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Soothing Vapors posted:if (god forbid) we are made to endure 13 more episodes of Jessica Jones I'm sure Netflix isn't going to Clockwork Orange you if there's a second season.
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Jan 2, 2016 17:33
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enraged_camel posted:13 episodes was fine. Sure, it wasn't as action-packed as Daredevil, which probably made it feel more drawn-out, but they did a really good job with character-building and there wasn't too much cruft. Yeah, I felt like JJ used it length much better than DD, which I felt had a lot of superfluous bits. That may be because "Daredevil beating answers out of people" was not interesting to me, where as Jessical chatting with Trish comprised some of the best scenes in JJ.
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Aphrodite posted:They probably would have failed to write a proper 10 then. Another problem both Daredevil and JJ share (with every netflix show I've watched) is that every episode is like an hour long because they dont need to save time for commercials. Really, more aggressive editing would be a good thing PerniciousKnid posted:I'm sure Netflix isn't going to Clockwork Orange you if there's a second season. I meant the collective we, as in humanity itself will be diminished
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Jan 2, 2016 18:34
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Soothing Vapors posted:Another problem both Daredevil and JJ share (with every netflix show I've watched) is that every episode is like an hour long because they dont need to save time for commercials. Really, more aggressive editing would be a good thing I don't really agree with this for either show. I think they used their time pretty effectively. If they had edited more out, we probably would have just lost little Foggy-Bear moments and poo poo, which were some of the best "non-plot-relevant" things in the show.
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Jan 2, 2016 18:50
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TVIV seems to hate character-building and world-building in general. If a scene doesn't directly advance the plot, it's viewed as a waste of time. Which is a shame.
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enraged_camel posted:TVIV seems to hate character-building and world-building in general. If a scene doesn't directly advance the plot, it's viewed as a waste of time. Which is a shame. I think that's a bit unfar to TVIV. I think it's probably true of a majority of comic book adaption fans though.
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Jan 2, 2016 20:12
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Foggy's comedy relief stuff was terrible. He became interesting around the old lady's apartment episode but before that he was a CBS sitcom character.
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Aphrodite posted:Foggy's comedy relief stuff was terrible. I personally see that as how Matt Murdock perceives Foggy. Their whole relationship is somewhat manipulative, with Matt seeming to look down on Foggy for not being all super and cool like he is. This also is how the audience initially perceives him. The audience then sees Foggy away from Matt, and realizes he's got a lot of empathy and compassion and he's actively trying to make the world a better place. Contrasted to Matt, whose actions could very easily be seen as selfish or self-destructive while offering little in the way of real help to the people he claims to be trying to save. Our perception of Foggy changes, but Matt's doesn't. He's blind to his friend's true strength. Then they have their falling out, and by the end we get a kind of cutesy joke moment that works because it shows that both characters are now accepting of each other entirely, and the goofy comedy stuff is less "fat dumb Foggy isn't as cool as Matt" and more "Matt and Foggy are good friends".
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Jan 2, 2016 22:21
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Matt & Foggy, avocados at law I like their relationship and portrayal, but good God, why would they ever fight for Mrs Carnitas to stay in that dilapidated shithole. Especially when offered huge sums and relocation. Screw your principles vs evil Fisk, she's living in a post-apocalyptic crackhouse.
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Jan 2, 2016 22:27
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The show was clearly going for an anti-gentrification thing, but you're right, the way it's portrayed in the show there's really no sane reason given for why Mrs. Carnitas would want to stay in her building other than pure sentiment.
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Jan 2, 2016 22:51
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Zsinjeh posted:Matt & Foggy, avocados at law I kind of figured that she's old and stubborn and is being forcibly relocated from her home and that's not very cool even under the best of circumstances. I mean, I know folks--generally rural folks--who live in lovely trailer houses on some beat up lot of land, but they've been there for generations and wouldn't even think of leaving. People get attached to their spot, and especially when they get old. Didn't she tell a bunch of stories about how she raised seven kids or whatever in that apartment? Stuff like that. Plus it's New York, so you got that New York Pride nonsense happening It's not pragmatic or anything, but she's happy there and the bad guys want her to get out for no good reasons.
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Snak posted:I think that's a bit unfar to TVIV. I think it's probably true of a majority of comic book adaption fans though. The problem is that the comic fans have already been through the character development the non comic fans need.
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I enjoyed the character development that Foggy got and how his friendship with Matt went, since both involved serving the poo poo out of Matt's stupidity.
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Soothing Vapors posted:I meant the collective we, as in humanity itself will be diminished You don't have to watch it, you know. Or post in the thread Or at all, really
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I kind of figured that she's old and stubborn and is being forcibly relocated from her home and that's not very cool even under the best of circumstances. Or maybe it's just my Socialist Scandinavian Wholesome Values but that place was a loving warzone not fit for human life.
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Zsinjeh posted:Yeah I can see how they were trying to aim for that, but it just fell a bit flat for me. Especially when Matt and Foggy are trying to go for the sensible "doing what's best for the client because we're good guys". The state of that place made it clear to me the very least try to move her out of there at least temporarily so they can try and get work done on it. Well, a bomb literally went off there around episode 3 or 4 EDIT: Oh, but yeah, that's how most American low-income hovels look. Especially if you are old and/or lazy and don't clean much. She actually seemed to keep her clutter very well maintained for being ancient as the stones.
