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I was pretty obviously asking about him being lumped in with conservative shitheads since he wasn't brought up before that and I've never heard of him being vocally political.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:29
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BaurusJA posted:Following EvE politics as a past time while I don't have a gaming rig for the past few years I noticed even Goons who spend 20-30 hours a week want nothing to do with the "gamer identity." One of the really bizarre things that happened with relation to MRAism, Reddit, and GamerGate is that a small subset of "people that play games" suddenly decided what "gamer" meant and it was not "person who play games." They created this entire culture around being useless, unemployed neckbeards that hate the rest of the world and expect to be catered to because, by the hours, they're the ones that play games the most. The stupid thing is it's because they often have nothing else going on in their lives. They also don't drive sales; casuals make up the majority of game purchases because, hey, most people that like games have lives and play games for fun in their spare time. All told "gamers" are a demographic that can probably be safely ignored.
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Jan 10, 2016 02:31
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Have some friends who worked on Damages, and described him as the biggest all around douchenozlle they ever worked with. TO me someones politics shouldn't impact why I see their movies, its if their a douchenozzle. IT does happen that more right wingers tend to being douchenozzles though.
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Jan 10, 2016 03:33
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BiggerBoat posted:Not really, no. I frequent this board because it's heavily moderated and for the most part, it's funny and the folks who post here seem intelligent and well informed but, no, I don't shape my identity around it. Like at all. Identifying as a SA forum poster would be bizarre, sure. But people self-identifying according to their pastimes is hardly strange. Lots of people identify by the books they read, or as readers in general. Likewise with music, movies, and sports fans. And that's just restricting it to things people spectate rather than actual participatory hobbies, which games also are. A great many of them are  consumer products too, so nothing strange even there.ToxicSlurpee posted:One of the really bizarre things that happened with relation to MRAism, Reddit, and GamerGate is that a small subset of "people that play games" suddenly decided what "gamer" meant and it was not "person who play games." They created this entire culture around being useless, unemployed neckbeards that hate the rest of the world and expect to be catered to because, by the hours, they're the ones that play games the most. This is a lot more on point. Again, it's nothing all that strange for a small subset of fanatics in a field to go into weird purist arguments and tell others they're doing it wrong, but this time is very unusual in matter of degree. Probably has a lot to do with how video games and the internet both intersect as something that still clings to a "nerd poo poo" reputation years after becoming something grandma spends half her free time on.
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Crowsbeak posted:Have some friends who worked on Damages, and described him as the biggest all around douchenozlle they ever worked with. TO me someones politics shouldn't impact why I see their movies, its if their a douchenozzle. IT does happen that more right wingers tend to being douchenozzles though. drat, that's disappointing.
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Killer robot posted:This is a lot more on point. Again, it's nothing all that strange for a small subset of fanatics in a field to go into weird purist arguments and tell others they're doing it wrong, but this time is very unusual in matter of degree. Probably has a lot to do with how video games and the internet both intersect as something that still clings to a "nerd poo poo" reputation years after becoming something grandma spends half her free time on. To be honest I think a lot of it has to do with the internet being these peoples' only outlet to the outside world. How many of them are basement-dwelling nerds with no money to actually go somewhere and do something? One of the issues is that they're often middle/upper middle-class white guys whose parents can support them more or less indefinitely. Part of it is nerdy association and that comes from the fact that nerds = smart and these people think they're smart and have nerdy interests so they're obviously smarter than everybody else. Given that a lot of them are white as hell and don't see the outside world it gets tied up in with racism and what have you. For a very long time gaming, especially online, was almost exclusively male so you get it wrapped up with "white men are the smartest people ever. I am a white man ergo I am super smart and everybody else is super dumb." It's why right wing nonsense got so appealing to the demographic. Suddenly non-white non-male people were getting interested in games as well, partly because it became just plain cheaper. Suddenly their interest wasn't some exclusive club that only white dudes ever bothered joining but something that was increasingly inclusive. So of course they're going to become hostile toward liberalism. Suddenly joking about black people stealing bikes is no longer acceptable or saying "tits or gtfo" within nanoseconds of learning that somebody is both online and female are no longer acceptable. Now it's being pointed out that their culture isn't as enlightened, progressive, and inclusive as they said it was and they loving hate that. I think this and just raw territorialism is why there is so much hostility right now. They're working from the assumption of "we are smart and our opinions are always right" and going from there. Of course it's also reactionary as hell. Some of the backlash against portrayal of female characters is where this gets really obvious and also shows blatantly how sexist gamer culture really is. A woman in a video game absolutely must be sexy in the minds of a lot of people. So once you make a female character that is defined by something other than how sexy she is they lose their drat minds. Given how unfriendly right wing politics are to women it's really no surprise that it's becoming a target demographic for the GOP. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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DrProsek posted:I basically stopped being a "gamer" right when I stopped being a conservative/libertarian. Once you get why rape jokes are at least not the greatest thing ever and racism still exists, listening to a self professed gamer talk is all the reason to stop being one. I was never really that right winged, but the straw that broke the camel's back for me was gamer gate. That poo poo combined with the rise of MRA and PUA BS really just made me want to distance myself from the whole "internet/gamer" scene. You quickly start seeing just pure assholishness every where associated with online geekdom and you come to realize that most people online are just some variety of miserable person with huge chips on their shoulders, nothing better to do with with themselves, and have horrible beliefs because of their completely hosed up social lives. Not the kind of thing I would be proud to associate myself with. ToxicSlurpee posted:
The fact that raising the question of the over-sexualization of women is met with "KEEP POLITICS AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OUT OF MY GAMES/COMICS/whatever" is the most telling things. The fact that it is "political" for them says it all. ToastyPotato fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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MaxxBot posted:I thought twitter was the dumbest thing in the world until I found out how easy it was to get relatively well known people to respond to my insulting troll tweets, now I think it's great. There's no other venue where these people would actually engage in debate, it's pretty funny how easily they're provoked by some random no-name rear end in a top hat. Well yeah, if they didn't respond it would be fascist SJW censorship of your brave ideas, and would ust prove they don't possess the logic and reason to debate you irl.
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Jan 10, 2016 04:13
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BaurusJA posted:But then again aren't goons semi-famous for playing Internet Spreadsheets in Space? #NotAllGoons etc. etc. 
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Jan 10, 2016 05:35
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ToastyPotato posted:The fact that raising the question of the over-sexualization of women is met with "KEEP POLITICS AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS OUT OF MY GAMES/COMICS/whatever" is the most telling things. The fact that it is "political" for them says it all. Yeah the thing that really confuses me is that relatively few people are saying "never sexualize a character, ever." Sex appeal is, in fact, a thing that exists so sometimes it's there sometimes it isn't. Video games are by nature a fantasy and don't reflect reality so the characters are probably going to be idealized in some way or another but as soon as you say "hey you know women that are not sex objects that exist solely to give you a boner exist as well" they starts to scream SJW and talk like everybody is trying to take their wank material away. Well no some people just want a story with a strong female character whose most prominent trait is something other than her breasts. If people want to make sexy characters they're welcome to, nobody really cares, it's just that acting like every female character must be sexy or it's oppression of men is just stupid. Granted it's also telling that they tend to not bitch about sexualized male characters existing. Or if they do it's "why is this character so homoerotic it bothers me." Well because some people want a story about a hot guy too.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:I was pretty obviously asking about him being lumped in with conservative shitheads since he wasn't brought up before that and I've never heard of him being vocally political. Sorry, I actually thought you weren't sure who it was cause I wasn't and had to google to find out Was trying to be helpful, not a butt 
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Magres posted:Sorry, I actually thought you weren't sure who it was cause I wasn't and had to google to find out Ah, gotcha, thanks then. You should check out the show Justified if you haven't. Think it's where most people know him from. 
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ToxicSlurpee posted:To be honest I think a lot of it has to do with the internet being these peoples' only outlet to the outside world. How many of them are basement-dwelling nerds with no money to actually go somewhere and do something? One of the issues is that they're often middle/upper middle-class white guys whose parents can support them more or less indefinitely. Part of it is nerdy association and that comes from the fact that nerds = smart and these people think they're smart and have nerdy interests so they're obviously smarter than everybody else. While this is all very true and well said, I think it's important to remember that there has never really been a time when non-white non-male non-hetero gamers didn't exist, or for that matter, exist in numbers (although definitely, those numbers have grown). It's just they got a bit of a voice and the industry actually (sort of, sometimes) started listening to them, so all of a sudden these guys realized their clubhouse had people who were, le gasp, different than they were. They seem to see it as an invasion when the reality is it's been that way all along, it's just they were pretty effectively ignored and silenced until fairly recently. I always find it so weird when people act like video games were invisible to every other demographic just because those demographics were mostly invisible to them.
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kartikeya posted:I always find it so weird when people act like video games were invisible to every other demographic just because those demographics were mostly invisible to them. Remember that these are largely the same people that previously spent their time huffing and puffing about gaming companies "suddenly" selling out to "casuals" (children and families).
