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The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. I still haven't finished reading it, but have read few things as crushing as part two.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. This was abjectly depressing. Thanks... kinda.
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Jan 9, 2016 18:13
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. I read this with my 2 year old daughter climbing around on me and making monkey noises, and now I'm weeping. She's sleeping with mom and dad tonight.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:24
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quote:When Phoebe’s MawMaw took her to see Santa in 2014, Phoebe drew him a picture and asked him what he wanted for Christmas. 
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Jan 10, 2016 04:15
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. gently caress
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Jan 10, 2016 08:01
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. Holy poo poo that was even worse than Dear Zachary.
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Jan 10, 2016 09:50
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:How many of you live in Oregon? How many of you have heard of the cascadia fault line? How many know it's due for a major earthquake and tsunami? Like any day to 40 years from now soon? How would you like to be that Cassandra who keeps trying to make it safer but run against human nature to not do anything? I used to live in the area of california this threatens and because ca gets tons of minor quakes but not in this area people are super nonchalant about it but there is evacuation procedures in place for the danger areas.
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Jan 10, 2016 12:24
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. I totally get raising a kid with mental problems you're not possibly prepared to deal with can be extremely stressful, but the way his uncles talk about him is pretty heartbreaking too. "Born evil", drat.
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Jan 10, 2016 12:36
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WickedHate posted:I totally get raising a kid with mental problems you're not possibly prepared to deal with can be extremely stressful, but the way his uncles talk about him is pretty heartbreaking too. "Born evil", drat. Yeah, I came away from it questioning whether or not his uncles damnation of him helped keep him going down the wrong path. "He ruined a brand new pair of loafers when I was smothering him with a blanket, what a demon child!" 
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Jan 10, 2016 13:46
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Yeah, I wonder if their perception of him might not have been colored by his father's----and later, his own--homophobia.
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Jan 10, 2016 14:16
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Astrofig posted:Yeah, I wonder if their perception of him might not have been colored by his father's----and later, his own--homophobia. That absolutely could be the case. But, keep in mind that John may also have been gay, so his own confusion about his sexuality may also have been a result of his rejection by the two gay role models in his life as well as his father's terrible example (for all we know his father has the same proclivities).  John is just as much a child failed by the system as Phoebe was. He's a piece of poo poo now, but he might not have been if his uncles had fought just a little harder for him.
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Jan 10, 2016 14:30
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All of this is just more reasons for parental procreation permits.
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Jan 10, 2016 16:10
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wootsie posted:Totally agree. Can't stand some of the sensationalist bullshit, but I loved his satanic panic stuff. It's hit or miss, but pretty decent when he stays focused. Just listened to the goddamn Andrea Yates episode TREATED AND RELEASED, TREATED AND RELEASED
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Jan 11, 2016 03:52
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WickedHate posted:All of this is just more reasons for parental procreation permits. Ah yes the stealth anti-prochoice approach. Very daring, instead of taking away a woman's right to choose, you take away everyone's. Still fails the "not literally a part of previous fascist ideology" test.
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Jan 11, 2016 05:36
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Terrible Opinions posted:Ah yes the stealth anti-prochoice approach. Very daring, instead of taking away a woman's right to choose, you take away everyone's. Still fails the "not literally a part of previous fascist ideology" test. It's WickedHate. Just give up.
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Jan 11, 2016 06:10
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Gripen5 posted:I didn't think the fire was too bad in the first one, then all of the sudden at the 1 minute mark the smoke went from a little bit on the ceiling to very quickly covering the entire area in about 3 seconds. Apparently only then anyone had an inkling anything went wrong.
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Jan 11, 2016 06:14
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Yeah but I keep making the mistake of getting high and listening to Sword and Scale episodes, it's a trip Her husband thought she didn't need to be on meds. Seriously, gently caress any religion that believes the power of the invisible sky-daddy can fix a broken brain better than therapy or drugs. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
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Jan 11, 2016 06:17
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queserasera posted:Her husband thought she didn't need to be on meds. Seriously, gently caress any religion that believes the power of the invisible sky-daddy can fix a broken brain better than therapy or drugs. quote:According to trial testimony in 2006, Dr. Saeed advised Rusty, a former NASA engineer, not to leave Andrea unattended. However, he began leaving her alone with the children in the weeks leading up to the drownings for short periods of time hoping to improve her independence. Nice plan, you tremendous dipshit.
