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vyelkin posted:Weed is de facto legal at the moment since most police departments have given up trying to enforce the current law but right now the money is untaxed, the product is unregulated, a lot of the profits end up with illegal criminal organizations, and the law still being on the books gives police a piece of authority that they can use to harass people for other things, which generally targets minorities more than white people (police can justify harassment by saying they smelled weed, for example). It's still not a good situation to be in and I'm glad it will be legalized. That being said, CI is absolutely right in saying that this should really not be the #1 issue or priority of the new government or of the Canadian people. "Hey, the country may be nosediving into an economic crash and all our politicians are saying is 'jump faster', but at least we can get high when we're unemployed" is really not a healthy way to view the country and its political climate. Most, but not all: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nanimo-marijuana-dipensaries-rcmp-pot-search-warrants-1.3345723 I can't speak to the validity of the complaints, but certainly the fact that in some jurisdictions it may as well be legal (such as Vancouver) is not consistent everywhere.
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Cultural Imperial posted:gently caress you Toronto Toronto Hydro privatization plan in the works quote:Behind-the-scenes work is ongoing for the possible sale of a minority stake in city-owned Toronto Hydro to help fund the city’s massive capital needs including Mayor John Tory’s SmartTrack plan, the Star has learned.
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Coolwhoami posted:Most, but not all: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nanimo-marijuana-dipensaries-rcmp-pot-search-warrants-1.3345723 It's more like everywhere that isn't policed by the RCMP.
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I hate the current generation of Canadian politicians, also the previous one.
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Coolwhoami posted:Most, but not all: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nanimo-marijuana-dipensaries-rcmp-pot-search-warrants-1.3345723 quote:Nanaimo RCMP served search warrants on three marijuana dispensaries Tuesday following several complaints including selling pot to minors and actively soliciting sales from the sidewalk. *sigh* Okay guys, we're gonna go over the Two Rules again. Listen to them: Rule #1: Do not break the law. Rule #2: If you are going to break the law, don't be a dick about it.
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flakeloaf posted:*sigh* Ask me about my life in the last few days after Dana Larsen mailed a gram of weed to every single Liberal MP. 
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Franks Happy Place posted:Ask me about my life in the last few days after Dana Larsen mailed a gram of weed to every single Liberal MP. I just can't wait for legalization so that everybody and their brother stops asking me for medical authorization.
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I notice how whenever selling off public assets is bruited about, there is always talk of the 'payoff' and 'windfall' that can then be spent on [insert things people like here]. But propose increasing taxes and then using the revenue to purchase [things people like here] and you're treated with 'tax grab' and the like. Because stuff isn't worth anything as long as the government owns it, but once it's in the hands of private industry well then whoooo boy look at that cash gusher
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Franks Happy Place posted:Ask me about my life in the last few days after Dana Larsen mailed a gram of weed to every single Liberal MP. Do... do you want to talk about it? weed status: still not decriminalized, still not legal. canadia status: libs gonna lib https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra4R4yBIoGk Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 9, 2016 |
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Tochiazuma posted:I notice how whenever selling off public assets is bruited about, there is always talk of the 'payoff' and 'windfall' that can then be spent on [insert things people like here]. This is majorly due to extremely successful campaign over the past few decades to convince everyone that businesses are inherently more efficient, which was made very easy to do because of how frequently governments engage in shady poo poo. The problem is that people are not very good at understanding the math behind large transactions like this to begin with, which means they are instead inclined to haul out heuristics to make judgements. Worse, "efficiency" is a term that goes unscrutinized. Efficiency at what? Making money? What is the purpose of generating money? For governments, most usually this is to spend it (obviously). If we sell a business at a profit, but were using/providing services from that business, either that business was running so inefficiently that it could have been easily corrected through outside consulting, or that company is going to turn around and profit from US. We really need to better emphasize the whys of things, and if things are being inefficient, the answer should not be the uniform strategy of privatization. We should be looking into things privatization does to make things "more efficient" (if it even does), and ensure that those things are actually tangible and not simply shuffling around numbers to make things appear good on the books. A thing easily forgotten in these matters is that businesses can, and often do, fail (well, at least if they're small enough). To run something that cannot, or does not, is very often going to involve an increased cost. That should not excuse blatantly inefficient or fraudulent practises in governments, but at the same time if we sell a crown corporation to private industry (and one we need, say, an electrical company) and it fails, it is unacceptable to me that those who purchased it can easily slip away from the consequences of that failure while we are footed the bill for their lovely practises.
