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As a Millennial I posted:As We The People, that is actually my building to do with as I will. Furthermore, the corporation called The United States Incorporated actually trespassed on We The People's land when they built it, which is an act of treason, and according to posse comitatus, At which point the sheriff melts like the wicked witch of the west, just as they imagined.
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I like how it's "We the People" meaning "me and my twelve buddies decided this is right." Doesn't matter what the other 300,000,000 Americans think. This ain't a bird sanctuary anymore 'cause gently caress y'all we got cows to graze.
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Jan 7, 2016 06:20
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Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept?
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Jan 7, 2016 06:30
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? Because.
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Jan 7, 2016 06:37
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? For the same reason they wear cowboy hats in freezing temperatures. In their rich fantasy lives, they're cowboys, just like John Wayne.
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Jan 7, 2016 06:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvV1QCfVIo This is a recording of the livestream of the townhall meeting tonight. It's damaged or strategically cut, since it keeps jumping around. Hopefully somebody can find a better version of it. The guy recording is clearly biased and walked out before it's over, and spent the first 10 minutes or so complaining about how they shouldn't ask the militia to leave and the last 15 minutes ranting on camera. The town seems pretty much behind the sheriff, and clearly wants these militia men gone. Everytime the Sheriff mentions wanting the militia to leave, or mentions that the militia has no right to come into their county and tell them how to live their lives... he gets a standing ovation. Highlight of the stream, is this man yelling about how somebody with a pocket constitution should come in and teach the sheriff what his powers are, so he can go directly negotiate with the militia himself. That the sheriff should stand up and apologize for dereliction of duty for letting the FBI take over, when the Sheriff is the supreme law of the land. And also that the Sheriff should put on flip flops, shorts, and a t-shirt and go break bread with these good christian militia men to resolve the situation. The streamer is also convinced that the FBI is getting ready to slaughter every militia-man to the last, and the entire situation could be resolved by the Sheriff going to arrest all of them personally, so the FBI doesn't kill them all.
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Jan 7, 2016 06:42
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Al! posted:For the same reason they wear cowboy hats in freezing temperatures. In their rich fantasy lives, they're cowboys, just like John Wayne. What if it's like a Rock Ridge situation?
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Jan 7, 2016 06:50
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Iowa Snow King posted:What if it's like a Rock Ridge situation? I'd be willing to bet they did not bring a shitload of dimes.
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Jan 7, 2016 07:06
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This whole situation is mind-numbingly stupid: Bundy - "We're taking over this federal building for as long as the people support us! We will die for our constitutional freedoms if met with force! Down with government oppression!" Town residents - "We just voted unanimously to tell you to stop squatting and go home." Bundy - "...Duhhhhhhhhhh? Please send snacks." This is incredibly stupid and is less baffling than it is mind-numbing.
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Jan 7, 2016 07:25
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? Something about the sheriff being the only law enforcement actually mentioned in the constitution or some bullshit.
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Jan 7, 2016 07:29
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because sheriffs are supposed to be old timey and folksy or sinister
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Jan 7, 2016 07:30
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Discendo Vox posted:This is unlikely. Almost all of the occupiers are from out of state, and the town had previously turned against them when they did this off the back of a nonviolent protest in a nearby town. So crossing state lines to commit a crime, while armed. Yeah, that's not a fun one if the feds feel like making it an issue.
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Jan 7, 2016 07:49
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Al! posted:For the same reason they wear cowboy hats in freezing temperatures. In their rich fantasy lives, they're cowboys, just like John Wayne. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/johnwayne/indians.asp
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Jan 7, 2016 07:52
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Liquid Communism posted:So crossing state lines to commit a crime, while armed. they don't. it's too politically dangerous to uphold the law
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Jan 7, 2016 07:53
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Tough talk from a man who played make believe for a living.
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Jan 7, 2016 07:54
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Another take on the controversy. Essentially, arguing that under the terms the protesters are dictating, they have no right to the land.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:05
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CNN posted:Late Tuesday, Bundy said he's been told the FBI has obtained five arrest warrants and planned to raid the property, an allegation federal or local law enforcement did not confirm. http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/ While the FBI making some arrests is a plausible scenario, these guys are incredibly narcissistic and paranoid and it's more likely they're just seeking attention.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:12
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A whole lot of people are asking why the government isn't blocking off the roads and therefore letting every chucklehead pass freely to and from the reserve. Here's a google maps link to the place. Click it and just spin the camera around for a bit. This is what you'll see:  (please note sniper post  )The entire place is flat and if the cops block off the roads, people will just drive over the grass and shrubs.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:13
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Gorilla Salad posted:
But presumably that would still be illegal to do so.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:17
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So far I've only seen 1 hunting rifle. Does anyone have pictures of any other alleged armaments so we know what the boys in blue are up against.
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Gorilla Salad posted:A whole lot of people are asking why the government isn't blocking off the roads and therefore letting every chucklehead pass freely to and from the reserve. Do you really think that if they blocked the roads, these yokels would get creative and drive their trucks off road, in accordance with the purpose for which they are ostensibly marketed?
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Jan 7, 2016 08:53
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Gorilla Salad posted:The entire place is flat and if the cops block off the roads, people will just drive over the grass and shrubs. It would keep reporters away.
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Jan 7, 2016 08:59
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Then we'd all be treated to a live feed of the building's roof.