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Jan 11, 2016 06:51
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queserasera posted:Her husband thought she didn't need to be on meds. Seriously, gently caress any religion that believes the power of the invisible sky-daddy can fix a broken brain better than therapy or drugs. Am i reading this article wrong, because I'm having trouble finding anything that says she was anti-medication due to religious belief. She was on various medicines at various points
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Jan 11, 2016 09:07
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Terrible Opinions posted:Ah yes the stealth anti-prochoice approach. Very daring, instead of taking away a woman's right to choose, you take away everyone's. Still fails the "not literally a part of previous fascist ideology" test. I'm pro-abortion but centering the argument around the right to choose always confused me, when the other side thinks you're literally murdering babies shouldn't all your energy go into convincing people it's harmless instead of someone having the right to murder babies? If having children were regulated, you wouldn't have incidents like the Jonchucks, the Couches, and countless others.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:40
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WickedHate posted:I'm pro-abortion but centering the argument around the right to choose always confused me, when the other side thinks you're literally murdering babies shouldn't all your energy go into convincing people it's harmless instead of someone having the right to murder babies? About time someone sees common sense! We could finally do something about all these poor people having children, and while we're at it, do something about the disturbing number of minorities filling our cities. The problem isn't with the regulation of resources -- those on top have earned it and earned it fairly -- it's the surplus population taking up what little extra we can afford to give away.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:46
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WickedHate posted:I'm pro-abortion but centering the argument around the right to choose always confused me, when the other side thinks you're literally murdering babies shouldn't all your energy go into convincing people it's harmless instead of someone having the right to murder babies? Please stay in BSS wickedhate. Everybody Wickedhate is like 17 so just dont engage, she'll grow out of this and be super embarrassed in a few years.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:52
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The Long Fall of Phoebe Jonchuck - Despite spending a lifetime in the legal system, with many violent arrests, John Jonchuck wasn't considered a threat by police and DFC. Then he threw his daughter off a bridge. After reading this article, I decided to take a break from the internet for a while, and took my 4yo daughter out to play in the freshly fallen snow. Hauling her around the backyard on her sled for half an hour went a long way toward exorcising the demons that Phoebe's story left me with.
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Jan 11, 2016 16:22
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i started reading The Day After World War III this week, it's good poo poo. thank you creepy thread
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Jan 11, 2016 17:06
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I read the first page of that Phoebe Jonchuck story and made myself close it. Nope nope nope. So, I can't exactly post warm fuzzy things in this thread, but I went looking for stories about kids undergoing terrifying events and surviving, as a bit of a palate cleanser: Girl survives being sucked through flooded drainpipe: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/07/16/12-year-old-girl-survives-after-being-sucked-into-drainpipe/ Toddler abandoned in desert, found alive 20 hours later: http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1996/Man-Accused-of-Killing-Wife-Abandoning-Daughter-in-Desert/id-e974c88ca4044e698b4a5b35de5521ea Abuse victim who weighed 45 pounds at age 19 confronts his mom in court: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/11/nyregion/11starve.html?_r=0 Boy sucked up into tornado, safely set back down: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/8-year-old-boy-alabama-survives-sucked-tornado-article-1.109111
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Jan 11, 2016 18:51
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pookel posted:Abuse victim who weighed 45 pounds at age 19 confronts his mom in court: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/11/nyregion/11starve.html?_r=0 That one is worse. Tons of people saw four kids being starved and thought there was nothing wrong. The kids' siblings, the family's church, etc. all defended the abusers. Meanwhile the kids were like this: "Bruce, who weighed approximately 45 pounds (20 kg) at the time and stood only 4 feet (1.2 m) tall; he was disoriented, shoeless, cold, and extremely malnourished, and the police believed him to be about seven years old. They then went to the Jackson home, where they found his adoptive brothers, who also appeared malnourished: Michael, age 9 and 23 pounds (10 kg); Tyrone, age 10 and 28 pounds (13 kg); and Keith, age 14 and 40 pounds (18 kg)." The family photo on the wiki page is pretty drat unnerving.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:30
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I have an endless fascination with stories of starved and neglected children, for some reason. I can't remember if it's been posted here (maybe I posted it, actually), but the stories out of the orphanage in Pleven, Bulgaria, a few years back, are even worse than that. Teenagers who weighed less than 20 pounds and were still the size of toddlers, kids whose disabilities were nothing worse than Down Syndrome but profoundly disabled through years of starvation. But what makes those stories a little more okay for me is when the kids get rescued. The guy in my link gained 95 pounds in 27 months (!). I wonder how he's doing these days.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:41
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Yeah but I keep making the mistake of getting high and listening to Sword and Scale episodes, it's a trip Because postpartum psychosis is a genuine thing, and is treatable.
