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There will never be an acceptable meat substitute until we can grow actual meat in tanks; all other options are made less appetizing by attempting to imitate meat. Soy and mushrooms can both be delicious in other contexts.
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Quorum posted:There will never be an acceptable meat substitute until we can grow actual meat in tanks; all other options are made less appetizing by attempting to imitate meat. Soy and mushrooms can both be delicious in other contexts. Morels taste just like beef but they're very expensive.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:22
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Radbot posted:Raise college tuition prices, funnel the extra revenue to a Mike Rowe Dirty Jobs Program. Problem solved. Possibly the dumbest "solution" yet. Gating talented youth behind their ability to afford college is draining this country of scientists and engineers.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:24
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zoux posted:
So she was for his citizenship before she was against it? Does that make her a flip flopper?
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Jan 6, 2016 19:25
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Quorum posted:There will never be an acceptable meat substitute until we can grow actual meat in tanks; all other options are made less appetizing by attempting to imitate meat. Soy and mushrooms can both be delicious in other contexts. Yeah, I just wish they would stop using meat terminology when it doesn't look anything like the meat. Just tell me it's loving tofu or beans.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:25
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Talmonis posted:Possibly the dumbest "solution" yet. Gating talented youth behind their ability to afford college is draining this country of scientists and engineers. Also, gently caress Mike Rowe forever.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:25
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computer parts posted:Most of that issue is solved if you make college inexpensive or free. I'm sure there's some people who depend on their 18 year old to provide income for them, but they're probably skipping college already. It takes some steps towards fixing issues of inequality, in allowing people of low socioeconomic status to attend college more easily. But it doesn't solve the fundamental issue that it shouldn't be necessary to go to college to gain employment in many fields where it is currently necessary to do so, or the other issue (that is just as problematic) that fields that one can get into without going to college (e.g. think trades) are viewed with disdain and pay little. Because the issue is much more complicated than "minorities and the poor can't get to college"; jobs that they can get have been suppressed in terms of prestige and income. Presumably BECAUSE it is minorities and the poor who currently occupy those jobs. Making college affordable (and free, ideally) for everyone is absolutely something that should occur. But it won't fix the problems that allowed universities to raise tuition in the first place.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:27
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Even if I hadn't needed to go to college(which I did, as the 2 ways into the profession I wanted were connections or education, and I didn't have any connections), the very act of going to college was so very good for me. Due to bullying from grade school through high school I was extremely introverted and rarely ever talked to anyone except over the internet. Hell, my entire life was the internet pretty much. Then I went to college and lived in the dorms, where I was first forced to socialize by a girl who remains one of my closest friends to this day, and through her met other people who I continue to be good friends with. I finally learned how to socialize with people and make friends, and eventually was even able to make other friends at my university on my own, who also continue to be my good friends still. If I hadn't gone to college I probably would have continued to be extremely introverted and never able to talk to anyone.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:27
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Talmonis posted:Possibly the dumbest "solution" yet. Gating talented youth behind their ability to afford college is draining this country of scientists and engineers. We don't need more scientists and engineers, we need more people willing to do Good American Jobs. Scientists and engineers can be imported.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:28
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Full Battle Rattle posted:real talk i don't even like meat that much but I bet vegan jerky tastes like mid-shelf dog treats We have a local business here that makes it and it's not too bad. Super expensive though for what you get.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:29
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Jan 6, 2016 19:29
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Shakugan posted:Making college affordable (and free, ideally) for everyone is absolutely something that should occur. But it won't fix the problems that allowed universities to raise tuition in the first place. You mean having states cut back on their funding?
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Jan 6, 2016 19:32
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Also, gently caress Mike Rowe forever. Yeah, he seriously does not understand privilege and is a big piece of poo poo about it.  S.W.E.A.T. Pledge posted:1. I believe that I have won the greatest lottery of all time. I am alive. I walk the Earth. I live in America. Above all things, I am grateful.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:32
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Radbot posted:We don't need more scientists and engineers, we need more people willing to do Good American Jobs. Scientists and engineers can be imported. If only we would actually be willing to import them!
