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wolrah posted:As a concept that's drool-worthy, but aren't OLEDs still pretty bad about burn in? How long before the taskbar is permanent sight? But supposedly there are ways around it, and an effort has been made to ensure they degrade at the same rate, so it would only look like a difference in overall brightness. Still, it is inherent to the technology. Even if have they managed to "fix" the problem so it doesn't occur for a ridiculous amount of time, I still wouldn't want to be the first to buy a $4000 monitor and find out if they haven't. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 6, 2016 |
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HalloKitty posted:Well, it's not burn-in, technically, but rather the subpixels degrading, and at different rates. Evident in many OLED phones out there. A great way to see this is find any android OLED phone that has on-screen buttons. View a full screen white image, and you'll see a distinct line where the button bar was (where they haven't degraded). Thats exactly what burn in is, Its where one part of the screen ages faster or slower than another. Its the same kind of burn in as plasma and CRT had. Coredump posted:CRT's were supposed to have the same limitation right? And that turned out to be a non-issue unless you were dealing with the crt of a point of sale system or something like that. CRT tech was also like a hundred years old. xthetenth posted:They've also got a sensor to turn off the screen when you aren't in front of it. Uneven aging is cumulative. So while this will slow things down it may not solve it entirely.
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By late 90s/early 00s I don't think any CRT outside the bargain bin had burn-in problems though? I left mine on for weeks at a time on the desktop and had zero issues until 2008 when it finally crapped itself. I imagine OLED will go the same way. Right now, burn in is an issue. In 10 years, burn in will be one of those things that happen if you leave your display on while you go on a vacation for 14 months.
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Don Lapre posted:Thats exactly what burn in is, Its where one part of the screen ages faster or slower than another. Its the same kind of burn in as plasma and CRT had. I understand that CRTs and Plasma degraded in the same manner, due to them both bombarding a phosphor coating that could wear out, I didn't realise OLED underwent the same exact process.
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HalloKitty posted:I understand that CRTs and Plasma degraded in the same manner, due to them both bombarding a phosphor coating that could wear out, I didn't realise OLED underwent the same exact process. Its not because of a phospher coating but the underlying issue (getting dimmer with use) is the same.
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I recall hearing somewhere that the different rates of wear between colors was solved on some of the OLED TVs by making them all white pixels under colored covers, but the overall thing is what I'm most concerned about. I really love my OLED phones, but on those the screen is rarely on for more than a few minutes at a time where my desktop monitor is on for my full work day plus whatever time I spend on it after hours, usually with Chrome sitting front and center in the same exact spot. My old Dell 2005FPW used to get nasty image persistence after a few days where I could clearly see the ghost of the browser window and taskbar overlaying games, but LCD image persistence was always just a temporary thing that could be easily resolved by cycling colors on the display for an hour or so. I used the Electric Sheep screen saver at the time and it letting it run with the screen on for an hour usually took care of it.
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wolrah posted:I recall hearing somewhere that the different rates of wear between colors was solved on some of the OLED TVs by making them all white pixels under colored covers, but the overall thing is what I'm most concerned about. I really love my OLED phones, but on those the screen is rarely on for more than a few minutes at a time where my desktop monitor is on for my full work day plus whatever time I spend on it after hours, usually with Chrome sitting front and center in the same exact spot. Yea, LG tv's use all white oleds with a rgb layer over them so you shouldn't get discoloration over time from normal content.
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Don Lapre posted:Its not because of a phospher coating but the underlying issue (getting dimmer with use) is the same. e: beaten is there a source for the overall dimming anywhere? i know the differential aging is solved by using a white led w/ filters
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Malcolm XML posted:e: beaten LG has quoted 50-100k hours lifespan of the current oled panels. Nobody knows if that means half life or total life and they haven't been specific and its not in published marketing materials.. Half life on a self lit display is the time it takes to get to half brightness. As far as how long burn in takes it will vary a lot based on brightness and things. You will be best served to not run them in torch mode.
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So I've got a bit of a mystery here that requires professional help. I need to know what kind of port this is:  The one labelled HDMI, below the USB ports. I know it says HDMI, but it's definitely not that. Then I thought it was mini-HDMI, so I bought an adapter, but it's not that, either. The port is about half an inch wide (top-to-bottom in pics). This is my motherboard, which says there should be an HDMI port back there. I'm stumped. 
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I Am The Scum posted:So I've got a bit of a mystery here that requires professional help. I need to know what kind of port this is: There is a metal tab on the motherboard io plate that is supposed to go OVER the hdmi port. Whoever installed the board wasn't paying attention and it slid inside the port. remove any expansion cards. remove the motherboard screws. slide it out an inch or so fix the io plate and slide it back and screw it all back in. DrDork posted:That looks like a normal HDMI port from what I can see. Looks like you just didn't entirely remove the metal punch-out, so it's covering up the top 1/2 of the port and making it look all loving odd. Modern boards dont have any punchouts to remove, the ones he has there are supposed to sit on top of the ports.
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Thanks, guys. That makes a lot of sense. I'll work on that tonight.Don Lapre posted:Whoever installed the board wasn't paying attention and it slid inside the port. 
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I Am The Scum posted:Thanks, guys. That makes a lot of sense. I'll work on that tonight. That guy is Scum if you ask me!
