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SuperMechagodzilla posted:-Maintaining 'harmony' through the elimination of 'bad people'. And how are those things bad exactly?
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corn in the fridge posted:And how are those things bad exactly? You might like them, but the film asserts that they are bad by making them tributary or at least related to their downfall.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:26
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George Lucas is a right wing propagandist.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:27
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I really think Anakin is unknowingly using the Jedi mind trick on Padme to make her love him. That extremely awkward dialogue someone posted earlier kind of sounds like it, he says a line about her being beautiful and she repeats it to him almost "I'm beautiful because you love me". Creepy stuff. I might have the dialogue reversed though.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:28
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Anakin and Padme's romance is one of the central focuses of RotS though. Funnily enough, once Anakin goes off the deep end it works alot better; Obi-Wan's 'The child is his? I'm so sorry', Anakin's wile eyed ranting on Mustafar, I just don't buy Padme flipping between worldly democratic idealist 'This is how democracy dies? etc' and the hopelessly infatuated teenage doormat in her scenes with Anakin. I maintain a competent co-writer really could have helped develop whatever it was George was exactly aiming for with Padme, as he doesn't seem to have a hand for writing romance or female characters The PT is in may ways very good in terms of story mechanics, while often being very bad in terms of having actors saying words in a way that evokes emotions that engross the audience in that story. Of course the latter is super subjective; I can't "prove" dialogue and acting are lovely with screenshots and MS paint. Highlighting how the story mechanics work and make sense is a neat discussion (and I'm not being sarcastic) that doesn't address the core of what many find wrong with the PT. It's much better than just repeating words to the effect of IT ALL SUX LOL over and over but it also doesn't really address the issue most reasonable people have with the prequels (as distinguished from LUCAS KILLED MY CHILDHOOD poo poo.)
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Jan 7, 2016 21:29
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Phylodox posted:This is exactly what I said. They're mawkish and overwrought, but written in such a way that we care about what happens to them. Padme and Anakin come off as stilted and artificial. I disagree??
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Jan 7, 2016 21:34
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greatn posted:I really think Anakin is unknowingly using the Jedi mind trick on Padme to make her love him. That extremely awkward dialogue someone posted earlier kind of sounds like it, he says a line about her being beautiful and she repeats it to him almost "I'm beautiful because you love me". Creepy stuff. I might have the dialogue reversed though. From IMDB: Anakin Skywalker: You are so... beautiful. Padmé: It's only because I'm so in love. Anakin Skywalker: No, it's because I'm so in love with you. Padmé: So love has blinded you? Anakin Skywalker: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant. Padmé: But it's probably true. I like your theory, but again, the gist was that Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak-willed, which Padme is not. Then again, if Anakin's super powerful...
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Jan 7, 2016 21:35
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Waffles Inc. posted:I disagree?? k
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Jan 7, 2016 21:36
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Red posted:From IMDB: Yeah, she's pretty much the only person to see through Palpatine's shenanigans from the start so she's pretty strong willed.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:42
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greatn posted:Yeah, she's pretty much the only person to see through Palpatine's shenanigans from the start so she's pretty strong willed. Except for that part where he used her to get himself elected Chancellor in the first place.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:45
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greatn posted:Yeah, she's pretty much the only person to see through Palpatine's shenanigans from the start so she's pretty strong willed. Not quite true. Remember who originally called for the vote of no-confidence on Valorum, paving the way for Sheev to become chancellor? She only really cottons on in RotS when he starts rolling out the emergency powers
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Jan 7, 2016 21:46
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Bongo Bill posted:You might like them, but the film asserts that they are bad by making them tributary or at least related to their downfall. How does Transhumanism and Multiculturalism contribute to the jedis downfall?
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Jan 7, 2016 21:48
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greatn posted:Yeah, she's pretty much the only person to see through Palpatine's shenanigans from the start so she's pretty strong willed. I think it might still work if you theorize she had feelings/attraction to begin with, and Anakin just used those against her. But that's the viewer connecting a lot of dots, you know?