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Coohoolin posted:If someone's seriously asking why "transethnic" isn't at the same level as transgenderism (I loving hope not) it's because gender dysphoria is an actual real thing that happens to people, while pigment dysphoria isn't. Tell that to Bobby Jindal. Have you ever been to an anime convention? I promise you will find some self described otaku who feel culturally Japanese at a big one. Wanting surgically created epicanthic folds is a thing: https://www.realself.com/question/surgery-for-epicanthic-fold1. Oh, and why do little black girls say the white dolls are prettier and look more like them? This is a clear case of racial dysphoria. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=7213714&page=1 quote:The majority -- 63 percent of them -- said they'd rather play with the white doll. Most said the white doll was nicer than the black doll and in the most poignant answer of all, 44 percent of the black children said the white doll looked most like them. When racism comes with a few perks for the minority races ( Asians are smart! ) you see people go the other way instead of just trying to pass for white - but passing for white has a long and storied history. Hell, back when the Irish weren't considered "white" one of my ancestors changed his name, moved, and pretended to be English. I used to hate my body because it made other people treat me poorly. The notion that my mind and body didn't match wasn't something that came from within, it was definitely something that came from without. But it felt like it came from within. Girls are like this, boys are like that. You are a girl so you must be like this!!!! I'd never have known something was wrong if people didn't keep slamming doors in my face with "no girls allowed" signs on them but since they did I spent a great deal of my childhood and adolescence insisting that I should be considered a boy and eschewing all things socially flagged as feminine. I was pleased as punch when I was mistaken for a boy. Then puberty hit and my body betrayed me even worse than it already had. Eventually I had an epiphany. My mind and body were fine and it was society that was wrong. I understand completely how hard it is to reach that understanding because I was in my thirties when I did. I've spent far longer experiencing gender dysphoria than I have truly understanding that gender roles are bullshit and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with me. Understanding this brings a wonderful peace of mind, but it doesn't stop being discriminated against due to my gender. It just means that I don't internalize the discrimination into self-hate anymore. Surgical/hormonal transformation could also have fixed the problem to a large extent by changing how everyone else treated me. The problem being the self-hatred. Society being assholes about gender is also a problem. But it's a problem to big for me to solve on my own. Seeking to pass as the other gender will continue to be a rational response as long as society tells people that who they are is only acceptable in the other gender. We are social beings and do a lot for acceptance. There is nothing wrong with the people who do this. Hopefully it brings them peace. The social norms that drove them to it I have a problem with.
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Ms pac man was marketed to girls and was the most successful arcade game ever made: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Pac-Man
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McAlister posted:Tell that to Bobby Jindal. I wanted to send you a PM, but you don't have PM's. This was 100% my experience as well. Thankfully I'm in a good situation now where it's not too bad, but the years spent with completely weird things being decided about me based on what my gender looked like to other people wasn't fun. What's interesting now is that I live in a different culture so all the biotruths stuff is real hilarious. If the poo poo people said about gender was really true then we would see a lot less variance in gender roles from country to country.
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http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/01/10/at-war-with-conservatives-stock-price-tanking-users-alienated-is-this-the-end-for-twitter/quote:Twitter is in crisis. Just as the value of its stock has dipped to an all-time low, it has picked a fight with conservative and libertarian users on its own platform. This marks a low point for a social media company that has spent the last year alienating its own users. How has it alienated anyone? All of my friends still use it. I've not seen anyone on my timeline throw their arms up and go "gently caress THIS." over anything twtter has done in the past year. quote:In addition to condemnation from conservative media, including The Blaze and Twitchy, it also drew the ire of independent observers such as tech entrepeneur Jason Calacanis and the influential advertising blog Adland. Even reports in outlets on the opposite end of the political spectrum to Yiannopoulos, like BuzzFeed, were not exactly pro-Twitter in their analysis. "Huh. Moments sure is stupid huh? Ah well. Gonna go tweet about this sporting event some more" - my timeline basically. quote:As Adland’s Åsk Wäppling explains: “Jack Dorsey has begun experimenting with a timeline view in which tweets are sorted by relevance – as determined by an algorithm which can only be as smart as the person who programmed it – rather than chronological time published.” There are no signs that either feature has been met with particular enthusiasm by users, who are accustomed to choosing the content they see on Twitter. I'm just stunned at how these people throw a hissy fit over this poo poo. You know, women, transgender people and others have faced legitimate harrassment online from shitbag trolls. But yeah, let's all ignore that and focus on one crybaby fake blonde loser that got unverified because he pretty much promotes hate speech. "Twitter's fanbase is rapidly declining". I really...really doubt that.
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I love how Milo calls himself a "cultural libertarian" while being a raging homophobe and misogynist. What does that word even loving mean? It's about as meaningless as the other gamergate favorite "cultural marxism."