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Why do glossy monitors even exist? Is it because people who buy monitors at Best Buy think they look better in-store?
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Josh Lyman posted:Why do glossy monitors even exist? Is it because people who buy monitors at Best Buy think they look better in-store? Everything looks really clear on them. They're great as long as you don't have light sources behind you. I prefer them, although matte is alright if it's not overdone (if a patch of pure white doesn't look grainy/screen door).
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Josh Lyman posted:Why do glossy monitors even exist? Is it because people who buy monitors at Best Buy think they look better in-store? Because: http://www.overclock.net/t/1499963/various-asus-rog-swift-pg278q-gtx-780ti-matrix-review/290#post_22534114
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KingEup posted:Because: This is really pronounced and also makes me want to buy a glossy monitor. Is there a site/chart anywhere with more of those comparison swatches? Also I'm not sure what to do right now because I want to get the XB270HU but stepping down from the Dell U3014 at 30" 2560x1600 to 27" 2560x1440 feels bad.
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KingEup posted:Because: So gloss is best for goons in their parents' windowless basements but in any real life scenario where light comes from anywhere and everywhere, matte makes more sense.
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Dual monitor setup, glossy for consuming media and matte for everything else. Like I have. 
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Budgie posted:So gloss is best for goons in their parents' windowless basements but in any real life scenario where light comes from anywhere and everywhere, matte makes more sense. 95% of the time I am sitting in front of my PC is in the evening after work where I have complete control of the lighting. Gloss is best for goons with day jobs who get a few hours to spend in front of their PC in the evening after they make dinner and put the kids to bed. How's that for a real life scenario? Matte: best for jobless goons who spend all day in the not so confined quaters of their parents' sunlit palatial McMansion. KingEup fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Jack the Lad posted:This is really pronounced and also makes me want to buy a glossy monitor. Is there a site/chart anywhere with more of those comparison swatches? Why not buy the glossy HP 32 inch 4k media display?
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Is TN that bad? People on [H] seem to like the Dell S2716DG and some are saying the color shift isn't that bad
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Dell brought a 4k OLED Monitor to CES. It's 5 grand and for professionals, but it does give me hope for the future.
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Budgie posted:So gloss is best for goons in their parents' windowless basements but in any real life scenario where light comes from anywhere and everywhere, matte makes more sense. Unless the screen is polarized like it should be, such as is the case with my 27" Korean IPS. Any reflections it has are nice and dark and the monitor actually performs better in naturally lit rooms than most matte screens I've come across. They just tend to haze over and destroy contrast when any light hits them. Plus, at this point, I tend to notice even the finest of AG filters. The one on the ASUS PB278Q is supposed to be a good example of a filter you shouldn't be able to notice, but the effect it has on the picture is pretty obvious now. Zorilla fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Danith posted:Is TN that bad? People on [H] seem to like the Dell S2716DG and some are saying the color shift isn't that bad I just switched over to an IPS screen, and I can never go back. My TN monitor has been relegated to a documentation/music player screen now.
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Odette posted:I just switched over to an IPS screen, and I can never go back. My TN monitor has been relegated to a documentation/music player screen now. I have 2x Asus PA248Q at work and a BenQ XL2420G at home and I honestly don't notice a huge difference in the colors. Maybe if I saw them side by side it would be more noticeable. The XL2420G is sooooo buttery smooth in games though.
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So OcUK has the PG348Q for pre-order, £1k. Still seem to think it's coming in January.
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http://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/CES-2016-Monoprice-Announces-219-and-4K-Displays $500 34" 1440p 75hz curved monitor from Monoprice, I am pretty excited about this. I am using two of their 27" 1440p ones right now, not the most amazing monitors but for the price they are really nice, and I expect this new one to be the same. Also this could really help start the prices dropping for other brands. EDIT: No mention of the panel though which is worrying. Cinara fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Cinara posted:http://www.pcper.com/news/Displays/CES-2016-Monoprice-Announces-219-and-4K-Displays I'm happy with my AOC's flat 34" (they were the cheapest in class for a while) and will live with it for a few years - but I think it would be even better with the curve. (As far as I know it uses an LG panel.) Sort of wondered why the Korean off-brand sellers weren't coming up with things like this when I was doing my research. Depending on the build quality it could be a very nice option for anyone who wants the real estate but doesn't need the super-blingy stuff.
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U3415W shipped today  <checks tracking> Ground from Texas or something. To Canada 
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slidebite posted:U3415W shipped today Michael Dell is driving it up to you in a 96 Ford Escort.
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Welp. I did it. I went and spent $800 on a Acer XB270HU. Initial impression is that it has a lot more color then my Gateway FHD2401 I loaded up Borderlands: The Pre-sequel quick and didn't really notice a difference with the G-Sync/Higher refresh rate but now I'm trying Grim Dawn and it does seem a lot smoother than I am used to, also twice the rez edit: It's XB270, not XG Danith fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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VulgarandStupid posted:I hope that mono price monitor doesn't have a scaler so we get some low input lag. Their track record would leave me to believe otherwise, though. You need DisplayPort to run 3440x1440@60Hz. This technology is packet-based, and therefore requires much more sophisticated hardware to read the signal than DVI. For this reason, you will never see one of these with a simple passthrough board.
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