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Jan 7, 2016 09:01
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Gullous posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/ I bet they are pretty desperate for that to happen before people get bored and go home.
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Jan 7, 2016 09:32
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Who What Now posted:The people saying "just let them go without any consequences at all" are also retarded. Who the gently caress's been saying this? All I've seen is either people saying nothing will happen because "lol, dey white" or let it piddle out and arrest/fine them after. I've not read anyone advocating we should just let'em go.
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Jan 7, 2016 09:33
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I am just glad that the children are out of school so they can watch authentic frontier gibberish in TV. These guys are the common clay of the New West.
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Jan 7, 2016 09:50
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I like how it's "We the People" meaning "me and my twelve buddies decided this is right." Doesn't matter what the other 300,000,000 Americans think. This ain't a bird sanctuary anymore 'cause gently caress y'all we got cows to graze. As I keep saying, its a selfish freedom people like this believe in. I should be able to do anything I want, and anyone like me can also do whatever they want. Anyone else can either become like us or they can gently caress off and die. So people are tweeting at these knuckleheads with slash fiction http://www.joemygod.com/2016/01/06/how-about-some-oregon-militia-homoerotic-fan-fiction/
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Jan 7, 2016 10:10
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Enjoy that savage week of being paid to do nothing bird refugee operators
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I like how it's "We the People" meaning "me and my twelve buddies decided this is right." Doesn't matter what the other 300,000,000 Americans think. This ain't a bird sanctuary anymore 'cause gently caress y'all we got cows to graze. I like how the Constitution is apparently a grimoire, and if you find the right spell/article, people just have to do whatever you want. SedanChair posted:Do you really think that if they blocked the roads, these yokels would get creative and drive their trucks off road, in accordance with the purpose for which they are ostensibly marketed? I think they would jump at the chance to justify the extra thousands of dollars they spent for 4 wheel drive. Also some of these people really are ranchers and probably actually use their vehicles off road all the time.
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Jan 7, 2016 13:26
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? The Sheriff wants them to leave so obviously it's not that clear.
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twistedmentat posted:As I keep saying, its a selfish freedom people like this believe in. I should be able to do anything I want, and anyone like me can also do whatever they want. Anyone else can either become like us or they can gently caress off and die.
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Jan 7, 2016 14:38
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? I think it has something to do with the position showing up in the Magna Carta despite meaning something profoundly different.
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Jan 7, 2016 14:47
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With all these steaks being delivered, can we call the federal building Sharm el-Steak now? 
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Iowa Snow King posted:Why is the Sheriff the level of authority they're willing to accept? Starting in the late 60s, an anti-Semitic group started that named itself Posse Comitatus that introduced this belief into the far-right. They based this on their belief that the sheriff was the oldest form of law enforcement, mentioned in Daniel 3:2 (KJV*) as well as serving the role of judge, keeper of the peace, ministerial officer, and King's bailiff under old English Common Law, which they believe governed the colonies and the constitution cannot override. The job of the King's bailiff was, in part, to collect the tax, so you can see why that's important to them. Additionally, the English Sheriff's Law of 1887 allows the sheriff to effectively raise a lynch mob to arrest any suspected felons, a power whose appeal to right-wing hate groups should be obvious. * And here we have to remember that there are many who believe the precise translation of the King James Bible was divinely bestowed, meaning that the use of the word "sheriff" to denote members of Nebuchadnezzar's government is the explicit will of God.
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Joementum posted:Starting in the late 60s, an anti-Semitic group started that named itself Posse Comitatus that introduced this belief into the far-right. They based this on their belief that the sheriff was the oldest form of law enforcement, mentioned in Daniel 3:2 (KJV*) as well as serving the role of judge, keeper of the peace, ministerial officer, and King's bailiff under old English Common Law, which they believe governed the colonies and the constitution cannot override. The job of the King's bailiff was, in part, to collect the tax, so you can see why that's important to them. Additionally, the English Sheriff's Law of 1887 allows the sheriff to effectively raise a lynch mob to arrest any suspected felons, a power whose appeal to right-wing hate groups should be obvious. I kinda guessed it would be something like that.
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I just realized, if all they're eating is snack food and four freezers full of meat then they're going to be constipated as hell after a few days.
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Jan 7, 2016 15:13
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Wanamingo posted:I just realized, if all they're eating is snack food and four freezers full of meat then they're going to be constipated as hell after a few days. Nothing that 5lb bag of sugar-free gummy bears couldn't fix.
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Wanamingo posted:I just realized, if all they're eating is snack food and four freezers full of meat then they're going to be constipated as hell after a few days. this is their ordinary diet, so their bodies are used to it.
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As a Millennial I posted:They've gone full sovereign citizen Wait a minute. Wait just a goddamned minute. You don't get to discount the federal [read: American] government as a "foreign entity" and then call yourself an "American," you loving asshat. If you're a "sovereign citizen," then you're a visitor on American soil, which makes you an immigrant. Do you have paperwork allowing you to be here? I bet not. Bast Relief posted:Oh please Chuck Tingle, oh please be inspired by the headlines. He wasn't, but someone else was: 
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Volkerball posted:this is their ordinary diet, so their bodies are used to it. Shut off the water mains and enjoy them slowly gassing themselves to death by unflushable toilet.
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