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Pastry of the Year posted:(a) the artist is ABSOLUTELY the bigger rear end in a top hat and quote:(b) all their much-vaunted charity work has its origins in basically organizing a group of early-adopting, entertainment - starved Internet nerds to go all in on the idea of "Penny Arcade fan as a lifestyle choice" and throw thousands of dollars at what was less a civic-spirited initiative and more a dogwhistle gently caress-you at Jack Thompson
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That was, at least, not a joke that treated rape as a punchline. They could have used any other terrible fate as the punchline and maintained the joke of "PCs are uncaring bastards who only care about their pocketbooks". But instead of acknowledging that rape is a touchy subject to use in any punchline, they doubled down that "RAPE JOKES ARENT TABOO YOU SJWs" and cemented themselves not as lovely comedians, but instead shifty people. Also they actually illustrated a Dickwolf in response
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Nuclear Pogostick posted:
I've seen this a hundred times and I'm convinced that I'll never get it.
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Jan 6, 2016 05:28
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Rolo posted:I've seen this a hundred times and I'm convinced that I'll never get it. The joke is that they've found a fountain of regular-rear end water, but unable to cope with the fact that the Fountain of Youth doesn't exist and they're on a fool's errand, Cortez's assistant makes up some bullshit to try and assuage his boss' disappointment. It's a pretty clever commentary on the Enlightenment and the dawn of scientific thought.
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Jan 6, 2016 05:32
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Rolo posted:I've seen this a hundred times and I'm convinced that I'll never get it. It's the fountain of doubt because drinking from it gives you a sense of doubt as to whether or not it is a fountain of doubt or whether such a thing exists. It is probably actually regular water, but the fountain of doubt is something of a parody of the kind of logic that drives conspiracies and other things where a lack of proof is proof in and of itself. But the main joke is really just equivalent to saying, "if you drink this, it will have a magical effect" "I don't feel anything" "the magical effect is that you don't feel anything" "I think I would feel something if it were magic" "but you didn't and that's the point"
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I don't know about that. Maybe it's a political commentary?
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Are you sure about that explanation? Secondary joke: Now please explain this PBF comic to me.
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Jan 6, 2016 11:16
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It does help to know that the conquistador searching for magical fountains is a running joke in Oglaf and he's successfully found many different kinds of Fountain Of X. Also: 
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Full Battle Rattle posted:
Don't forget the followup!  "Rapists, right?  "
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Jan 6, 2016 18:19
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sitchelin posted:Don't forget the followup! that comic isn't really the problem i mean, it's not great, but "calm down, nobody was hurt by our comic" isn't that insane of a thing to post it's all the things gabe did after that where it goes insane
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Jan 6, 2016 20:02
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I never felt the original comic was tasteless, really. Every mission like that in an MMO is "Help get everyone out of Terrible Situation", but because it's a game it's "Help five people out of Terrible Situation, then run off to let the rest experience Terrible Situation for all eternity". Like, I kinda get being upset over it, but not to the degree folks did.
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MisterBibs posted:I never felt the original comic was tasteless, really. Every mission like that in an MMO is "Help get everyone out of Terrible Situation", but because it's a game it's "Help five people out of Terrible Situation, then run off to let the rest experience Terrible Situation for all eternity". If he'd issued a " lol, sorry, not sorry" half-aplology and then completely dropped it, it wouldn't have been a big deal. Instead, he doubled down, backtracked, tripled down, then tried to drop it.
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Aleph Null posted:If he'd issued a " lol, sorry, not sorry" half-aplology and then completely dropped it, it wouldn't have been a big deal. Instead, he doubled down, backtracked, tripled down, then tried to drop it. Yeah, I'll admit that outside of a t-shirt, I don't really remember what he did after the apology. As a general thing, though, I must admit I'm doubtful of the "it wouldn't be a big thing" part of it, because my vague recollection of the events leading up to it was that the apology they initially issued wasn't enough for those upset by the original cartoon. And if it's not done maliciously, if the folks who were offended won't accept your apology, going a degree-or-two harder over the thing isn't that bad. But like I said, I barely remember the details after a certain point , so I'm prolly accidentally backing up some Hitler-did-nothing-level actions. MisterBibs has a new favorite as of 21:32 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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Jan 6, 2016 21:29
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theflyingorc posted:that comic isn't really the problem He even did a "Here's the deep seated psychological trauma that causes me to be an rear end, now rather than me recognize that this makes me an rear end, you should be more understanding and please go gently caress yourself" post. It was fun.
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MisterBibs posted:I never felt the original comic was tasteless, really. Every mission like that in an MMO is "Help get everyone out of Terrible Situation", but because it's a game it's "Help five people out of Terrible Situation, then run off to let the rest experience Terrible Situation for all eternity". No one really minds the frame of the joke. Using rape is a bit tasteless, but whatever it's perfectly within PA's wheelhouse so it was a bit surprising to see so much pushback. The problem was always in Gabe's inability to just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" and leave it alone. Dude's a classic example of someone whose one noteworthy technical skill allowed them to progress way further than someone of their mental and emotional development ever should have progressed.
