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THC posted:Here are the regular columnists for the nationally circulated newspaper that published a piece warning white men are being silenced Why do half their portraits look like they belong on an awful version of the 5 dollar bill?
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Gus Hobbleton posted:Every time someone complains about trigger warnings or poo poo being too PC all I can picture is some dude screaming racial epithets in public and then throwing a giant tantrum when someone tells him to tone it down. So basically you imagine the comments section on the CBC website.
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Sounds like my friend who listens to too much Bill Burr (who has outright said he's just telling jokes but some people take it way too seriously).
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quote:Statistics Canada: Agency to Hire 35,000 Temporary Employees to Work on 2016 Census, Official Says itshappening.gif we are getting information about our Country again
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InfiniteZero posted:So basically you imagine the comments section on the CBC website. Yes. Basically I am imagining what is literally happening, which doesn't take much imagination, I admit. *EDIT* It's even better when you see people posting dumb poo poo like this on facebook and saying "It would be funny if it weren't true!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM Trigger warning: Bad opinions
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Jan 5, 2016 17:58
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I'm surprised the OLP isn't covering the legal fees for Laura Miller but it's nice to see Dwight Duncan and John Yap kicking a bit in. https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/315Nh5 Edit: Jesus H Christ quote:Anonymous gave $10,000
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That's like 250 million dollars+. Didn't realize the cost was that high.
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Vintersorg posted:Sounds like my friend who listens to too much Bill Burr (who has outright said he's just telling jokes but some people take it way too seriously). I've found a lot of people don't realize that Bill Burr is actually making fun of the poo poo he "gets angry" at. He's good at highlighting how ridiculous people are about hating and ranting against "political correctness". His show F is for Family is pretty good at showing that the people with those opinions are usually lovely people who are selfish and just don't realize how idiotic their rantings are and how they are failing to keep up with the times.
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Gonna need to do some digging but I read an article a few months ago outlining some psychological studies that indicate that while no we don't want to try to treat traumatic experiences by strapping them in to a chair and forcing them to watch similar events like Clockwork Orange, the level of sheltering being demanded by people these days is showing evidence of being counterintuitive and serves to make people overly sensitive to mental stress.
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DariusLikewise posted:Why do half their portraits look like they belong on an awful version of the 5 dollar bill?
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So do we have PR and legal weed yet?
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ZShakespeare posted:So do we have PR and legal weed yet? https://www.trudeaumetre.ca/ under Security quote:MARIJUANA Who cares about PR when WEED IS LEGAL rite guys
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jm20 posted:Not started Notstarted Security Bhang Brownies Cannabis Doobie Grass Hemp Herb Joint Pétard Pot Stoned Weed Space Cake Indeed.
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As if we needed another reason to burn the Sun to the ground. Lets make a quiz about a missing (and most likely murdered womans) hair colour!
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Speaking of weed and Liberals Yes, I have contacted all my friends in MP offices
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bunnyofdoom posted:Speaking of weed and Liberals Dispensaries already mail weed, that article sucks. also, if you are interested in  in Mississauga I may know some dispensaries for  research purposes
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http://www.friends.ca/news-item/13500 "A first-of-its-kind independent economic forecast shows regulatory changes espoused by the Harper government and adopted in last year’s CRTC Let’s Talk TV announcements will likely lead to the loss of more than 15,000 Canadian jobs and take $1.4 billion from the Canadian economy annually by 2020." Another good policy with positive long-term economic effects done by Harper Canada.
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EvilJoven posted:Gonna need to do some digging but I read an article a few months ago outlining some psychological studies that indicate that while no we don't want to try to treat traumatic experiences by strapping them in to a chair and forcing them to watch similar events like Clockwork Orange, the level of sheltering being demanded by people these days is showing evidence of being counterintuitive and serves to make people overly sensitive to mental stress. I think there's an obvious compromise to be struck here. I think people have the right to be warned about things that might be offensive or troubling. I don't think they have any right to avoid those things entirely, most especially in an academic context, but also in wider society. No one has the right to permanently avoid being offended, regardless of whether we ought to warn people about potentially offensive material.
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Potentially offensive humour and politics always brings me back to this lady.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Potentially offensive humour and politics always brings me back to this lady.
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THC posted:Someone needs to inform this slit-eyed humourless bitch that she has no right to not be offended. Of course she has no right to not be offended. By the same token, no one else has the right to threaten her because of her opinions, or claim that she's inherently wrong for being offended. I think Jon Stewart probably acted improperly in response in this case.
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THC posted:Someone needs to inform this slit-eyed humourless bitch that she has no right to not be offended. 
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Rosemary Barton is the new permanent host of power and politics.
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Kafka Esq. posted:Rosemary Barton is the new permanent host of power and politics. She will never sleep again, but did she ever to begin with hmmm.
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PT6A posted:Of course she has no right to not be offended. By the same token, no one else has the right to threaten her because of her opinions, or claim that she's inherently wrong for being offended. I think Jon Stewart probably acted improperly in response in this case. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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THC posted:Any time anyone calls out racism anywhere, someone invariably pops up to respond along those lines. That they're just overly sensitive, don't have a sense of humour, trying to shut down debate, don't have the right, etc, and should shut up basically. Maybe the actual problem is racism, not people who fight racism. I don't think she's over sensitive, and I don't think she doesn't have a sense of humour. It seems like she responded vey eloquently, in fact. She absolutely has the right to take offence, as everyone does; she does not have the right to live in a world where she is never offended. No one does. The people who fight racism aren't the problem, it's folks on either side that try to silence free speech. Everyone has the inherent right to say whatever offensive nonsense they want, and face the consequences as they come. Without an actual threat to public safety, we should absolutely not abridge the freedom of speech. Popular speech does not require protection; we ought not exercise our judgement as to whether certain speech should be forbidden, except at the point where it's inescapably harmful. Edit: I don't think the woman in question is trying to shut down free speech by any means. She's criticising what someone chose to do with their free speech, which is of course a perfectly acceptable thing to do even if I don't agree with her completely. PT6A fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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The supposed problem of white men having their speech abridged, is massively overblown. I would even go as far as to call it "made-up" and "imaginary".