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Jan 6, 2016 19:35
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Radbot posted:We don't need more scientists and engineers, we need more people willing to do Good American Jobs. Scientists and engineers can be imported. This sounds like it just creates a vicious cycle of nativism and rabid nationalism. Imported professionals will take all the upper middle class jobs causing laborers and manufacturers to push their kids to go to college and get  an education. When those kids don't get jobs and work starts slowing down the laborers will start complaining about how they did everything right, still haven't achieved the American dream, and start railing against all those foreign professionals because they took all the good jobs. Queue immigration quotas and pushing for more Good American Jobs.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:37
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Not denying that college has benefits that can extend far beyond job preparation. In general, I'm wholly against college being specifically for the purpose of job preparation (which is admittedly a problem that many other countries have). I just think that, for those who choose (through virtue of having the choice due to an affordable college system) not to go should not be stigmatized for the rest of their lives, and should have paths through life that do no involve working paycheck to paycheck with 3 simultaneous jobs. I'm very fortunate to be in a position of extreme privilege with regard to college since I have a full tuition waver and stipend at an Ivy, but that's why I'm so conscious of people who don't want to be here, shouldn't need to be here, and are taking on soul crushingly huge debt solely because society places an unnecessarily large value on degrees. Particularly true for masters students, since undergrads here have good financial aid (though of course, Ivy's skewing to admit people who don't need the financial aid is a problem) and PhDs get paid for their work and full tuition wavers; I know plenty of masters students who are taking on 75k a year of debt in fields where the degree doesn't serve any real purpose. I regularly interact with absurdly rich people, but for every such person, there's 3 people shouldering crushing debt for no reason other than "it's what's done". EDIT: quote:You mean having states cut back on their funding? No. Sure, that may be part of the reason why universities have increased their tuition costs (another part being the rise of the administrator class), but I'm talking about the reason why the students are willing to pay those increased tuition costs. Because university is valued so highly in US society; you are a failure in life if you did not graduate from college. Jobs that don't require a college education to succeed at require a degree for no discernible reason. A big reason that costs have been able to rise as much as they have is that the degree is considered "worth it", regardless of the huge pricetag. Which, tying in with the above, is a problem precisely because of how closely linked college and the perception of "job readiness" are. This problem doesn't disappear when college is made free. Arcanen fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 19:40
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Roy Moore is back: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_alabama_chief_justice_issues_order_blocking_same_sex_marriage_licenses quote:The Chief Justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court Wednesday morning issued an order to all probate judges to not issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Judge Roy Moore claims a previous order issued by his court in March remains in effect, and warns those judges that they "have a ministerial duty not to issue any marriage license contrary" to Alabama state law and its constitution.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:43
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mcmagic posted:Wait so she doesn't like Cruz? she's saying that cruz was born outside of the us but it's ok because his mom was a citizen, unlike obama, who clearly is an illegal immigrant because he was born outside of the us and only his mother was a citizen
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Jan 6, 2016 19:44
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Shakugan posted:Not denying that college has benefits that can extend far beyond job preparation. In general, I'm wholly against college being specifically for the purpose of job preparation (which is admittedly a problem that many other countries have). I just think that, for those who choose (through virtue of having the choice due to an affordable college system) not to go should not be stigmatized for the rest of their lives, and should have paths through life that do no involve working paycheck to paycheck with 3 simultaneous jobs. I was very privileged too to get Princeton fully paid for by my parents even though I didn't take full advantage of it, but I do think that Princeton does a good job of providing funding for everyone. When I was there about 50% of the students were grants and had work study and I never felt the work was degrading even though the jobs ranged from library clerk to kitchen staff. Princeton is lucky to have an endowment that can do something like that. However, I'm sure there were plenty of blue bloods at the school that looked down on them but didn't do things like spill food on the floor and demand they clean it up. But when it's the government helping people it's tyranny. 
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Obama's speech was pretty retarded and not at all surprising coming from him. https://popehat.com/2016/01/05/president-obama-and-the-rhetoric-of-rights/ Remember when Dems tended to be more skeptical of expansions to the no-fly list? Instead of like almost all dems in the Senate voting to expand it to guns? Good times.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:Obama's speech was pretty retarded and not at all surprising coming from him. https://popehat.com/2016/01/05/president-obama-and-the-rhetoric-of-rights/ Uhhhhh. He's actually only asking that Laws that are already on the Federal books be enforced. Now, don't take this the wrong way (you will), but he actually knows Constitutional Law. I'm pretty sure he's not retarded and maybe you're just a little angry because 'GUNZ'. And I suggest you read the end of his post: He doesn't disagree with what Obama said, he only disagrees with the wording.
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Rick_Hunter posted:I was very privileged too to get Princeton fully paid for by my parents even though I didn't take full advantage of it, but I do think that Princeton does a good job of providing funding for everyone. When I was there about 50% of the students were grants and had work study and I never felt the work was degrading even though the jobs ranged from library clerk to kitchen staff. Princeton is lucky to have an endowment that can do something like that. However, I'm sure there were plenty of blue bloods at the school that looked down on them but didn't do things like spill food on the floor and demand they clean it up. It definitely pays to be conscious of continuing degree creep though. Because while Princeton is indeed pretty good at undergraduate and doctoral funding; it makes an enormous amount of money from masters students. The only funding that ever makes the news is undergrad funding, hence why elite universities make a point of advertising how you don't pay anything you can't afford for bachelors degrees. But nothing is said of the aforementioned masters students who are paying $70k in tuition and living expenses in order to get jobs that 15 years ago only needed bachelors degrees.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:55
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CommieGIR posted:Uhhhhh. He's actually only asking that Laws that are already on the Federal books be enforced. My post is applies to his attitude whether or not the Second ever existed or how it's interpreted. "Only" disagreeing with poo poo wording on rights is a big disagreement.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:56
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DeusExMachinima posted:My post is applies to his attitude whether or not the Second ever existed or how it's interpreted. "Only" disagreeing with poo poo wording on rights is a big disagreement. I seem to recall an Emancipation Proclamation doing something similar... But either way, maybe you shouldn't cite a page that basically agrees with him and only disagrees with the wording and then go on about how retarded a Constitutional Lawyer is in interpreting the Constitution.