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You know how to make businesses more efficient? Don't hire lazy or dumb people. Boom shakalaka
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Ontario electricity companies can't fail, they just apply for a rate increase and get it and then the government celebrates that they're encouraging conservation and saving the planet.
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flakeloaf posted:*sigh* Meanwhile, the pot shop just down the street from the courthouse (the one that doesn't sell to minors and has a relatively discrete storefront) appears to still be in business. I think you might be on to something.
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Hexigrammus posted:Meanwhile, the pot shop just down the street from the courthouse (the one that doesn't sell to minors and has a relatively discrete storefront) appears to still be in business. I think you might be on to something. Hence my lack of overall committal to the why of it. All I had to work with was people talking/writing about how terrible this was and how nothing wrong was being done etc. etc.
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Albino Squirrel posted:I'm actually eagerly awaiting your effortpost from the front lines of legalization. Which presumably generally has more tact than Larsen. OK, I'll try to skirt around the things I still can't talk about yet. I'm going to break this down in order of what level of government did what first. I hope that makes it easier to follow this loving rat's nest of horseshit. Municipal One day the VPD woke up and said, "You know what? gently caress it. I hate arresting people for weed. Let's just... stop doing that." This was driven in part by the fact that the medical marijuana system created enough quasi-legal grey areas that it became very difficult to pin down who was actually committing a crime. After all, if the grow op has an MMR license for at least some of what they produce, are you going to kick down their door and... audit them? The Supremes are still looking at whether or not the Harper-era Health Canada's restrictions on production and sale for MMR patients is legal, so the dispensaries are also in a grey area, especially the ones that have some kind of doctor's note system (which is most of them, with one notably insane chain whose owner appears dead set on leapfrogging Emory and going straight to Gitmo, but that's another matter). So the police are disinterested in arresting for simple possession, and can't really pin down the growers or retailers. So they said "gently caress it" and kicked the ball to pretty much everyone else. So now the City of Vancouver wakes up one morning ~3 years ago and there's a loving weed store on every block. Some of them are sketchy as hell, some of them are just breaking normal zoning laws, it's a shitshow. Eventually Vancouver's council takes some comfort from full legalization in Washington and Colorado, and decides to jump right into the deep end by proposing a business license system for these dispensaries. At the very least, they figure, we can get them to obey normal zoning laws, and set some basic restrictions on advertising, on-site consumption, etc. Except they pass a bylaw that looks like it was written by a four year old. It's full of nonsense, and nobody consulted with: a) the surveying department (who now need to measure the distance between ~200 stores and every school, Neighborhood House, and Community Center near them), or b) the Board of Variance who will hear appeals from every dispensary that got rejected because the City can't measure for gently caress all. Seriously, they hosed up the measurement system, and even tagged some random buildings in Vancouver as Community Centers just to add to the confusion. So now the Board of Variance is hearing like 150 appeals. They normally hear four appeals a day (and that includes every zoning bylaw appeal they normally deal with). Again, shitshow. Oh, and one last weird thing- the City included a clause in their bylaw mandating that all dispensaries join CAMCD, the closest thing we have to something like NORML in the States. Except one of CAMCD's board members has this habit of mailing drugs to sitting MPs... Kind of problematic! (CAMCD is going through massive governance reform and will probably be an excellent business organization in a few months, but it's kind of funny that CoV just picked a random organization out of a hat and forced every cannabusiness to join them.) Other cities have decided that the Vancouver poo poo-show model is the one for them, particularly Toronto, where city council has decided to stick their head in the sand and hum real loud while four billion dispensaries open up at the same time. They are basically waiting until the Feds and/or Wynne Junta come up with some policies, so in the meantime, enjoy your quasi-legal weed, Toronto Goons! This was the stare of things in October 2015, when... Federal Somehow, Trudeau the Younger