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| Goku |
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202 | 7.09% |
| Vegeta |
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279 | 9.79% |
| Krillin |
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208 | 7.30% |
| Piccolo or his nameks |
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212 | 7.44% |
| Gohan or Cool Gohan |
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135 | 4.74% |
| Yamcha |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Tien |
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120 | 4.21% |
| Muten Roshi |
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89 | 3.12% |
| Tao Pai Pai |
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71 | 2.49% |
| Frieza |
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69 | 2.42% |
| Cell or an android |
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86 | 3.02% |
| Buu |
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62 | 2.18% |
| Hercule "Mark" Satan |
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327 | 11.48% |
| Videl |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Bulma |
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104 | 3.65% |
| Yajirobe |
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99 | 3.47% |
| Ginyu or other Frieza squad guy |
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68 | 2.39% |
| King kai or another kai |
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53 | 1.86% |
| Chi-Chi |
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83 | 2.91% |
| Goten |
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43 | 1.51% |
| Trunks or Cool Trunks |
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112 | 3.93% |
| Bardock |
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48 | 1.68% |
| Other villain of DB,Z, or GT(please post about it!) |
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41 | 1.44% |
| Uub |
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42 | 1.47% |
| Oolong |
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90 | 3.16% |
| Zamasu |
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26 | 0.91% |
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Baal posted:I could talk to you forever about how much I love the Buu Saga and how I think Buu is a well crafted invincible villain and works really well as the cap to DBZ and everything, but at the end of the day it's DBZ. There are people who can wax and wain writing philosophy and character depth until the cows come home, but it's a series a lot of people watched as kids and don't think more about it other than "That poo poo was cool dog, yo vegeta's tight as gently caress." It's fun to talk about this stuff that way sometimes though. Thing is, even people like the Kanzenshuu guys, people that have devoted their lives to understanding Dragon Ball, aren't really doing much of what I'm talking about either. It's those kinds of people that bother me, not as much the people that just watched DBZ as kids and thought it was cool and then moved on to other things.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:17
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Augus posted:I mean skilled and effective use of form isn't something I see discussed much in general for anything, not even among supposed intellectuals and critics. Most people, even comic/anime fans, don't know what goes into making comics. You don't see in-depth discussions about comics very often because most people don't think about stuff like panel structure, flow of action, use of shading etc. etc.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:18
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Idk, I used to talk to those Kanzenshuu guys back when they were just dorky gamefaqs posters and not the DBZ Website and News guys and they kinda were the same way back then too. Never really discussed anything about like the actual quality of DBZ, just a bunch of facts, trivia, and power levels.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:19
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Anyone else feel that Goku was always meant to become the world's new Master Roshi at the end of the story?
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Jan 8, 2016 04:26
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Covok posted:Anyone else feel that Goku was always meant to become the world's new Master Roshi at the end of the story? at the end of Dragon Ball, sure Master Roshi's a goofy goober and Goku could have filled the shoes of weird idiot who gained a level of maturity with experience
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Jan 8, 2016 04:33
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Covok posted:Anyone else feel that Goku was always meant to become the world's new Master Roshi at the end of the story? About that...There was a Q&A section at the end of the tankōbons and one of the questions prompted Toriyama to draw this. It was pretty much exactly what you said.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:38
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Covok posted:Anyone else feel that Goku was always meant to become the world's new Master Roshi at the end of the story? If GT were written better, he would have fallen into this role naturally.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:40
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Well, it just makes sense, if you ask me. Goku may not be a pervert, but he has a cooky personality and lots and lots of martial arts knowledge. Glad Toriyama agrees. Edit: THAT mustache, holy poo poo.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:46
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As of Dragon Ball Online, it is Krillin that takes over Master Roshi's role as the teacher of the New Turtle School. If you ask me, it makes more sense than Goku, who has always shown an attachment to freedom. He always sticks to training one person at a time (Gohan, then Uub) and has them live by his rules and not otherwise for it, so I can't imagine him actually teaching more people, or living in a secluded island doing nothing.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:55
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Goku updating the turtle school with King Kai and Yardrat techniques would be cool.