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Jan 11, 2016 20:11
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Because postpartum psychosis is a genuine thing, and is treatable. Wiki posted:He also claimed that, despite his urgings to check her medical records for prior treatment, Dr. Saeed had refused to continue her regimen of the antipsychotic Haldol, the treatment that had worked for her during her first breakdown in 1999.[38] He added that she was too sick to be released from her last stay in the hospital in May 2001. He said he noticed the staff lower their heads as if in shame and embarrassment, turning away without saying a word. The hospital had no other choice due to the ten-day psychiatric hospitalization insurance constraints of their provider, Blue Cross Blue Shield, subcontracted by Magellan Health Services theflyingorc posted:Am i reading this article wrong, because I'm having trouble finding anything that says she was anti-medication due to religious belief. She was on various medicines at various points Wiki posted:Yates' first psychiatrist, Dr. Eileen Starbranch, testified that she urged the couple not to have more children, as it would "guarantee future psychotic depression". They conceived their fifth and final child approximately 7 weeks after her discharge. She stopped taking the Haldol in March 2000 and gave birth to daughter Mary on November 30 of that year. She seemed to be coping well until the death of her father on March 12, 2001.
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Jan 11, 2016 21:19
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Didn't Yates husband "not believe in psych meds" because people "just needed to pray/a kick in the pants" and wouldn't procure her meds on the proper schedule? Or was that the other one?
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Jan 11, 2016 21:39
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Didn't Yates husband "not believe in psych meds" because people "just needed to pray/a kick in the pants" and wouldn't procure her meds on the proper schedule? Or was that the other one? Does it really loving matter? quote:Matthew Swan, age 16 months, died of spinal meningitis in 1977 in Detroit, Michigan. His parents, Doug and Rita Swan, both lifelong Christian Scientists, retained Christian Science practitioners for spiritual “treatments.” http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=132 From what (little) I understand about the disease, death by meningitis means your brain is pretty much Swiss cheese. Fortunately, the parents quit the religion after their son died, but they can't even be tried for manslaughter because religion. My religious background includes a rule where you can break all the other rules if it means saving someone's life: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh
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Jan 11, 2016 21:57
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Didn't Yates husband "not believe in psych meds" because people "just needed to pray/a kick in the pants" and wouldn't procure her meds on the proper schedule? Or was that the other one? I found at least one document with that quote doing a little research. It seems like the religious angle wasn't really a major cause in her case, though it might have had some level of influence. At one point in time, she was taking her medication. Then her dad died, she stopped the meds, and things went really bad really quick. And the husband left her alone for an hour even though the doctor said "never leave her alone".
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Jan 11, 2016 22:10
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queserasera posted:My religious background includes a rule where you can break all the other rules if it means saving someone's life: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh That's pretty freaking cool and I did not know about that. Nice to see some common sense built into the system. I'm glad I learned something nice from this thread. 
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Jan 11, 2016 22:15
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Karma Monkey posted:That's pretty freaking cool and I did not know about that. Nice to see some common sense built into the system. I'm glad I learned something nice from this thread.
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Jan 11, 2016 23:07
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queserasera posted:Does it really loving matter? Uh, well it explains the religious angle that the previous posters were asking about, so yes?
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Jan 12, 2016 01:15
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A man is found dead in a locked hotel room, apparently from natural causes. But during the autopsy, a mortician discovers that his organs are crushed and he bears all the signs of suffering a violent beating, yet there's no external marks or signs of anyone else being in the hotel room. Everyone is baffled. It's a great detective story: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/05/true-crime-elegante-hotel-texas-murder
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Jan 12, 2016 01:15
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Mr. Flunchy posted:A man is found dead in a locked hotel room, apparently from natural causes. But during the autopsy, a mortician discovers that his organs are crushed and he bears all the signs of suffering a violent beating, yet there's no external marks or signs of anyone else being in the hotel room. Everyone is baffled. That was a good find, a really amazing detective story.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:A man is found dead in a locked hotel room, apparently from natural causes. But during the autopsy, a mortician discovers that his organs are crushed and he bears all the signs of suffering a violent beating, yet there's no external marks or signs of anyone else being in the hotel room. Everyone is baffled. its not the first time this PI has popped up in vanity fair either, and the other one is also an insanely pro read, if only for the pic f the PI at the top: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/12/vanishing-blonde-201012
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Jan 12, 2016 05:11
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Here's one I haven't seen mentioned yet---the Minnesota Starvation Experiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment The goal was purportedly to determine how best to rehabilitate starving refugees following WW2. The results were...interesting. All the subjects showed psychiatric symptoms and obsession with food during the restrictive phase and during recovery. One guy even chopped off three fingers but couldn't remember why.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:A man is found dead in a locked hotel room, apparently from natural causes. But during the autopsy, a mortician discovers that his organs are crushed and he bears all the signs of suffering a violent beating, yet there's no external marks or signs of anyone else being in the hotel room. Everyone is baffled. There was a 20/20 episode on this too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIKFydvOB1o
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