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Jan 7, 2016 21:51
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corn in the fridge posted:How does Transhumanism and Multiculturalism contribute to the jedis downfall? The outsourcing of Jedi jobs to illegal Sith immigrants. It's hard to compete in a job market where one cyborg is willing to do the work of a whole Jedi temple for a fraction of the pay.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:52
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Not quite true. Remember who originally called for the vote of no-confidence on Valorum, paving the way for Sheev to become chancellor? She only really cottons on in RotS when he starts rolling out the emergency powers True but before she calls for the vote she's skeptical, tells Palpatine Valorum has always been a good ally to Naboo, and it isn't till she's in the chamber and frustrated by his direct inaction she calls for a vote of no confidence, then when Sheev rolls in all surprised "wow it looks like they want me as Chancellor? Wow I can't believe it!" She has this look of kind of a mix of suspicion and regret on her face. It looked like she realized she was played but knew she couldn't prove it.
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Jan 7, 2016 21:53
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greatn posted:True but before she calls for the vote she's skeptical, tells Palpatine Valorum has always been a good ally to Naboo, and it isn't till she's in the chamber and frustrated by his direct inaction she calls for a vote of no confidence, then when Sheev rolls in all surprised "wow it looks like they want me as Chancellor? Wow I can't believe it!" She has this look of kind of a mix of suspicion and regret on her face. It looked like she realized she was played but knew she couldn't prove it. I just had a look at that scene again and it's more she's really jaded at Republic in general for being full of poo poo. When Palpatine pledges to purge the corruption in the Senate her reaction is basically 'knock yourself out, I'm gonna go reclaim our planet', she doesn't really give a poo poo about him one way or the other in that scene
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Jan 7, 2016 22:04
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I was thinking about Emo Kylo Ren and his school-shooting character. Han's like "Ben. Come home. We miss you." but fails to add "...and stand trial for your war crimes, terrorism and mass murder of innocents."
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Jan 7, 2016 22:11
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corn in the fridge posted:How does Transhumanism and Multiculturalism contribute to the jedis downfall? Yoda believes in disconnecting yourself from the material world. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." In his view, the dark side is what holds us back from the understanding that reality is nothing but a bunch of fleeting images. This gives him an 'ends justify the means' approach to conflict and, later, a passive tolerance for suffering. Nothing's real, so who cares? Obiwan believes there is no such thing as truth. There is only plurality of (cultural) viewpoints, and none is necessarily better than any other. This is what allows him to ignore injustice that's right in front of him - because, you know, who is he to question how a certain culture does things?
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Jan 7, 2016 22:15
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I maintain that there's a way to make the whole "You're so beautiful" exchange work without changing a single line of dialogue, changing only the delivery and staging and tone. Make it intimate. Make it coyer and more knowing and more teasing. Have Anakin cross the room to embrace her. Softly whisper those last exchanges in each other's faces before ending with a gentle kiss...on the cheeks even, not even necessarily on the lips. [/my fanfiction] Seriously though...every ingredient for a sexy romantic exchange is present but the direction and execution -- the goddamn execution -- leaves everything flaccid and maudlin.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:20
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yoda believes in disconnecting yourself from the material world. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." In his view, the dark side is what holds us back from the understanding that reality is nothing but a bunch of fleeting images. This gives him an 'ends justify the means' approach to conflict and, later, a passive tolerance for suffering. Nothing's real, so who cares? Multiculturalism is not moral relativism. Antiracism is white supremacy.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:23
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Jack Gladney posted:Multiculturalism is not moral relativism. Antiracism is white supremacy. How does that work.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:25
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Jack Gladney posted:Antiracism is white supremacy.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:38
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Jack Gladney posted:Antiracism is white supremacy. Huh?
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Jan 7, 2016 22:40
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Whatever else is going on, I love that the whole thread, even SMG, just did a collective "record scratch, smash cut to dog head tilt" moment.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:43
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kiimo posted:"Ben. Come home. We miss you." but fails to add "...and stand trial for your war crimes, terrorism and mass murder of innocents." Claim affluenza e: only in the pt does star wars have boring stuff like courts of law
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Jan 7, 2016 22:44
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Nessus posted:A diner is the exact kind of place where a cop would go, and Obi-Wan is clearly, in Ep II, presented as Jedi Cop. BrianWilly posted:The real question is why wouldn't there be a diner in Star Wars? Diners should exist in Star Wars, just not in the form of a space johnny rockets, with a proprietor wearing human clothes from the 50s. Kind of like how Mos Eisley Cantina is not an Amigos at happy hour. i dont care if george lucas loves 50s diners, he hosed up.