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THC posted:The supposed problem of white men having their speech abridged, is massively overblown. I would even go as far as to call it "made-up" and "imaginary". I couldn't agree more. However one of the ironies of contemporary liberalism is that the collapse of a genuine leftist movement or intellectual tradition has meant that certain liberal projects such as state sponsored multiculturalism are only ever criticized from the right. Inevitably that means that the criticisms get refracted through the prism of right wing ideology: in this case it means, specifically, that concerns about the decline of social solidarity gets reworked into a complaint about "white men" being "silenced." You can see a similar thing happening in the US right now: the long term decline of the left has created a vacuum which Donald Trump is now filling. If you ignore Trump's comments on race then many of his points about recent American leadership are hard to argue with: the government did a disastrous job in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, trade deals have screwed over regular American workers, American politicians are completely captured by corporate special interests and big money donors, etc. Canada's commitment to multicultralism and pluralism is nice on paper but on deeper reflection it has aspects that can and should be criticized. The decline of a mainstream consensus, for instance, may shift the balance of social power even further toward big capital. The celebration of "difference" may disguise an overall indifference to the plight of refugees or temporary foreign workers once they arrive in the country. The celebrations of other cultures may serve to distract us from the incredible structural barriers faced by racialized Canadians, etc. And in other cases our commitment to tolerance may cause us to overlook the private tyrannies of religion and the family -- institutions that don't deserve automatic protection or deference. In the case of the particular article you're mocking I think its really easy to get hung up on the stupid things he says. But I think he makes some good points as well and I also don't think he's making the kind of simple minded coded racist appeal that you're pretending he is. Someone who takes social justice seriously has an obligation to actually consider criticisms of liberal shibboleths like multiculturalism, because quite often those policies are just a superficial gloss put over whatever policies will provide the great benefit to our corporate and political rulers. When the left (or liberals) refuse to participate in critical discussions of the programs or ideas they support, or when they dismiss any criticize as merely springing from white racial anxiety, they cede a lot of important ideological ground. Based on history (as well as current events in other parts of the world) this is a very dangerous strategy because it lends fascists and right wing nutcases with an air of authenticity, making it seem as though they're willing to espouse the dark truths that liberals and leftists want to suppress about modern society.
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Helsing stop posting on these worthless forums that don't deserve you and go make a well respected blog or what ever people with good opinions who can communicate them well do these days. Or do both! But seriously you're really slumming it here with those wonderful effort posts, but I love reading them.
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Helsing posted:
In short: Telling people their concerns aren't real has never changed anyone's mind and never will. They'll just drift to the person who will say their concerns are VERY important. Only these days, the refuge of left to right isn't always the path people take. Now they go left to libertarian, left to fascist, left to MRA, or left to MLP. It's all a spectrum of left flight. 
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I don't discount your critique of multiculturalism, in fact I agree with most of them. Especially multiculturalism/pluralism as a cover for policies that enrich corporations and oligarchs. Dosanjh however wrongly blames "political correctness" for the issues he raises. Read: the decline in the acceptability of xenophobic appeals in public discourse. I.e.: concerns about racist undertones in discussions of housing issues. And being a Liberal, he won't go anywhere near the economic and fiscal policies of his party, or the corruption and favouritism that is inherent in our political system.
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I've been saying to friends for a while now that it's impossible to criticize the left without either being lumped into the right, or having the right co-opt your criticism (especially when they're valid), but you did a much better job of explaining that and also going into detail about why that is, and how we've gotten to that point over the last few decades. THC posted:Dosanjh however wrongly blames "political correctness" for the issues he raises. Read: the decline in the acceptability of xenophobic appeals in public discourse. I.e.: concerns about racist undertones in discussions of housing issues. I have doubts that this is a honest appraisal. If you genuinely believe that he's mistaken in the attribution here, can you tell us specifically what's driving the reactions described here?: quote:A recent study by Andy Yan looked at multimillion dollar mansions on Vancouver's west side that are being bought with foreign money. He argued it was about recent foreign money not race. Yan, an urban planner and adjunct professor at UBC, was hurriedly excoriated for "fanning" racism. edit: Maybe I can phrase this better. The way you write, it sounds like you're dismissing "political correctness" entirely as something that doesn't exist. I'm suggesting that it's a tool that's being actively abused to silence talk about and cover up deeper flaws within our system. Do you think that's plausible?
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You loving assholes!!!! I criticize the left all the time you fucks
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There certainly are illegitimate charges of racism flying about, and your quote describes a specific instance, and that's fine and we can talk about that. But as far as when someone tells me something to the effect that the Chinese are invading (we let them in), that they're erasing our culture (laughable), taking "our" land, like Canadians and especially whites have some kind of special privilege to Canadian real estate, when clearly only those who can afford to pay have that privilege, that is racism and I will call it out as such. Also, whenever I've seen TFWP critics being accused of racism, those accusations were readily dismissed by leftist participants. That is unless the accusations actually had merit, which they sometimes did, though not as often as when we are talking about housing. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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is that idea that Canadians should have "special privilege: to Canadian real estate racist? Imagine i underlined the word Canadian in that last sentence. What do locals gain by inflated housing costs?
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Lumius posted:What do locals gain by inflated housing costs? A free out from having to attend your strata meeting as it's now conducted in some bullshit moon language.
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