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They were poked, prodded, manipulated and trained by the RCMP for 4 months. I think if it took one day, I'd have no sympathy for them. If it took 10 years, we'd all probably agree that they're victims. Maybe the question really is: How long does a developmentally delayed ex junkie need to resist RCMP terrorism entrapment before they deserve our sympathy? I think 4 months is on the sympathy side for me but we're obviously all a little different and that's ok.
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Yeah, I don't know why I'm so drawn to comment on this topic and it feels vaguely distasteful to be repeatedly emphasizing how little I care about another human being so I'm gonna drop it.
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Jan 8, 2016 00:36
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Getting a junkie to do... well, anything, is incredibly loving easy. A thousand push-ups in the rain for five bucks or blow up a building, same diff.
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I think one thing we can agree on is that the RCMP loving suck.
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jfood posted:Getting a junkie to do... well, anything, is incredibly loving easy. A thousand push-ups in the rain for five bucks or blow up a building, same diff. Basically in this scenario Jesse Pinkman is the RCMP and the shovel is a pressure cooker. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf3e1F1a0Hg
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THC posted:I repeat: I loving hate the Sun and the Herald. What a worthless transparent organization Postmedia is.
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THC posted:This is coming from a professor of political science, at an accredited university. This casts doubt on the quality of education in that department at that university.
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Jan 8, 2016 01:25
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If the RCMP approached a actual known hit man, and enticed him to murder someone, no one would bat an eye when the guy walked because it is open and shut entrapment. They probably wouldn't feel a lot of sympathy for the guys legal difficulties though. I guess it is different when the RCMP find a retarded dude muttering about how he could totally have been a real hit man if his grades were better, plan out every detail of the murder for him, house him for a couple of months, buy him a gun and then finally get annoyed that he isn't taking this murder seriously enough. "Listen buddy, I am paying you to murder this dude. Why does your plan seem to involve a moose catapult? I don't think your taking this very seriously so here is a gun." - A reasonable conversation for an undercover RCMP officer to have
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Nope, they should be locked up forever. In fact they shouldn't have even wasted time and money going through the inefficient process of radicalizing them first. They should have just immediately charged them with terrorism the instant they said anything out of line. You got a problem with that, citizen?
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For CI. Canadian war vet faces court martial over rude remark http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/wade-pear-court-martial-1.3393303 I think it is safe to say that Pear's observations have been proven to be 100% correct.
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What are these, specifically?
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Alberta's suicide rate is also well above Ontario's, during the boom years. The Alberta advantage indeed.
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This isn't a special story. Never mind terrorism or the flavour of the week. I used to work with developmentally delayed children who were actively targeted by gangs in BC because they make excellent enforcers. If you are fundamentally incapable of knowing right from wrong, it's not hard to recruit you as a patsy for a beating, intimidation, rape or murder. Often this indoctrination does take weeks, months, or years. It's how you get the loyal foot soldiers, and it happens all the drat time. We're talking past one another. Should the RCMP have wasted these resources on this couple? Of course not! PT6A, Helsing, their opponents, almost everyone in this thread agrees on this. We also agree that it would be better if we spent those same resources on prevention and treatment. Great! We are chronically under funding mental health services in this country, against all evidence that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. This isn't a new problem. It's with us because we are so quick to cut treatments and funding, and slow to implement new services without the correct motivation. Castigate the RCMP, they deserve it. Now propose alternatives. And propose how the funding will be obtained across society without resorting to fear mongering. Good loving luck. Anyone have a solution?
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Brannock posted:What are these, specifically? The dude is pretty clearly a pussy
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Jordan7hm posted:The worst thing these two idiots have done is forced this thread to talk about them once a month with everyone repeating the position they clarified the last time we talked about them. Van cat months.
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CBC posted:As the Liberal government gets to work on its campaign pledge to legalize marijuana, the former police chief of Toronto will be taking a lead role. Its happening?
