Square Peg posted:

At least one NDP member is blaming Mulcair's weird centrist campaign for the election loss and asking him to step down

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“We’re no longer new,” she said wryly. “We’re certainly not democratic. And no one is having a party anywhere.”

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Canadian Press Biz ‏@CdnPress_Biz 2m

BREAKING: TransCanada says it intends to file a claim under Chapter 11 of the NAFTA in response to U.S. govt rejection of Keystone pipeline.

The Dark One posted:

The Dark One posted:

Gorau posted:

From what I've heard there's a good chance they'll win too. Too many domestic pipelines were built during the same period and other trans-border pipelines were built just before keystone was proposed. It's going to be very hard for the US to argue Trans-Canada didn't receive different treatment from domestic or other international pipeline companies. From my understanding that essentially is an automatic fail under nafta investor protection rules. You can ban or halt a certain activity (oil pipeline construction) but it has to be for the entire industry, not a single company or group of foreign companies.

The Dark One posted:

Gorau posted:

From what I've heard there's a good chance they'll win too. Too many domestic pipelines were built during the same period and other trans-border pipelines were built just before keystone was proposed. It's going to be very hard for the US to argue Trans-Canada didn't receive different treatment from domestic or other international pipeline companies. From my understanding that essentially is an automatic fail under nafta investor protection rules. You can ban or halt a certain activity (oil pipeline construction) but it has to be for the entire industry, not a single company or group of foreign companies.

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Article 1114: Environmental Measures

1. Nothing in this Chapter shall be construed to prevent a Party from adopting, maintaining or enforcing any measure otherwise consistent with this Chapter that it considers appropriate to ensure that investment activity in its territory is undertaken in a manner sensitive to environmental concerns.

CLAM DOWN posted:

It's amazing how pro-pipeline the CBC comments are now....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/transcanada-lawsuit-keystone-xl-pipeline-1.3392446

Heavy neutrino posted:

Actually, I'd be baffled if TransCanada could win despite this:


I don't know what TransCanada is going to argue, but it looks like it would have to prove that the U.S. denied Keystone XL out of discrimination, as opposed to environmental and domestic health concerns let alone any other non-discriminatory reason it might be permitted to give for refusal.

More importantly, I'd be absolutely baffled if the US ever gave a poo poo about treaty obligations. That's for weaker countries.

senae posted:

lmfao look at them pretending that nafta works on this side of the border

Heavy neutrino posted:

Actually, I'd be baffled if TransCanada could win despite this:


I don't know what TransCanada is going to argue, but it looks like it would have to prove that the U.S. denied Keystone XL out of discrimination, as opposed to environmental and domestic health concerns let alone any other non-discriminatory reason it might be permitted to give for refusal.

More importantly, I'd be absolutely baffled if the US ever gave a poo poo about treaty obligations. That's for weaker countries.

Helsing posted:

Multiculturalism, healthcare and our history of "peace keeping missions" are all used by the government and by plenty of self congratulatory citizens as evidence that we're the most benign, progressive, tolerant and forward looking country in the world. Oh sure we've got our flaws, we're not perfect no sir but you know we aren't very racist, not like those Americans with their Donald Trump, and thanks to Trudeau we're welcoming refugees again, we don't interfere in other countries' business too much and we do at least try a bit to alleviate the suffering of the unfortunate.

Meanwhile there are communities in Canada living in third world conditions, our mining companies are among the most odious international companies raping the third world, our supposedly generous social safety net is full of holes, the current generation of Canadian political leadership has oscillated between manifest incompetence and petty corruption, and our entire economy is tottering on the edge of a cliff. Canada's rosy self conception of itself as a flawed but basically benign progressive bastion makes it hard for a lot of people to understand this.

Helsing posted:

Also, getting more abstract, there's a general tendency for countries with less cultural homogeneity to have weaker social safety nets. There are complicated debates behind why that's the case but part of it may be that countries with less cohesive cultures are less well equipped to mobilize against the demands of big business.

None of which is to say that multiculturalism is a totally bad thing or that we should all sing God save the Queen and celebrate our European heritage. The idea of an inclusive society obviously has its merits and Canada benefits immensely from cultural diversity.

Heavy neutrino posted:

Actually, I'd be baffled if TransCanada could win despite this:


I don't know what TransCanada is going to argue, but it looks like it would have to prove that the U.S. denied Keystone XL out of discrimination, as opposed to environmental and domestic health concerns let alone any other non-discriminatory reason it might be permitted to give for refusal.

More importantly, I'd be absolutely baffled if the US ever gave a poo poo about treaty obligations. That's for weaker countries.

Heavy neutrino posted:

Do they only have to prove that they were treated differently from a US company, or do they have to prove that they were treated differently from a US company on the basis of nationality? The former sounds insane -- anyone who had a slightly longer or more extensive environmental review than a US company, regardless of the reason, could file a chapter 11 claim.

THC posted:

I guess all those laid-off oil workers have found something to do with their spare time.