wins an election, having included full legalization in his platform. So now whatever few fucks the VPD gave about sketchy grow ops or lovely retailers goes right out the window- what's the point of bringing charges against somebody when it takes a geological Age to get before a provincial judge, and in that time you're going to legalize the thing you're charging them with? Pretty demoralizing if you're a cop. So gently caress it, don't bother. Even the RCMP are slowing their roll, compared to a few years ago. Circling back to CAMCD, they are literally the only national organization in the country with any kind of policy experience in this area, and they're woefully understaffed, what with being basically conjured by government fiat only a few months ago. There was no organized national marijuana lobby with a constituency and political capital involved in the Liberal platform promise, so there's a sucking vacuum in terms of industry input, lobbyists, etc. Amount of consultation that has occurred between the Feds and CAMCD to date: square root of gently caress all. That will change shortly (cough cough ahem), but for now everyone is standing around holding their dicks and having wrong opinions ("Oh, weed is about to be made legal, there's no need to lobby anymore  "). I'm literally asking questions about specific points of policy or law that nobody is considering, and that is deeply terrifying to both myself and everyone else in the room who winces when I ask a question.Example: "Sooooo... who regulates whether or not the weed has been washed clean of pesticides correctly?" *everyone poops their pants simultaneously* Provincial The main role of the provinces in this multi-layered poo poo show appears to be "proposing super loving dumb ideas". They are the ones pushing to sell weed in liquor stores, which if you've ever read any study about things like the use of weed as a coping mechanism for recovered alcoholics who need a substitute, or the impact of cannabis on people who have only consumed a little bit of alcohol and would not normally be impaired, but are now CRUNK, you would know that this is such a self-evidently stupid idea that I don't know how it's going around so much. (The Ontario Liberals!) 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Franks Happy Place posted:Provincial The liquor store thing is pretty funny. One moment the BC Liberals are doing their level best to privatize the retail assets of the BCLCB to the lowest bidder, the next they're scrambling to try and insist that weed gets sold at BCLCB retail. Color me shocked as a rock if in ten years they've succeeded at both and we're back to a healthy weed black market; because nobody wants to buy the overpriced and resoundingly lovely molson-weed being peddled by whatever multinational conglomerate the Libs have succeeded in selling out to.
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Gotcha. So basically it's like most new government initiatives where we try to conjure expertise out of thin air, gently caress it up horribly, and figure out a half-assed way of doing things three years in?
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Albino Squirrel posted:Gotcha. So basically it's like most new government initiatives where we try to conjure expertise out of thin air, gently caress it up horribly, and figure out a half-assed way of doing things three years in? Fortunately there are about... six? of us who are adult and experienced enough to be kicking and screaming against that outcome. It probably won't help as much as I'd like, but it's so rare to get a chance to work in government policy "greenfield" like this...
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Boomers I talk to think it's great that the feds are going to legalize weed, because finally they can do something about the out-of-control THC levels giving people schizophrenia. If they get their way, and they usually do, it's gonna be supremely bad.
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THC posted:Boomers I talk to think it's great that the feds are going to legalize weed, because finally they can do something about the out-of-control THC levels giving people schizophrenia. If they get their way, and they usually do, it's gonna be supremely bad. Back in my day we smoked a TON of weed but it wasn't dangerous like your weed because it was lower thc levels.
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I'm so glad someone is thinking deeply about this Very Important Issue. Clearly the most fascinating topic of our times
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Jordan7hm posted:Back in my day we smoked a TON of weed but it wasn't dangerous like your weed because it was lower thc levels. Honestly, I don't think really strong weed is dangerous, but I actually prefer weaker stuff. Same reason I like beer and wine more than drinking hard liquor -- it's easier to avoid getting completely shitfaced/high and you can enjoy consumption over a longer period of time.
