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Cleretic posted:As I recall, Ludlam went over the reasons the Greens aren't pro-nuclear last year, and it was something along the lines of 'it's better than what we do have now, but it's not better than what we could have now'. Oh yeah, I very thoroughly read that, and I personally have been against nuclear power for quite a while but it's good to see the greens (and green parties in general) being more "we're against nuclear power/gm because *reasons*" rather than "No nukes". For example anyone lobbying to shut down or not replace the lucas heights reactor is an idiot because it is a vital and necessary supplier of short half life radio-medical treatment and diagnostic items.
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hooman posted:For example anyone lobbying to shut down or not replace the lucas heights reactor is an idiot because it is a vital and necessary supplier of short half life radio-medical treatment and diagnostic items. I'm sure a few people have heard of it/seen it but a recent doco Twisting the dragon's tail gives a fairly good overview of Lucas Heights and the short term viability of nuclear medicine. Kind of makes the Greens leap of faith future technology argument look like the equivalent of 'clean coal'. A bit lame to be honest. EXAKT Science posted:Yeah tell that to the birds you loving monster Early days but this might not be a problem forever: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/537721/bladeless-wind-turbines-may-offer-more-form-than-function/ Unless birds go all Hitchcock before that in which case, we'll all be hosed coal or no coal.
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my dad thought he was having a heart attack in his ssanyong musso and he pulled into lucas heights and they saved his life. he died a few years later, alone
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Cleretic posted:As I recall, Ludlam went over the reasons the Greens aren't pro-nuclear last year, and it was something along the lines of 'it's better than what we do have now, but it's not better than what we could have now'. 'could' is the operative word here. What we end up with is WA recommissioning a coal plant for 250 million.
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Graic Gabtar posted:I'm sure a few people have heard of it/seen it but a recent doco Twisting the dragon's tail gives a fairly good overview of Lucas Heights and the short term viability of nuclear medicine. Kind of makes the Greens leap of faith future technology argument look like the equivalent of 'clean coal'. A bit lame to be honest. What do you mean by this? I watched that doco and I don't remember any shenanigans regarding nuclear medicine. What I do remember of the doco are the concluding remarks, which said that we've pretty much missed the boat with nuclear and that if we have to make a decision right now (which we do) that we should go renewable.
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Orkin Mang posted:my dad thought he was having a heart attack in his ssanyong musso and he pulled into lucas heights and they saved his life. he died a few years later, alone If he was out that way chances are he was from the Shire and his death was for the best.
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Tokamak posted:'could' is the operative word here. What we end up with is WA recommissioning a coal plant for 250 million. and so the solution is building a multi-billion dollar nuclear reactor instead?
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xPanda posted:What do you mean by this? I watched that doco and I don't remember any shenanigans regarding nuclear medicine. What I do remember of the doco are the concluding remarks, which said that we've pretty much missed the boat with nuclear and that if we have to make a decision right now (which we do) that we should go renewable. You sure you didn't see the overview of Lucas Heights and then in hospital with the cancer patient in remission? They demonstrated just how short the half-life of nuclear medicine can be. The show was a partnership between PBS and SBS. Which version did you see? I saw the PBS version. Maybe there were differences in editing?
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Disappointed it didn't read "hydroponic bong" 
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I think he was asking about your"Kind of makes the Greens leap of faith future technology argument look like the equivalent of 'clean coal'. A bit lame to be honest." statement, which I too do not understand. There's no future technology involved - currently, considering the cost and time it takes to build a nuclear power plant, renewables are a much more cost-effective and realistic proposal than creating an Australian nuclear power industry from scratch. If you're using Lucas Heights as an example of how Australia could jump to nuclear power you've missed that the HIFAR is a medical reactor which is much less complicated than a full-fledged powerplant.
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haha ok bbjoey. all my liquid comes from a box
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Orkin Mang posted:haha ok bbjoey. 
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I dug up the transcript. My emphasis.TTDT posted:But there are other dangerous radioactive fission fragments in there with much shorter half-lives. Orkin Mang posted:i wish graig gabtar was in a coma Well is a waking coma good enough? Orkin Mang said my name! BBJoey posted:I think he was asking about your"Kind of makes the Greens leap of faith future technology argument look like the equivalent of 'clean coal'. A bit lame to be honest." statement, which I too do not understand. There's no future technology involved - currently, considering the cost and time it takes to build a nuclear power plant, renewables are a much more cost-effective and realistic proposal than creating an Australian nuclear power industry from scratch. If you're using Lucas Heights as an example of how Australia could jump to nuclear power you've missed that the HIFAR is a medical reactor which is much less complicated than a full-fledged powerplant. I think you misunderstand me. I was referring to the Greens policy on nuclear medicine. Greens posted:The Australian Greens want: We should not be considering building any nuclear power plants - that ship has sailed (and was probably never in port given our energy security). We already have one for medical purposes. No need for any more. Citing your references (once) - achievement unlocked. Now that I've done that I'm off to make potato salad. Graic Gabtar fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Graic Gabtar posted:You sure you didn't see the overview of Lucas Heights and then in hospital with the cancer patient in remission? They demonstrated just how short the half-life of nuclear medicine can be. Oh no, I saw that. I understand now. I probably ignored it since I knew it already - some of my lab work at ANSTO. Graic Gabtar posted:I think you misunderstand me. I was referring to the Greens policy on nuclear medicine. Looks to me like they're trying to internally appease the rabid anti-nuclear crowd with the thought of particle accelerators. As far as I know reactors are way more efficient, but I don't know very far. I really only think of accelerators for diffraction experiments, not for medicine. I can't help but think that you'd need a nuclear power reactor to generate the power for an accelerator to produce enough medical isotopes to compete with a nuclear medicine reactor. No proof of that, of course. They would have sounded more sensible if they'd said "closure of the OPAL reactor after the development of non-reactor technologies, but the old eco-crowd from which the party was borne might not have wanted to wait. xPanda fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Unsure why this isn't getting more coverage http://www.businessinsider.com.au/chinas-currency-rout-is-rocking-markets-again-2016-1?wt=2
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Graic Gabtar posted:I think you misunderstand me. I was referring to the Greens policy on nuclear medicine. Oh, I didn't realise that. That's loving dumb. I'm not a member of the Greens, but those goons who are, have you considered raising this at a meeting or whatever?