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Jan 8, 2016 04:59
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uub will get a lot of use out of kaioken probably did piccolo ever use it? you'd think he'd have learned it when he was dead. the others too, but they don't really get to fight for real anymore after the saiyan saga
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Jan 8, 2016 05:15
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Only Goku is ever seen using the Kaio-ken during the series. Games give it to Krillin and Yamcha too, as well as whatever characters you create in Online and Xenoverse, but in-series as far as we know Goku is the only person to ever know how to use the Kaio-ken.
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Jan 8, 2016 05:23
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Which is weird, as it would have made Piccolo's jump when fighting Frieza make a lot more sense.
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Jan 8, 2016 05:26
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yeah it's weird, and it's not like it's goku's signature move or anything. he doesn't even use it after he goes super saiyan either hell, everyone and their mother knows the kamehameha and the kaioken would help the non saiyans compete
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Jan 8, 2016 05:38
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My assumption is that they've learned to momentarily boost their ki in a manner similar to the Kaioken already.
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Jan 8, 2016 05:40
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mine is that toriyama forgot, much like how he forgot vegeta and gohan's tails
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Jan 8, 2016 05:42
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Manatee Cannon posted:mine is that toriyama forgot, much like how he forgot vegeta and gohan's tails Oddly, Toriyama makes a note to have Krillin ask Bulma about whether Baby Trunks had his tail cut off or not in the manga when they meet shortly before 19 and 20 attack, but we never hear her answer, and it is never brought up again ever IIRC.
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Jan 8, 2016 06:04
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the doctor that heals vegeta after he gets beat up on earth asks him about his tail vegeta says it'll grow back
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Jan 8, 2016 06:06
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Baal posted:I could talk to you forever about how much I love the Buu Saga and how I think Buu is a well crafted invincible villain and works really well as the cap to DBZ and everything, and you'd still be wrong Stairmaster fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Jan 8, 2016 06:08
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gently caress off, Stairmaster and eat my rear end
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Jan 8, 2016 06:12
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Stairmaster posted:[quote="Baal" post="454711823"] But what if he's right?
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Jan 8, 2016 06:13
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Manatee Cannon posted:mine is that toriyama forgot, much like how he forgot vegeta and gohan's tails Goku used the Ken against Frieza tho.
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Jan 8, 2016 06:19
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Blaze Dragon posted:If you ask me, it makes more sense than Goku, who has always shown an attachment to freedom. He always sticks to training one person at a time (Gohan, then Uub) and has them live by his rules and not otherwise for it, so I can't imagine him actually teaching more people, or living in a secluded island doing nothing. This setup works eerily well.
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Jan 8, 2016 07:39
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Baal posted:I could talk to you forever about how much I love the Buu Saga and how I think Buu is a well crafted invincible villain and works really well as the cap to DBZ and everything I'd be interested in hearing this. I've always thought Cell was a pretty good "cap" villain because he's a combination of every enemy Goku has faced before: he's got DNA of Piccolo, Vegeta, and Freeza, and was created by remnants of the Red Ribbon Army. Majin Boo's cool too but I feel like his absorption and regeneration makes him too much like Cell. I like his rubbery bubble-gum-y nature and candy magic gimick, though. Baal posted:Idk, I used to talk to those Kanzenshuu guys back when they were just dorky gamefaqs posters and not the DBZ Website and News guys and they kinda were the same way back then too. Never really discussed anything about like the actual quality of DBZ, just a bunch of facts, trivia, and power levels. I remember interacting with one of those guys back in '98 or '99, when i was just an adolescent who just discovered DBZ and was excited to talk about on the internet. Back then his website was called Dainzenshuu EX. He was a huge douchebag, and weirdly confrontational if you admitted to liking the American dub. I remember he told an angry story about getting into an argument with his dad about DBZ or anime or something, and he had written an essay explaining his argument and given it to his dad for him to read, and he saw his dad's eyes skim right down to the bottom of the page, obviously not reading the body of the essay but just going right to the conclusion. And that made him write a rant about how everyone's attention spans are too short, or some poo poo, I can't remember. I just remember the part about him seeing his dad's eyes go right down to the end of his essay and getting mad about it. So I feel kinda vindicated that, in the end, he's really just another dumb nerd who doesn't understand why he likes what he likes.