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Franks Happy Place posted:Informative weed stuff What I'm taking away from this is that they put less thought into legalizing weed than they did importing 25k refugees in 2 months. Which is to say almost none. That's nice because it's consistent so I can assume their infrastructure/economy plan is similar and feel comfortable about getting every cent I have out of canadian investments.
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Perhaps there is a need for Sober Second Thought after all.
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Albino Squirrel posted:Gotcha. So basically it's like most new government initiatives where we try to conjure expertise out of thin air, gently caress it up horribly, and figure out a half-assed way of doing things three years in? But LEGALIZE WEED NOW!!!!1!
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I wonder if the Liberals somehow lost all their policy wonks from being out of power for ten years and spending four years as the third party, or if they just never had any policy wonks for things like admitting refugees and legalizing weed.
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I think it's way too early to blame any of this on the federal Liberals. They aren't the reason the industry are a bunch of disorganized libertarians with no concept of effective organization and advocacy... and it's not their job to fix that, either. If Monsanto/Molson/the provincial liquor store unions run the table because the dispensaries have their thumbs up their collective asses, that's just how government works. You can't defer to stakeholders you never heard from, etc.
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quote:B.C. Premier Christy Clark calls by-elections for two ridings The BC NDP still seem like such insane basketcases that I want to vote for another party to ~send them a message~. Voting for the Greens seems like the obvious choice, but I'm kinda liking the comedy option voting BC Liberals. Is Mr.Drew going to exclusively campaign at 33 Acres?
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since 1996. Ms. Kwan is now serving as a federal MP after winning a seat for the NDP in last fall’s federal election.
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Yeah... So here's the thing about Tory, he's a a "business man", and evidently what that means is he trusts his acolytes and advisors implicitly. He's just there to give broad direction, and when they tell him something is a good idea, he'll just say it as fact. So we have things like Smart Track, and earnest discussion about privatizing Hydro, that got one of his rivals laughed out of the race back in 2014. This is a guy who got upset that city staff weren't giving him the numbers he needed to show that privatizing garbage collection east of Yonge was a good idea. He was told it was something that needed to happen, he repeated that to the press, so when the numbers show otherwise it's a conspiracy, rather than a reflection of reality. If it's something his admin has been working on since before the election, whether he knew of it or not, he'll back it come hell or high water.
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Tory continues the trend of really subpar mayors. Apparently the talent pool is very shallow. Some cities have managed to squeak out some accomplishments despite a retard at the helm but Toronto has just kind of coasted while performing damage control for the last always years.
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cowofwar posted:Tory continues the trend of really subpar mayors. Apparently the talent pool is very shallow. Some cities have managed to squeak out some accomplishments despite a retard at the helm but Toronto has just kind of coasted while performing damage control for the last always years. Qualified people are uninspiring, and uninspiring people don't drive the vote.
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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ontario-city-defends-saudi-arms-deal-as-integral-to-regions-economy/article28063630/ Well, it is the Serial Killer capital of the world. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/london-ont-was-world-s-serial-killer-capital-uwo-prof-1.3207957
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Have any of you Ontario goons bought a tire in the last seven years? TorStar posted:Ontario tire recycling fees fund boozy board dinners
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quote:“I am not uncomfortable with the nature of the meetings, the nature of the meals, or the nature of the accommodations,” said Glenn Maidment, chair of the tire stewardship. “All of those things, I think, were fair and reasonable.” Said every corrupt official in human history
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I'm so triggeredquote:The stewardship spent $3,200 on a donation to the Liberal’s 2015 Summer Golf Classic “with special guests Hon. Kathleen Wynne & Members of the Ontario Liberal Caucus.” Maidment said the stewardship was “absolutely” justified in donating money to meet Wynne on the course and explain concerns about changes related to the program’s $49.6-million surplus.
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There's nothing wrong with selling LAVs to Saudi Arabia.
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