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i went to a greens meeting in st kilda and now im dying of terminal heisenberg uncertainty waste.i cant know what to do
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tithin posted:Unsure why this isn't getting more coverage Sounds like the building boom icebergs are breaking off the stock market shelf and plunging the yuan into the sea. I'm sure the Australian market is staring dumbly and whimpering too much to say anything just yet. Also, the bad old days May Joh rot in hell.
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my particulars are fisipirating into waves noooo,oo,.....ooo..ah,hc
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It's cool that Ratbag Craig is cool now
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Orkin Mang posted:my particulars are fisipirating into waves noooo,oo,.....ooo..ah,hc rip mang, he died like he lived, fisting pirates.
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Birb Katter posted:rip mang, he died like he lived, fisting pirates. im 20 st drinks in and about to see a movie at a drive in in dandedong. 
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Twenty Saint Drinks is a cool rap name but you maybe have alcoholism and should hit up some help
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The Peccadillo posted:Twenty Saint Drinks is a cool rap name but you maybe have alcoholism and should hit up some help my chest hurts and im short of breath all day and theres this taste of copper.i want to die
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BBJoey posted:Oh, I didn't realise that. That's loving dumb. I'm not a member of the Greens, but those goons who are, have you considered raising this at a meeting or whatever? I might be wrong but I think this is one of the things that QM is working on in his regional group.
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Orkin Mang posted:my chest hurts and im short of breath all day and theres this taste of copper.i want to die Go see a doctor and get a chest x-ray.
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tomkash posted:lol since when was being anti-GM a core Greens policy you sad flaccid man. Thanks for the link
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Orkin Mang posted:my chest hurts and im short of breath all day and theres this taste of copper.i want to die Oh, nevermind, that's normal (https://drinkwise.org.au/drinking-and-you/support-services-adults/ there are free services in most major cities that can be astoundingly good and cool, give one a call if you can and wanna. edit: waitlists can be long, but hell, that time's still the same ol') The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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tithin posted:Unsure why this isn't getting more coverage Denial perhaps?
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orkin it's cancer better technetium up
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BBJoey posted:and so the solution is building a multi-billion dollar nuclear reactor instead? No, but the problem still remains that a confluence of events led to the recommissioning of a coal plant. There is a disconnect between the way The Greens talk about the maturity of the technology and the reality. It's just frustrating to hear how everything's good on the renewables front, and then seeing project after project being postponed and coal plants left to run past their use-by. Why isn't something like Muja station not brought to national attention and discussed alongside alternatives. It's the first time I've heard of it. Spending 250 million on 240MW of power (while a little cheaper then new, iirc) isn't exactly a bargain when corroded pipes led to an explosion, and more recently a coolant tower collapsed. It's a shame that all I ever hear from them are pie in the sky plans, whereas I never hear about poo poo like this. Tokamak fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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There's something called Smart Recovery, too, which is a more modern group therapy approach to dependance, rather than AA and NA's Jungian spiritual church like abstinence. I'm pretty sure they're open to everyone, if you can find one close http://smartrecoveryaustralia.com.au The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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tithin posted:Unsure why this isn't getting more coverage The stock market is going kaboom, interest rates are 0 or negative, so a lot of the scared money will flood into property. Which is near peak and will go kaboom as well.
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Tokamak posted:No, but the problem still remains that a confluence of events led to the recommissioning of a coal plant. I'm not sure that there's a disconnect in what the Greens are saying. As far as I understand it, they're arguing that if there was a will to make a concerted effort to move away from coal, renewable technology is sufficiently developed these days that a solid, workable plan could be put in place to get to 100% renewable energy within two decades, with no need for any intermediate steps, be they clean coal, nuclear energy, whatever. Obviously, this will doesn't exist at a political level, thanks to the LNP being coal fetishists and the ALP being themselves, so when the question of power is raised the answer is immediately "coal" with no consideration of alternatives. These aren't pie in the sky plans - they're plans which, if the Greens suddenly came to power tomorrow, could be implemented immediately. The problem as ever is that the Greens are only a minority party and so all they can do is lobby their ideas and hope that people listen.
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tithin posted:Unsure why this isn't getting more coverage Because its the intro to 'the rover'
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Birdstrike posted:wow that movie sucked It's no These Final Hours
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