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Fintilgin posted:I'm assuming 'full' equality is going to be locked behind Catharism and such anyway. But I'd really like it if they opened up women for republics and maybe even some branches of Islam? It isn't locked, it is just supposed to be a lot of effort to achieve and something the AI will never do. Its just there as a "well you want to have that 30 martial daughter lead your armies? Better start changing poo poo then. " Essentially just if you were part of the crowd that wanted Absolute Cognatic succession without switching to a religion or culture, here's an option.
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Groogy posted:It isn't locked, it is just supposed to be a lot of effort to achieve and something the AI will never do. Its just there as a "well you want to have that 30 martial daughter lead your armies? Better start changing poo poo then. "  Does it work for republics and such? I guess that's really tricky with matralineal marriage. I know I always enjoy republics and muslims less, knowing half my kids are basically useless and it's all dudes all the time.
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Groogy posted:It isn't locked, it is just supposed to be a lot of effort to achieve and something the AI will never do. Its just there as a "well you want to have that 30 martial daughter lead your armies? Better start changing poo poo then. " That's pretty much what I wished for
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What's a good character and start to start learning Nomads with? My first attempts at Horse Lords ended with the Yabguids stomping over a bit of Khiva before my 26 year old Khan died with an infant son and the realm passing into an AI death spiral which is going to end in me getting annexed. So yeah, any good/fun nomad starts? Conclave looks cool as hell.
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I'm a sucker for more internal realm action, so this expansion looks pretty drat sweet so far. That said, I'm a bit curious about the names of the 'Status of Women' laws. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't "Significant" and "Notable" be switched around? I always got the impression that "significant" was a, for lack of a better word, stronger than "notable".
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ThaumPenguin posted:I'm a sucker for more internal realm action, so this expansion looks pretty drat sweet so far. That said, I'm a bit curious about the names of the 'Status of Women' laws. As an English major (  ) I'm inclined to agree. I'm not keen on "notable" at all honestly.Edit: I might go for: marginal, moderate, significant
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Jan 7, 2016 23:25
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It's almost as if this game is developed by Swedes or something. This expansion looks fantastic by the way, I wasn't thrilled with the eastward crawl so internal mechanics is really enticing.
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Groogy posted:Just gonna leave this here.... Yes. Yeeeessssssssssssssssssssss. Trailer needs more beard, though.
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Jan 8, 2016 00:05
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Going to assume it's meant in the French sense of the Assemblée des notables - meaning women can be part of your council, even if the land isn't under Absolute Cognatic succession (which would be Full status)
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Excelzior posted:Going to assume it's meant in the French sense of the Assemblée des notables - meaning women can be part of your council, even if the land isn't under Absolute Cognatic succession (which would be Full status) I would assume it was that not unknown for women to hold positions of significance in the court, but it was really noteworthy for some jobs - steward or chancellor, for example - to be held by a woman. So it would be: Traditional - barefoot and pregnant in ye kitchen. Can't hold any position. Marginal - can tutor children and that's about it. Significant - can hold some positions of relevance (Spymaster etc) and honorary titles that don't completely lack power. Notable - Odds wounds, the Count de Bourgeois allows mere women to govern his finances! Can hold any non-military title. Full - women can hold any position including Marshal and Commander.
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Groogy posted:^ pretty much This is fantastic. Can't wait to see the paradox forums explode over the fact that their Spanish Cathar Iceland might have ~feeeemales~ in power. Can't have althistory here, after all.
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Do we know the distinction between the different administration laws? I assume feudal is normal, imperial is viceroyalties, but what is "late"?
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mythomanic posted:Do we know the distinction between the different administration laws? I assume feudal is normal, imperial is viceroyalties, but what is "late"? the weird transition period between feudal and parliamentary?
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How is West Africa being buffed and expanded on in this patch? I can hope, okay?
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Famethrowa posted:This is fantastic. Can't wait to see the paradox forums explode over the fact that their Spanish Cathar Iceland might have ~feeeemales~ in power. Man I assumed you'd be exaggerating here but I was reading the thread groody linked and yeah, welp
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Groogy posted:^ pretty much Mercia better start on notable at least then since the queens were for all intents and purposes co rulers
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Jan 8, 2016 08:43
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I love how much Paradox are still doing with this brilliant, brilliant game. With the possible nerf to map-painting, more internal mechanics are just what's needed. I very rarely buy expansions at full price but I have so many hours in CK2 it seems rude not to.
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quote:I hope the "status of women" thing doesn't turn out to be another batch of ahistorical liberal swedish social justice warrior bullshit shoved into the game. You know, like the silly patch feature which allows every single female ruler to lead armies into battle. 
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Burn the Paradox forums.
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Yes totally fighting for social justice when we are just giving an option that members of the community has asked for. Thought it was called capitalizing on a demand by providing supply. Also called making the money.