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RedFlag posted:This isn't a special story. Never mind terrorism or the flavour of the week. I used to work with developmentally delayed children who were actively targeted by gangs in BC because they make excellent enforcers. If you are fundamentally incapable of knowing right from wrong, it's not hard to recruit you as a patsy for a beating, intimidation, rape or murder. Often this indoctrination does take weeks, months, or years. It's how you get the loyal foot soldiers, and it happens all the drat time. We could start with a coherent provincial health care strategy in one of our territories/provinces that destigmatizes mental illness, establishes a dignified and practical inpatient mental health care program for people who need it, and liaises with other branches of the health care system to identify people at risk and proactively get them the care they need - which does not necessarily mean committal - before they start building poo poo rockets. But good luck selling the idea of humane, state-run mental health care institutions to a generation who remembers deinstitutionalization for the objectively good idea it was at the time.
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It's already happened, basically. I was at a new year's party at a friend's cottage and out of the 16 people there, I'd say half of them had weed of some kind with them. These are all young professionals as well, lawyers, finance types. Edibles, weed chocolate, the ol' smokable variety, everything was there. I don't partake anymore but most did. It's very easy to get, cops give no fucks anymore, government might as well make some money off of an easy sell.
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MA-Horus posted:It's already happened, basically. I was at a new year's party at a friend's cottage and out of the 16 people there, I'd say half of them had weed of some kind with them. These are all young professionals as well, lawyers, finance types. Weed is de facto legal at the moment since most police departments have given up trying to enforce the current law but right now the money is untaxed, the product is unregulated, a lot of the profits end up with illegal criminal organizations, and the law still being on the books gives police a piece of authority that they can use to harass people for other things, which generally targets minorities more than white people (police can justify harassment by saying they smelled weed, for example). It's still not a good situation to be in and I'm glad it will be legalized. That being said, CI is absolutely right in saying that this should really not be the #1 issue or priority of the new government or of the Canadian people. "Hey, the country may be nosediving into an economic crash and all our politicians are saying is 'jump faster', but at least we can get high when we're unemployed" is really not a healthy way to view the country and its political climate.
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Arabian Jesus posted:Its happening? It's happening! I don't much like Blair being in charge of it, but I like seeing movement in this area.
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Beer and Liquor is used to keep the population at a mentally regressive level. Wouldn't want the serfs to be using psychedelics and opening their minds. They might figure out that the rich don't have their best interests in mind!
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Fried Watermelon posted:Beer and Liquor is used to keep the population at a mentally regressive level. Wouldn't want the serfs to be using psychedelics and opening their minds. They might figure out that the rich don't have their best interests in mind! You are trying to be ironic but what you say is actually true.
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jm20 posted:You are trying to be ironic but what you say is actually true. I am actually not being ironic. I have a thin veneer of sarcasm/irony to dull the pain.
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As announced earlier we are just rushing to pull our fighter jets out of the war on ISIS... soon... maybe http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canadian-new-years-airstrikes-1.3387459
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flakeloaf posted:We could start with a coherent provincial health care strategy in one of our territories/provinces that destigmatizes mental illness, establishes a dignified and practical inpatient mental health care program for people who need it, and liaises with other branches of the health care system to identify people at risk and proactively get them the care they need - which does not necessarily mean committal - before they start building poo poo rockets. But good luck selling the idea of humane, state-run mental health care institutions to a generation who remembers deinstitutionalization for the objectively good idea it was at the time. I've seen friends and family go through CAMH and it made me realize that mental healthcare in Canada is basically a fantasy for the people who need it most. Slots are incredibly limited, wait times go on for months (to get into programs that only last days or weeks) and there are huge numbers of administrative hassles you have to go through (forms to be signed, appointments that you lose if you're even a second late and which will take forever to reschedule) which mean that people experiencing mental distress or drug dependency are very unlikely to be able to jump through the hoops. You could already go a long way toward fixing that system just by making mental healthcare and drug rehab available to anyone who wants it for as long as they need it. Make it so patients can leave whenever they want but ensure they'll always have a place when they come back. How you sell the public on that is a different question. I would say mostly you don't. You sell the public on a broader program of populist reforms and sort of smuggle anti-poverty and mental healthcare stuff in along with a bundle of more universal and inclusive programs that working class and middle class people would benefit from. The truth is that most policies don't need to be sold individually as long as the party advancing them has a decent amount of support and can implement the policy competently. Harper got away with all kinds of deeply unpopular policies by knowing how to introduce them and knowing how to distract people when necessary.