It's yet another attempt to drum up sympathy for the poor widdle underdog Canadian oil industry. Remember how DSF/Greenpeace/Pembina/indigenous groups/etc were said to be agents of George Soros and American coal?

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The head of an undercover police sting involving a British Columbia terror suspect says he "absolutely" urged his officers to consider their suspect developmentally delayed.

RCMP Sgt. Bill Kalkat, has told B.C. Supreme Court that police scenarios were designed to take John Nuttall's mental capacity into account.

Nuttall and his wife Amanda Korody were found guilty last June of plotting to blow up the B.C. legislature on Canada Day 2013.

Their lawyers are arguing that police manipulated the couple into attempting to carry out a terrorist act.

Early in the undercover operation, an officer gave Nuttall $200 to transport an unmarked package to a transit-station locker.

Kalkat says Nuttall was told that the package's contents weren't illegal but admits it would have been possible to question the operation as illegitimate.

RBC posted:

In other news managers in the ontario civil service are going to be going to work as prison guards if they strike: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/01/06/civil-service-managers-face-danger-staffing-jails-if-strike-hits-union-says.html

So, who else wants to see how Teddy the IT supervisor handles violent prisoners?

THC posted:

Jesus Christ

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/terror-trial-suspect-developmentally-delayed-police-admit-1.3392519


great job RCMP I don't know how you find time to conduct stings on literal retards, in between tasering people to death and raping your own female members

Leofish posted:

But think of how safe you feel knowing they stopped some terrorists!

PT6A posted:

I don't know why being mentally challenged means it's a bad thing the RCMP got them off the streets. They should be sent to a mental health facility instead of prison, but I still don't see the issue with getting people out of general society if they can be talked into trying to blow up the legislature.

Is there something about this case I'm missing? I just don't see the problem.

Newfie posted:

Also let them know that any refugee coming to Canada also has to pay for their flight ticket here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/outside/resettle-assist.asp

PT6A posted:

Is there something about this case I'm missing? I just don't see the problem.

Ikantski posted:

That's actually really interesting. I was one of the people who assumed we were flying them for free, thanks for clearing that up. Do you know how much we are charging refugees for a flight on a military CC-150? I checked a few places, couldn't figure it out.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/military-jet-to-fly-164-syrian-refugees-from-beirut-to-toronto/article27680102/


The (former?) fiscal conservative buried deep inside you may feel a pang of annoyance that they spent millions of dollars on this and involved 240 officers.

PT6A posted:

Yeah, if anything it's just a waste of money. They shouldn't necessarily do it again, but given that the money's already been spent, I don't see a particular problem with the result.

PT6A posted:

Yeah, if anything it's just a waste of money. They shouldn't necessarily do it again, but given that the money's already been spent, I don't see a particular problem with the result.

PT6A posted:

Yeah, if anything it's just a waste of money. They shouldn't necessarily do it again, but given that the money's already been spent, I don't see a particular problem with the result.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/b-c-man-woman-charged-in-canada-day-bomb-plot-1.1349951 posted:

A British Columbia man and woman are charged with conspiring to carry out a terrorist attack after police say explosive devices were placed outside the province’s legislature on Canada Day, where thousands were gathered for the national holiday.

The RCMP alleges the pair conspired to detonate explosive devices, which were made out of pressure cookers, outside the B.C. legislature in Victoria.

“This self-radicalized behaviour was intended to create maximum impact and harm to Canadian citizens at the B.C. legislature on a national holiday,” said RCMP Assistant Commissioner Wayne Rideout. “They took steps to educate themselves and produce explosive devices designed to cause injury and death.”

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B.C. Premier Christy Clark said Tuesday she was “shocked” to learn of the alleged terror plot, but grateful that the RCMP successfully intervened.

Clark said the suspects’ goal was not just to inflict damage, but to “rob us of our sense of security.

“They hate the values that make B.C. and Canada unique in the world,” she told reporters.

“We will not let them win. We will not let them strike fear in our hearts.”

The investigation was co-ordinated by the RCMP-led Integrated National Security Enforcement Teams in B.C., the agency said in a new release.

The specialized multi-agency team is made up of employees of the RCMP along with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Canada Border Service Agency, and other provincial and municipal law enforcement agencies.

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said the “arrests demonstrate that terrorism continues to be a threat to Canada.”

PT6A posted:

Yeah, if anything it's just a waste of money. They shouldn't necessarily do it again, but given that the money's already been spent, I don't see a particular problem with the result.

Ikantski posted:

That's actually really interesting. I was one of the people who assumed we were flying them for free, thanks for clearing that up. Do you know how much we are charging refugees for a flight on a military CC-150? I checked a few places, couldn't figure it out.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/military-jet-to-fly-164-syrian-refugees-from-beirut-to-toronto/article27680102/

PT6A posted:

Yeah, if anything it's just a waste of money. They shouldn't necessarily do it again, but given that the money's already been spent, I don't see a particular problem with the result.