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Jan 8, 2016 09:00
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Twiddy posted:In the hypothetical scenario where Krillin has to train a new manga protagonist, I imagine Goku's the one he sends the kid to after the protag has to stop a new world ending threat. And then Goku teleports in and instantly solves the problem.
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Jan 8, 2016 09:04
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I remember reading an essay on daizenshu ex comparing the saiyan saga to the pacific front in ww2 and the namek saga to the european one. That's my stupid early millenium dbz internet story.
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Jan 8, 2016 09:08
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with the exception of a few things (goku being a dick and not bringing videl the senzu bean and the way they throw gohan under the bus at the eleventh hour after all that build up to his awakening), the buu saga is pretty much perfect for what it is imo like I called goku's decision making over not killing buu into question earlier, but it makes sense in the context of the series tbh. and besides which, I agree with his logic that some dead dude shouldn't be the one cleaning up every mess. same with how old kai being annoyed at the overuse of the dragon balls made sense, and I'm glad he was there to bring it up even tho everyone ignored him and were probably totally right to do so I think buu's regeneration makes way more sense than cell's, too. like cell just has that thing in his head that lets him regenerate, even tho his head gets blown up at least twice before he dies for real, and none of the people he had dna from could do that. buu, on the other hand, is literally magic. I like the cell and android saga tho, and I always appreciated how it wasn't goku beating the big bad at the end of the day there since they'd been building up to gohan being the strongest since like radditz
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Jan 8, 2016 09:19
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Cell's regeneration comes from Piccolo's cells. Namekians have a long history of being able to regenerate.
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Jan 8, 2016 10:12
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they can regenerate limbs they can't regenerate half of their body getting blown off, or being vaporized. cell specifically says why he can do this (the little whatever it is in his head). the explanation for why he can regenerate the way he does is why it doesn't make sense, really. like if he just said "I have namekian regeneration but it's better because I'm perfect" then yeah ok I'll buy that, but he says it's the thing in his head... which he loses twice before gohan kills him no for real this time. it even shows his regeneration organ getting atomized when he dies to show he's dead for good now
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Jan 8, 2016 10:17
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I agree that the other Z-fighters should have learned kai-o-ken. It would have been an easy AND reasonable way to allow them to compete (or at least not be totally embarrassed) with the more powerful threats. In fact, that's what I thought was going to happen when Piccolo, Tien, Yamcha, and Chaozu went to train at King Kai's planet. What the hell happened? Sure, Piccolo was only there for like a week, but Yamcha was there for at least 4 months, and Tien/Chaozu were there for 8 months. What the hell were they doing all that time? (for comparison, Goku learned those techniques within 2 months) And since we're on the subject, why does Goku not use it anymore after he turns SSJ? I always figured (though I don't think it was ever confirmed) that for whatever reason, SSJ prevents any further power multipliers. A dozen or so pages back, I think it was Caros who said something that I never actually thought of. What if zenkai boosts in general were gone once a saiyan learned to go SSJ? The more I think about it, the more it seems clear that nobody ever officially commented on any increases in power once any SSJ ate a senzu bean immediately after getting beaten up. Granted, it was never confirmed one way or the other, but it would kinda make some sense.
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Jan 8, 2016 10:19
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Manatee Cannon posted:with the exception of a few things (goku being a dick and not bringing videl the senzu bean and the way they throw gohan under the bus at the eleventh hour after all that build up to his awakening), the buu saga is pretty much perfect for what it is imo Gohan's fate was sealed the instant he chose his next powerup to be achieved via sitting on his rear end for a day. That is no way to cap off a story.