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Jan 7, 2016 22:50
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turtlecrunch posted:Claim affluenza Courts of law aren't inherently boring, I've seen riveting legal dramas. The ideas in the prequels are neutral-to-good, the script is just poorly written and those ideas are not executed well and become uncompelling. The prequels were written by a self-admitted non-writer and first drafts with minor punchup went into production. This is why the films are bad - not CGI, not the poor direction of the actors, not bad ideas. You can't overcome a bad script to become a good movie. If the diner looked exactly as it does but it had a compelling scene within it, I'd have no problem with that sequence. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jan 7, 2016 |
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Jan 7, 2016 22:52
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Jerkface posted:Diners should exist in Star Wars, just not in the form of a space johnny rockets, with a proprietor wearing human clothes from the 50s. Kind of like how Mos Eisley Cantina is not an Amigos at happy hour. Dex can run his business however he wants. feedmyleg posted:If the diner looked exactly as it does but it had a compelling scene within it, I'd have no problem with that sequence. The diner scene is well written. What's wrong with the writing?
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Jan 7, 2016 23:01
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Quigon literally says not to trust someone just because they're holding a laser sword, and it went right over people's heads. Grevious runs a rehab clinic, I have no clue where you are getting these posts from.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:11
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computer parts posted:This is actually explicit if you read audience reactions from the 16th century. Wasn't Juliet 12 as it was originally written or something too?
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Jan 7, 2016 23:16
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Dex can run his business however he wants. not if i trick Jar Jar into petitioning the senate for a motion to evict
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Jan 7, 2016 23:16
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RBA Starblade posted:Wasn't Juliet 12 as it was originally written or something too? "She hath not seen the change of fourteen years'."
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Jan 7, 2016 23:18
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:How does that work. I read it as colorblind antiracism in your post. I'm really sorry. That's what I get for posting about Star Wars.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:18
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Phylodox posted:Whatever else is going on, I love that the whole thread, even SMG, just did a collective "record scratch, smash cut to dog head tilt" moment. It was kind of delightful. 
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Jan 7, 2016 23:20
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Jack Gladney posted:I read it as colorblind antiracism in your post. I'm really sorry. That's what I get for posting about Star Wars.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:29
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Don't give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side. Yoda sez: "Vote for Trump you must not!"
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Jan 7, 2016 23:52
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If you want to talk writing, let's talk writing: Waitress Droid: Someone to see ya, honey! A Jedi, by the looks of him. Lucas immediately sets up the dynamic in the diner scene by having Dex's waitress warn him that Obiwan's a cop. So, right off the bat, it's established that Obiwan visits the diner very infrequently (as the waitress doesn't recognize him), and that Dex has previously had run-ins with the law. This is also a good bit of characterization for the waitress because, although she's obviously programmed to be a waitress, she has somehow developed a personal distrust towards Jedis over the years. She's a direct reference back to the silver butler-droid who serves drinks at the start of Episode 1: Protocol Droid: The ambassadors are Jedi Knights, I believe. Nemoidian: I knew it! They're here to force a settlement. Subtly, Lucas has established that Obiwan's visit to the diner has parallels to the larger conflict between the (human) Republic and the (alien) Separatists. Those tensions color their 'personal' interactions. The rest of the scene, however, plays out as a contrast to the waitress' initial suspicions. It would be very easy for Dex's actor, Ron Falk, to play the character as shady - pretending to be friendly in order to get out of trouble. Instead, Dex comes across as absolutely genuine in his friendship with Obiwan - which generates an implied backstory where Obiwan helped Dex out with some legal troubles, so Dex is now grateful... This is all in a single line of dialogue.
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Jan 7, 2016 23:55
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Jivjov? You rang?
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Yoda believes in disconnecting yourself from the material world. "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." In his view, the dark side is what holds us back from the understanding that reality is nothing but a bunch of fleeting images. This gives him an 'ends justify the means' approach to conflict and, later, a passive tolerance for suffering. Nothing's real, so who cares? Your first example is not an example of Transhumanism Obi-wan certainly believes in Multiculturalism but that belief is not what allows him to ignore injustices unless there is a more concrete example you.could give me? What am I missing here or is your gimmick just making poo poo up? corn in the fridge fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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i read the book about the red pirate guy it's terribly written but also made for children but i don't care, i liked that guy movie was good i liked wondering about all the new aliens and places and Sidon Ithano is a good star wars name
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