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mind the walrus posted:No one really minds the frame of the joke. Using rape is a bit tasteless, but whatever it's perfectly within PA's wheelhouse so it was a bit surprising to see so much pushback. The problem was always in Gabe's inability to just say "I'm sorry you feel that way" and leave it alone. I mean, maybe that would be the cynically pragmatic response, but it hardly seems like it's desirable on principle.
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Jan 6, 2016 22:14
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Holy poo poo. Stop arguing about dickwolves.
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Jan 6, 2016 22:19
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Clitch posted:Holy poo poo. Stop arguing about dickwolves. It's that or Moon Over June again.
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Strudel Man posted:I'm a bit surprised to see someone take this perspective. If there's nothing really wrong with the comic in the first place, why is a non-apology like that something that he's (morally?) obligated to give? You misread. The frame of the joke about MMO NPCs is perfectly benign. The rape aspect is tasteless but nothing too unusual for PA. That's not saying there's nothing really wrong with the comic. As for your weird semiotics about whether an apology was due or not I reeaaaaalllly don't give a gently caress. Jonathan Yeah! posted:It's that or Moon Over June again. I'll post about dickwolves all night if it means no Moon Over June.
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Jan 6, 2016 22:37
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Dicks Over Wolves.
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Strudel Man posted:I'm a bit surprised to see someone take this perspective. If there's nothing really wrong with the comic in the first place, why is a non-apology like that something that he's (morally?) obligated to give? I don't think anyone is saying that is the morally/ethnically/whatever right move. They're saying that they could have avoided the problems they faced if they did that, which is true. If they'd managed to let it drop gracefully than only a small handful of people would have really cared that the comic that regularly makes rape jokes made another rape joke.
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Jan 6, 2016 23:00
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I'm not getting that poo poo in my browser history but a MOJ intervention seems necessary at this point
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NotAnArtist posted:I'm not getting that poo poo in my browser history but a MOJ intervention seems necessary at this point Dont click this 
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I think this is on-topic:
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"Wow, VGCats, I remember that. It just sort of di... it's STILL UPDATING?!"
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Tiggum posted:What does this mean? For some reason a lot of artists on Tumblr draw their characters with a darker coloured nose than the rest of their face. No idea why because in my day a cartoon character with a ruddy nose meant they were an alcoholic. Just one of those cartoon shorthand things. Anyway now as well as arbitrary red noses they Penny Arcade characters have red ears too. I can only presume they're trying to make the features "pop"?
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I read that avatar as an implicit threat.
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Have some slightly late Wondermark, it's good for the soul.  
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That is not what happens in The Wizard of Oz, book or film. There is a con man, but in one he exists in the same world in which fairies are definitely real and in the other he doesn't invent the fairies, they're just a dream Dorothy has. And within the dream, the wizard is a fraud, but the witches are real. 
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Strudel Man posted:I'm a bit surprised to see someone take this perspective. If there's nothing really wrong with the comic in the first place, why is a non-apology like that something that he's (morally?) obligated to give? There's nothing really wrong with the comic, which is why it got hardly any criticism except for one post on one feminist blog that pointed out, in extremely mild terms, that rape jokes can be hurtful and artists should think twice before making them. No one asked for an apology for the comic. Gabe saw this and went nuclear on twitter, and then posted the whiny response comic, threw twitter tantrums some more, riled up his fan base to harass the blogger, and on and on and on. That's what people think he should have apologized for, since "not doing it in the first place" is apparently impossible because of how he got bullied in elementary school.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:There's nothing really wrong with the comic, which is why it got hardly any criticism except for one post on one feminist blog that pointed out, in extremely mild terms, that rape jokes can be hurtful and artists should think twice before making them. No one asked for an apology for the comic. Shut the gently caress up about creators of law and order. 
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I'm not going to link it but I think the art got worse since Moon Over June page 1.
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You need to be quarantined and studied. Antibodies need to be drawn. Vaccines prepared. Your life as you know it is now forfeit in the name of the greater scientific good.
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wayne curr posted:I really like Moon Over June It truly is the funniest webcomic. Every time I see it I laugh until I pass out then clear my browser history.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:There's nothing really wrong with the comic, which is why it got hardly any criticism except for one post on one feminist blog that pointed out, in extremely mild terms, that rape jokes can be hurtful and artists should think twice before making them. No one asked for an apology for the comic. I think his main problem was the source of the complaints. Penny Arcade had a long proud history of telling critics to gently caress off. When Jack Thompson, or a greeting card company tries to shut them down, we all enjoy an angry rant telling them to gently caress off. Child's Play was basically started just to spite a reporter who wrote an article about videogame violence. When it's a bunch of rape victims it's not so funny. He spent years refusing to back down an inch and it finally came back to bit him. You can't really blame Gabe for the community response. Gamergate types don't need to be riled up to start harassing women.
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