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Jan 8, 2016 10:22
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Some Numbers posted:Cell's regeneration comes from Piccolo's cells. Namekians have a long history of being able to regenerate. Mr Interweb posted:What the hell were they doing all that time? So King Kai basically saw he was sent retards and had them do the equivalent of multiplication table handouts. (Piccolo, of course, took one look at the syllabus and said gently caress This I'll just ace the midterm) FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Jan 8, 2016 10:27
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yea if namekians had cell's regeneration, piccolo sr. and the namekians that die on namek would never have diedPureauthor posted:Gohan's fate was sealed the instant he chose his next powerup to be achieved via sitting on his rear end for a day. mystic gohan was cooler than ssj3, and mystic gohan was literally just gohan gotenks kinda pull it off because they're a doofy little kid with silly kid moves, but goku looks like a massive dork in no eyebrows mode
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Jan 8, 2016 10:29
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Manatee Cannon posted:they can regenerate limbs It's most likely improved upon, but it must be based on what you get combining namekian regeneration with Freeza's resilience. We saw Freeza can live after being cut in tiny pieces, he just can't recover from it.
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Jan 8, 2016 11:03
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Mr Interweb posted:I agree that the other Z-fighters should have learned kai-o-ken. It would have been an easy AND reasonable way to allow them to compete (or at least not be totally embarrassed) with the more powerful threats. They should also have learned instant transmission. A combination of instant transmission, kaio-ken, solar flare and destructo disk is probably enough for even Yamcha to take care of most threats in Dragonball quickly and easily on his own all the way up to Cell. tsob fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Jan 8, 2016 12:57
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tsob posted:They should also have learned instant transmission. A combination of instant transmission, kaio-ken, solar flare and destructo disk is probably enough for even Yamcha to take care of most threats in Dragonball quickly and easily on his own all the way up to Cell. I don't know, the power of this technique seems to have eluded even Whis, who appears to be some sort of god of time and space. edit: Wait, new theory: Just like Vegeta gained energy sensing from Earth, the planet Yardrat itself grants the inherent abilities needed to transmit instantly and in order for any of them to learn it they would have to go there, but Goku forgot where it was and none of them are strong enough for him to sense. CubeTheory fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 8, 2016 |
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Jan 8, 2016 13:16
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Manatee Cannon posted:they can regenerate limbs Piccolo regenerated his whole body after Dabura died. It was broken by Trunks earlier.
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Jan 8, 2016 14:14
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The entire point of Cell is that he's got Frieza's cells as well which operate independently of each other, letting Frieza survive in the vacuum of space whilst being so catastrophically damaged that at this point he's half a head and an arm. Frieza was still alive in Super even after being diced up by Trunks. I don't even think Cell even really knows where his core is so much as that when he self destructs it doesn't get destroyed. He was completely unaware that that would even happen when he killed himself. He doesn't even realise what the implications of his design are until after that when he finally "Gets" what Gero did, which is create a being that can survive catastrophic wounds, regenerate and then Zenkai. Oh and I recall in Kai that it's explicitly stated by Piccolo in his fight with 20 that all the Z-Warriors can hilariously spike their power levels when they need to, which definitely implies that they all figured out Kaioken.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:10
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Rudoku posted:Piccolo regenerated his whole body after Dabura died. It was broken by Trunks earlier. As long as his head is okay he can regenerate.
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Jan 8, 2016 15:14
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Yorkshire Tea posted:Oh and I recall in Kai that it's explicitly stated by Piccolo in his fight with 20 that all the Z-Warriors can hilariously spike their power levels when they need to, which definitely implies that they all figured out Kaioken. nah that's, like, raditz era "they can hide their power" stuff it caught both the saiyans and the frieza henchmen off guard that they could hide their power without a transformation
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Jan 8, 2016 15:21
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