'll probably be paid off over 20 years. Every NFL owners gets like 190 million dollars a year just for TV revenue, so let's not pretend like Mark Davis is in poverty. While we're talking about this, remember davis offered to put up $500M for a stadium in oakland. The League has this kind of money. It could float bonds for new stadiums, it just sets a bad precedent when they're trying to squeeze the same money free out of the taxpayer. I love football as a sport, but gently caress it so hard as a business.
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The Chargers really didn't try that hard to get a new stadium- 1. A 2003 proposal to redevelop the Qualcomm site had drawings and a conceptual $400M financing outline: Chargers to pay half for free land. 2. An offer from National City for the team to develop 52 acres controlled by the Port and railroad that collapsed with no formal team plan. 3. A study of land in Chula Vista paid for by the Chargers that found two possible stadium sites but involved no formal team financing plan. 4. Discussion of building a stadium and office space in Oceanside, an idea that doesn’t pencil out and thus never includes a financing plan. 5. A suggestion from a national developer to build an Oceanside stadium and shopping center, all together now, with no team financing plan. 6. The possibility of buying a bunch of land in Escondido in 2009 to cobble together a stadium site, which quickly falls apart with no plan. 7. A plan hatched in 2009 to transform several East Village sites, including an operating busyard, into a stadium built with team/NFL$400M. 8. The 10th Avenue Marine Terminal site plan pushed most publicly by then-U-T ownership in 2012 without support from city or team officials. 9. Public officials’ new Mission Valley idea, which the team met with opposition, refusing to negotiate let alone consider a financing plan. So, one plan 5 years after they signed a 20-year lease and half right after the worst financial crisis in recent history. And no negotiation with the current mayor. Also, Oceanside, Escondido, etc are not part of the city of San Diego.
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Glass of Milk posted:The Chargers really didn't try that hard to get a new stadium- Don't ruin Dean Spanos and Mark Fabiani's narrative! They submitted nine plans and the city rejected every single one of them and refused to cooperate!!!
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King Hong Kong posted:Angelopolis divisa erit in partes tres, quarum unam incolent Arietes, aliam Piratae, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Equi Bellatores, nostra "poo poo Tacos" appellantur.   I bought an English translation because I'm a filthy Barbarian
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The other thing I'm thinking is that, even if the Chargers are forced to come back to SD, there's no way the city is gonna vote to enrich Spanos after this whole thing. Maybe if they had a different owner, but not him.
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Let me preface my question by saying that I don't know much about this. If they have a stadium deal in St. Louis wouldn't it bode poorly for future public shakedowns if the league let the Rams move anyway? Also, I get that St. Louis is a baseball town, but the product on the football field has been poo poo for almost a decade and people go still.
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