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Helsing posted:I've seen friends and family go through CAMH and it made me realize that mental healthcare in Canada is basically a fantasy for the people who need it most. Slots are incredibly limited, wait times go on for months (to get into programs that only last days or weeks) and there are huge numbers of administrative hassles you have to go through (forms to be signed, appointments that you lose if you're even a second late and which will take forever to reschedule) which mean that people experiencing mental distress or drug dependency are very unlikely to be able to jump through the hoops. I did a consultation at CAMH (had to wait months) and then waited 10 more months for another appointment, where they revealed to me that'd they'd lost my folder and I had to start the process over again. A fantasy is goddamn right.
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I can't wait until rob Ford is elected mayor again. gently caress you Toronto
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youre a funny guy, CI, i like you. thats why im going ot kill you last
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Cultural Imperial posted:I can't wait until rob Ford is elected mayor again. gently caress you Toronto He's going to die before the next mayoral election.
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jm20 posted:He's going to die before the next mayoral election. inshallah
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It'll be what Toronto deserves
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Arabian Jesus posted:Its happening? This all but guarantees whatever they come up with is going to be loving terrible lmao
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He has liposarcoma of the bladder. Fatcancer of the pissoir.
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Just imagine, Rob Ford leading the city of the leafs and good ol' Dougie heading up a revitalized conservative party, o Canada!
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Hes also lost a bunch of weight recently, the recent picture below is from a 'generic ontario hospital' by the looks of it https://twitter.com/TorontoRobFord/status/684807306425593857
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Helsing posted:I've seen friends and family go through CAMH and it made me realize that mental healthcare in Canada is basically a fantasy for the people who need it most. Slots are incredibly limited, wait times go on for months (to get into programs that only last days or weeks) and there are huge numbers of administrative hassles you have to go through (forms to be signed, appointments that you lose if you're even a second late and which will take forever to reschedule) which mean that people experiencing mental distress or drug dependency are very unlikely to be able to jump through the hoops. Providing adequate and easily accessed mental health and addictions services saves money on health care, policing, corrections and social services.* That's logic that I'd hope even the most hardened fiscal conservative could get behind. *Realistically budgets don't actually go down in the first years after instituting better mental health or housing programs. What DOES happen is that there's a drop in over utilization meaning that service quality improves for the public at large. Hence the emphasis on cost avoidance rather than cost savings.
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Dude is dying from cancer and looks healthier than ever.
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People aren't rational, specially so called "economic conservatives". You'd think you could sell better mental health to them with proven savings, but it's not about them. You have to take into account the "Calvinist ick factor". You can prove it will save money and be both a social an economic good, but it's still "giving homeless people free stuff! When I was depressed I had to pay a fortune on therapy! All I need to do is move to a tent city and smoke a bunch of crack and I get free stuff????" No matter how good the policy is, a person below you on the economic ladder getting "free stuff" is always going to get people mad. Unless that free stuff is prison and court time, that's ok because it's a punishment, it's unpleasant. They'd rather a mentally ill homeless addict cost society 100k while being punished or made to suffer than the person costing society 50k a year but some how bettering them selves. They will outright admit this. It's not that they don't trust the numbers or the benefits of the program, they're just morally opposed. "It's just not right to reward people like that..."
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