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Jan 6, 2016 19:58
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CommieGIR posted:Constitutional Lawyer is in interpreting the Constitution. TROPE 8!
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CommieGIR posted:I seem to recall an Emancipation Proclamation doing something similar... This is unclear. Doing something to similar to what?
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Jan 6, 2016 20:01
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This troper worries about a Slippery Slope.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:03
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Talmonis posted:Possibly the dumbest "solution" yet. Gating talented youth behind their ability to afford college is draining this country of scientists and engineers. Do we really have a shortage of STEM graduates though? I've never seen any data supporting it and I thought it was just a talking point from the Zuckerbergs of the world who want unlimited H1-B visas.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:04
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Trabisnikof posted:TROPE 8! Because a guy calling someone retarded for using his legal powers to enforce laws already on the books is so deep. DeusExMachinima posted:This is unclear. Doing something to similar to what? It established a Government precedent, and since Obama's speech, regardless of the wording, was about laws already legally enforceable on the Federal law books, its not nearly as retarded as you'd like it to be.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:04
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Mulva posted:Yeah, he seriously does not understand privilege and is a big piece of poo poo about it. What is so upsetting about this? #10?
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Jan 6, 2016 20:05
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CommieGIR posted:Because a guy calling someone retarded for using his legal powers to enforce laws already on the books is so deep. oh lawl. His EO was a total snooze if that's what you mean, sure. His speech obviously was about the additional hypothetical gun control he still believes in, and his arguments sucked balls from a rights-based perspective. As could be expected from his treatment of them and rationalizations on other topics in the past.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:06
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zoux posted:
I so very strongly pray that Carson ends up quoting a Gundam series like how Herman Cain quoted Pokemon. Elections need more anime. zoux posted:
Ann Coulter is a pandering moron, this is not a new development. Rick_Hunter posted:Someone posted an article about a vegan butcher shop opening up in their area. The accompanying picture of vegan steak looked worse than the fatty, gristled steaks you get from Golden Corral. Isn't "vegan steak" just going to be a mash of something like black bean or tofu?
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DeusExMachinima posted:oh lawl. His EO was a total snooze if that's what you mean, sure. His speech obviously was about the gun control he still believes in, and his arguments sucked balls from a rights-based perspective. As could be expected from his treatment of them and rationalizations on other topics in the past. The laws he plans to enforce are already on the books But yes, let's keep buying the slippery slope argument and continue with name calling. On the other hand, its retarded for you to think that doing nothing is actually worthwhile, or were you counting on more thoughts and prayers to do something? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 20:07
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Mr. Nice! posted:What is so upsetting about this? #10? Uh, how are people entitled to "the pursuit of happiness"? Is this another "I can't tell the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution" thing again? And his BOOTSTRAPS manifesto is hilariously bad advice if you're not a ditch digger. I can't even imagine what a lovely life I'd lead if I volunteered for every project I could be apart of in the corporate world, or if I believed that "there are no bad jobs" so I would never advance my career. Radbot fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 20:08
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Full Battle Rattle posted:How are they going to get these desperately needed supplies to those brave patriots? It's actually fine. Like most meat substitutes for stuff like this, the flavor is in the seasoning and not from the meat itself. I doubt you'd even notice the difference. PETA is still dumb as poo poo though since it's actually edible and useful (and probably tasty inasmuch as jerky can be tasty) so it's a terrible troll.
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I'm not sure about PETA so I gave money to the ASPCA or whoever it was that ran the abused animal commercial, and I felt they probably did something about it, whereas PETA would make an ad with Lena Dunham or something.
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CommieGIR posted:The laws he plans to enforce are already on the books But that's the trip-up. Popehat wasn't talking about the actual actions, just the rhetoric. So people can waltz in and diss the actions as whimpy and low-energy while also decrying the words as bad America-hurting words.
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Jan 6, 2016 20:11
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CommieGIR posted:The laws he plans to enforce are already on the books The actual lesson, which is being demonstrated aptly, is that it's pointless to try to reason with gun people and instead you just have to go around them in order to actually do worthwhile things. Their whining means it's working.
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CommieGIR posted:The laws he plans to enforce are already on the books The laws his EO concerned, yes. But come on, we know the speech was about wider gun control in topic as well. quote:But yes, let's keep buying the slipper slope argument and continue with name calling. This terrible rights-based attitude is such a slippery slope. Next thing you know he'll be droning American citizens or pushing for more restrictions on what people on an unaccountable no-fly list can do. Oh wait. quote:On the other hand, its retarded for you to think that doing nothing is actually worthwhile, or were you counting on more thoughts and prayers to do something? Mass shootings aren't worth doing anything about, so the efficacy of thoughts and prayers don't really come into it for me. And I value not creating victimless possession crimes aka prohibiting and confiscating handguns (which is what it'd take) over avoiding handgun violence. So nah on both.
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