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Groogy posted:Yes totally fighting for social justice when we are just giving an option that members of the community has asked for. Thought it was called capitalizing on a demand by providing supply. Also called making the money. i, a paradox forum user, am personally deeply offended that paradox has chosen to depict women as anything more than babyfactories and concubines, and furthermore
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Won't they come around when they remember their beloved Byzantines had no less than three reigning empresses during the CK time period, and god-knows how many empresses-regent? (On that note, why is Irene of Athens' religion Catholic in the Charlemagne scenario? She opposed the Iconoclasts, but never showed any real sympathy for the Pope...)
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lol this is the game where you can kidnap women from other countries and force them to be your sex slaves, but it's got an "SJW agenda" because some laws might allow women to hold some positions of power, sure.
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Anyone who has played After the End, any idea why some of the Americanists in Florida can get concubines but some cannot? I cannot for the life of me find any differences. I thought maybe it was a cultural thing but nah, unless it is bugging out here and there.
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Synnr posted:Anyone who has played After the End, any idea why some of the Americanists in Florida can get concubines but some cannot? I cannot for the life of me find any differences. I thought maybe it was a cultural thing but nah, unless it is bugging out here and there. Tribal vs Feudal, maybe?
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Angry Salami posted:Tribal vs Feudal, maybe? Unless I'm missing some incredibly minor thing here (entirely possible, I haven't really done tribal anything), no that isn't it. I dunno whats up with it. Some of the mouseketeer guys have concubines, some don't have the space in their sheet. I chose the independent guy west of them and I don't have the option for concubines but one of my vassals does? It is all kinds of weird. It might just be some weirdness with Americanism being in there with the pagan stuff and not showing up right. I was deeply confused when I realized the atom worshippers were in my religion group.
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Angry Salami posted:Won't they come around when they remember their beloved Byzantines had no less than three reigning empresses during the CK time period, and god-knows how many empresses-regent? Who was that one lady who married a dude and basically she'd ride into battle with him as his queen? Was that Eleanor of Aquitaine?
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My current best commander is an 82 year old with 32 martial. He doesn't even have the 'Jesus gives military advice' trait.
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So how much work is it to mod in a completely new map (like, a new fictional continent in place of the vanilla world)? I've got a really crazy Crisis of the Confederation-inspired idea.
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DrSunshine posted:Who was that one lady who married a dude and basically she'd ride into battle with him as his queen? Was that Eleanor of Aquitaine? Sikelgaita, wife of Robert Guiscard, aka Robert D'Hauteville in CK2 1066 start.
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Groogy posted:Yes totally fighting for social justice when we are just giving an option that members of the community has asked for. Thought it was called capitalizing on a demand by providing supply. Also called making the money. Everyone knows Scandanavians aren't capitalists. Don't lie to us. 
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When Paradox added an option that the community had asked for i lost my ability to feel human etc. Actually lost my ability to feel human when they didn't install bookshelf wallpaper in the new office 
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Edit: This looks great. I am really interested in the women rights thing. I can't tell you how many times I tried to start with a Queen only to have by game end when she died.
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Drone posted:So how much work is it to mod in a completely new map (like, a new fictional continent in place of the vanilla world)? I've got a really crazy Crisis of the Confederation-inspired idea.
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Isn't war score meant to tick up as long as you control the holding in question or does it only go down when you don't control it? I've been fighting a war against the Knights Hospitaller for 7 loving years over 1 barony which I have held the whole time, I've been beating them and their allies in battles and besieging their allies' holdings yet seems the only thing making the war score go up is to walk all across Europe besieging their baronies 1 by 1. That seems dumb. If I achieved my objective and they have had no success whatsoever dislodging me in 7 years then...shouldn't I win?
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My council voting on poo poo? drat, they be ignorable for consequences and I hope to hell they don't use the awful logic used by regents to decide poo poo. (Or at least a bit more lenient version) Other than that, looking baller. Though the weakening of marital alliances will still make me cry a lil.
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Synnr posted:Unless I'm missing some incredibly minor thing here (entirely possible, I haven't really done tribal anything), no that isn't it. I dunno whats up with it. Some of the mouseketeer guys have concubines, some don't have the space in their sheet. I chose the independent guy west of them and I don't have the option for concubines but one of my vassals does? It is all kinds of weird. The green guy that isn't Caribbean empire? That guy is Brethren the Pirate religion
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Eustachy posted:Isn't war score meant to tick up as long as you control the holding in question or does it only go down when you don't control it? I've been fighting a war against the Knights Hospitaller for 7 loving years over 1 barony which I have held the whole time, I've been beating them and their allies in battles and besieging their allies' holdings yet seems the only thing making the war score go up is to walk all across Europe besieging their baronies 1 by 1. That seems dumb. If I achieved my objective and they have had no success whatsoever dislodging me in 7 years then...shouldn't I win?
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