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Jan 11, 2016 04:08
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MaxxBot posted:I love how Milo calls himself a "cultural libertarian" while being a raging homophobe and misogynist. What does that word even loving mean? It's about as meaningless as the other gamergate favorite "cultural marxism." Cultural Marxism isn't a meaningless phrase it means please ignore my opinions they are garbage.
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McAlister posted:When racism comes with a few perks for the minority races ( Asians are smart! ) you see people go the other way instead of just trying to pass for white - but passing for white has a long and storied history. Hell, back when the Irish weren't considered "white" one of my ancestors changed his name, moved, and pretended to be English. Racism never has any good perks for anyone. MaxxBot posted:I love how Milo calls himself a "cultural libertarian" while being a raging homophobe and misogynist. What does that word even loving mean? It's about as meaningless as the other gamergate favorite "cultural marxism." Anyone who wants to talk about "cultural marxism" should be demonstrated the fact that Soviet Union was very socially conservative.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Anyone who wants to talk about "cultural marxism" should be demonstrated the fact that Soviet Union was very socially conservative. B-b-b-but The Frankfurt School 
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"#JeSuisMilo is not just a momentary instance of outrage. The hashtag, still active after two days, " nah actually anyone who isn't obsessed with their tweetfeeds has forgotten about it. most of what's left is just shouting into the void. much like anything else milo has whined about incessantly and actually isn't in widespread view or cared about by normal people lol.
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MinibarMatchman posted:"#JeSuisMilo is not just a momentary instance of outrage. The hashtag, still active after two days, " Conservative outrage reminds me of a one-man band. It's just bunch of cacophonous noise made by a few people.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Conservative outrage reminds me of a one-man band. It's just bunch of cacophonous noise made by a few people. The best conservative outrage is when they are outraged over other peoples outrage. (Read: liberals) Essentially, 
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MinibarMatchman posted:"#JeSuisMilo is not just a momentary instance of outrage. The hashtag, still active after two days, " The only thing #JuSuisMilo really did was allow for Milo to ingeniously take away his supporters' ability to distance themselves from him when he eventually says something that manages to outrage the general public, not just Tumblr, Twitter, Reddit, or Breitbart's comment section community. Because he got a whole swath of idiots to publicly proclaim they were functionally an extension of himself. ...I wonder what horrible thoughts pass through Ben Shapiro's little head whenever he's forced to be in the same room with Milo? Or do you think he's attained a high enough level of cognitive dissonance to ignore the fact that from a non-political lifestyle perspective, Milo is the sum walking total of everything he has raged against since before he had a drivers license?
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Yeah I don't think Breitbart's done anything valuable in years, not since their namesake got a black Department of Agriculture head fired through the magic of video editing.
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Yeah I don't think Breitbart's done anything valuable in years, not since their namesake got a black Department of Agriculture head fired through the magic of video editing. And because of things like Breitbart and James O'Keefe, people instinctually ask the for the raw footage now instead of taking the edited video at face value. Speaking of raw footage, did anything ever come of the Center for Medical Progress giving that congressional committee all of the raw footage? Or did the committee just give up because all they could really say was, "  ABORTION BAD" to Cecile Richards?
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quote:The past few years have seen the growth of a relentless, radical, destabilising force in tech that threatens the political neutrality of virtually every company in Silicon Valley: the culturally authoritarian social justice warrior. This is the best line. SJW Ackbar 
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What was it that Milo said that got him in trouble w/ Twitter?
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Mister Macys posted:This is the best line. It's a trap you see.
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Only if you think it's bad, I guess. I however, am one of those authoritarians. 
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beatlegs posted:What was it that Milo said that got him in trouble w/ Twitter? Being a rabid oval office. Also he seems to be at war with Re/code for for not sufficiently sucking his self-loathing dick http://recode.net/2016/01/10/can-tw...y-suggests-not/
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I think I saw something tagging us as the real "homophobes" because we don't actually care about gay people like Milo, we only worry about an "agenda". I'm a bit puzzled by the mental gymnastics it would take to reach that conclusion. It just seems like old standby to remove any sort of guilt of supporting discrimination because some of the policies most of these people believe in are very harmful. Puntification posted:Cultural Marxism isn't a meaningless phrase it means please ignore my opinions they are garbage. I keep seeing this phrase used by white supremacists and those on the far right (ie: Cliven Bundy types) Which I mean goes along with their history brandishing any sort of progressive idealogy as "communism". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPXPtPoHKKg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPlj7m3lpo It's always tied in with Communism, Jews, and the UN for some reason.
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