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Also a major plot point was that the Kingpin goons were coming in and actively destroying the place to make it uninhabitable. It probably looked like poo poo on it's own, but they did come in and rip out pipes and the like before the residents drove them off.
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Samizdata posted:The problem is that the specific comic fans have already been through the character development the non comic fans need. Adjuested that. I'm a comic fan, but not a Daredevil comic fan, specifically. I haven't been through the character development yet, but I get what you're aiming for. Chokes McGee posted:You don't have to watch it, you know. Sorry, Chokes. He doesn't get hints. At all.
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Gyges posted:Also a major plot point was that the Kingpin goons were coming in and actively destroying the place to make it uninhabitable. It probably looked like poo poo on it's own, but they did come in and rip out pipes and the like before the residents drove them off. It was like the inverse of the Yakuza, who would tend to fix up lovely neighborhoods so they could have a base somewhere in 'em and the grateful people would keep quiet about their illicit poo poo.
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Skippy McPants posted:The show was clearly going for an anti-gentrification thing, but you're right, the way it's portrayed in the show there's really no sane reason given for why Mrs. Carnitas would want to stay in her building other than pure sentiment. Well generally new places aren't rent controlled. Also it's already on the owners to fix it up so it's not a shithole. I work in tenant advocacy and buyout money generally disappears way faster than anybody expects. Depressingly often it's better to keep the tenant in the lovely hovel because the realistic alternative is homelessness. Though I'm also in San Francisco where all property is at absurd pricing.
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And really the whole point of DD's story is "Gentrification is evil".
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Soylentbits posted:Well generally new places aren't rent controlled. Also it's already on the owners to fix it up so it's not a shithole. I work in tenant advocacy and buyout money generally disappears way faster than anybody expects. Depressingly often it's better to keep the tenant in the lovely hovel because the realistic alternative is homelessness. Though I'm also in San Francisco where all property is at absurd pricing. I'd say that's fairly representative of NY too. If she had taken the deal her best case scenarios probably would have been to move far away from the city/neighborhoods she knows and/or move into some kind of retirement community. There was a fair amount of stubbornness involved on all parties part that they wanted to stand up against the gentrification of their neighborhood as well as the outright evil methods being used by bad people they didn't want to win, but even if everyone had swallowed their principles it still probably wasn't some kind of great deal for Mrs. Carnitas. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Jan 3, 2016 |
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I loved all of the character development stuff, I just thought the show got stuck in a "we caught Kilgrave!" "he got away!" cycle just a bit too much.
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Soylentbits posted:Well generally new places aren't rent controlled. Also it's already on the owners to fix it up so it's not a shithole. I work in tenant advocacy and buyout money generally disappears way faster than anybody expects. Depressingly often it's better to keep the tenant in the lovely hovel because the realistic alternative is homelessness. Though I'm also in San Francisco where all property is at absurd pricing. Oh yeah, I get all that. I'm just saying that the show itself didn't do a great job of relating what you just said to the viewer.
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blue squares posted:I loved all of the character development stuff, I just thought the show got stuck in a "we caught Kilgrave!" "he got away!" cycle just a bit too much. I liked that part a lot, actually. It showed how elusive, calculating and manipulative he was. He always had a backup plan based on exploiting Jessica's and her friends' weaknesses. Even when he wasn't mind-controlling them, he was controlling them.
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enraged_camel posted:I liked that part a lot, actually. It showed how elusive, calculating and manipulative he was. He always had a backup plan based on exploiting Jessica's and her friends' weaknesses. Even when he wasn't mind-controlling them, he was controlling them. He had a backup plan like once, which actually worked. After that, it's "take a shot on the Lawyer that he's never met" and "be in the same apartment when an angry mob shows up to beat up Jessica".
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He escaped from the glass room by out-manipulating Jessica, who was trying to get him to confess and went so far as to bring his parents in.
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The only one that was really stupid was the angry support group beatdown that freed him. That was just pure luck for Kilgrave, which doesn't fit with his character. Plus the whole thing was just contrived
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Yeah I agree with that. The neighbor girl shouldn't have been able to bring down Jessica like that.
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omg enraged camel said something negative about Jessica Jones...
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blue squares posted:omg enraged camel said something negative about Jessica Jones... Miracles do happen
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Man I hated Reuben's sister. I wish she died instead of Reuben
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Daredevil Season 2 to Debut March 25th Against Batman V Superman yo dog we heard you liked comic books so we're giving you a comic book to watch after you watch your comic book
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All the media is framing this as DAREDEVIL VS BATMAN VS SUPERMAN SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY but I don't see how they in any way conflict.
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HIJK posted:Daredevil Season 2 to Debut March 25th Against Batman V Superman 1. Late March is a really weird release date for a major superhero film release. 2. No contest for me, staying home for Daredevil because gently caress Zack Snyder.
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Ensign_Ricky posted:1. Late March is a really weird release date for a major superhero film release. That's like what, 3 weeks earlier than season 1 came out?
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