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straight up brolic posted:but tbh i agree that the fact that what pacman did and what burfict did are tantamount in the eyes of the NFL illuminates the fact that they don't take player safety seriously at all. if you want to eliminate hits like that, make a defenseless/leading with the crown of the helmet hit a full field penalty...i bet people wouldn't do it if it was. It's really hard to believe Burfict wasn't thrown out for that hit. And yeah, the penalty for that being the same as Jones' is stupid.
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ALFbrot posted:You keep characterizing it like Porter went to Cincy's sideline and started jawing. He was escorting Brown off of the field and pushed Burfict's arm when he put his hand on Brown's shoulder. #95 ran up and bumped Porter, separating him from the Brown group, and several other Bengals came to surround him. Dickheads all around, but nothing flagrant or worth a flag. Why was Porter instigating the contact in the first place?
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Clearly Porter was on the field attending to Brown If all we're going by is what we see in that clip and nothing that happened before, I don't see porter even open his mouth or get in anyone's face.
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he was cursing? stop the dang presses
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Giodo! posted:If all we're going by is what we see in that clip and nothing that happened before, I don't see porter even open his mouth or get in anyone's face.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:21
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Why was Porter instigating the contact in the first place? Because Burfict was touching Brown. I can't imagine anyone from the Steeler sideline was very thrilled with Burfict at that moment, and they probably weren't willing to accept it as a gesture of apology
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Codependent Poster posted:Yes or no, it's okay for an assistant coach to go on the field and confront the other team and start cursing them out? If he had gone onto the field solely and expressly for the purpose of instigating a conflict, sure. But that is not what happened. As football zebras and others had said, he was allowed to be on the field, and he was tending to a player who was injured. He let emotions get the better of him and mouthed off as far as we can tell, but that series of events is far different from him heading out to the biggest group of bengals he could find to try and get someone to shove him, which seems to be what you are implying.
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ALFbrot posted:Because Burfict was touching Brown. I can't imagine anyone from the Steeler sideline was very thrilled with Burfict at that moment, and they probably weren't willing to accept it as a gesture of apology It's really unfair if this excuses Porters behavior.
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The NFL probably needs to get a lot less bashful about ejecting players, that will get some of them to work on their decision making pretty quick. The NCAA's targeting rule is stupid, but only because it doesn't allow for any subjectivity. The heart of it, that ejection is by far a more effective deterrent than anything else, is sound.
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Jan 10, 2016 07:23
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Come on you know you are deliberately stretching things here now Hell, you're right, it's extra mean words that are even meaner in context, or alternatively dances that go on slightly too long or involve too many people shazier should have been flagged and burfict was rightly flagged but the pacman thing should have been offsetting or just dealt with without flags, when poo poo like that is happening you have to understand that you need to defuse the situation, not dole out random punishments. yes this is hard: being a ref is hard. there are what, about 40 people who are qualified nfl officials? it's a hard job no poo poo
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Jan 10, 2016 07:24
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Bengals lost the game because Porter was on the field. Hilarious if true.
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CharlestheHammer posted:It's really unfair if this excuses Porters behavior. Joey Porter, secret ISIS leader, deserved a flag for not allowing Burfict to lay hands on the man whose brain he just liquefied.
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Frackie Robinson posted:The NFL probably needs to get a lot less bashful about ejecting players, that will get some of them to work on their decision making pretty quick. The NCAA's targeting rule is stupid, but only because it doesn't allow for any subjectivity. The heart of it, that ejection is by far a more effective deterrent than anything else, is sound. by the way, what I really didn't like about what burfict did is the fact that he knew brown didn't complete the pass, and he threw his elbow out in the process of making his hit. Like, he made his move to make the hit, knowing full well that the catch was incomplete and the player was defenseless. i mean it's a lot faster in real time speed but he knew.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:If he had gone onto the field solely and expressly for the purpose of instigating a conflict, sure. But that is not what happened. As football zebras and others had said, he was allowed to be on the field, and he was tending to a player who was injured. He let emotions get the better of him and mouthed off as far as we can tell, but that series of events is far different from him heading out to the biggest group of bengals he could find to try and get someone to shove him, which seems to be what you are implying. I wonder if you can find where in this you describe something that could be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
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ALFbrot posted:Joey Porter, secret ISIS leader, deserved a flag for not allowing Burfict to lay hands on the man whose brain he just liquefied. I agree with this Porter should not have involved himself at all.
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tk posted:I wonder if you can find where in this you can find describe that could be an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. I said earlier if Jones hadn't responded Porter could have easily found himself getting penalized but in a violent game when one person says mean words and the other one lays hands you do not call unsportsmanlike conduct on both, you call it on the person who escalated it to physical contact.
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ALFbrot posted:Because Burfict was touching Brown. I can't imagine anyone from the Steeler sideline was very thrilled with Burfict at that moment, and they probably weren't willing to accept it as a gesture of apology Obviously Cincy made their own bed, but Porter shouldn't be instigating conflict. Opposing players pat each other all the time; we see it nearly every dead ball. Coaches don't get to cross that line, especially when Burfict's initial conflict was just a pat on the back.
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Cincy fans making me want to defend Pittsburgh and referees. What has this world come to?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:If he had gone onto the field solely and expressly for the purpose of instigating a conflict, sure. But that is not what happened. As football zebras and others had said, he was allowed to be on the field, and he was tending to a player who was injured. He let emotions get the better of him and mouthed off as far as we can tell, but that series of events is far different from him heading out to the biggest group of bengals he could find to try and get someone to shove him, which seems to be what you are implying. Regardless of why he went out there, he obviously at some point was not tending to the injured player and became an instigator. So either flag both teams, or don't flag anyone and get the people where they're supposed to be.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I agree with this Porter should not have involved himself at all. Would you be more okay with it if it was a steelers trainer who pushed Burfict's hand away?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I said earlier if Jones hadn't responded Porter could have easily found himself getting penalized but in a violent game when one person says mean words and the other one lays hands you do not call unsportsmanlike conduct on both, you call it on the person who escalated it to physical contact. Which would be Porter?
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I mean I know Mike Tomlin is allowed to cross that line when other players are streaking up the sidelines... but other coaches arent.
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Obviously Cincy made their own bed, but Porter shouldn't be instigating conflict. Opposing players pat each other all the time; we see it nearly every dead ball. Coaches don't get to cross that line, especially when Burfict's initial conflict was just a pat on the back. Actually considering the amount of stupid players on the bengals, instigating conflict was the thing to do.
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Obviously Cincy made their own bed, but Porter shouldn't be instigating conflict. Opposing players pat each other all the time; we see it nearly every dead ball. Coaches don't get to cross that line, especially when Burfict's initial conflict was just a pat on the back. I figure the initial conflict was taking Brown's head off.
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riht posted:Cincy fans making me want to defend Pittsburgh and referees. What has this world come to? More fans should throw poo poo at Ben more often IMO. He might've wanted a beer anyways
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ALFbrot posted:Would you be more okay with it if it was a steelers trainer who pushed Burfict's hand away? I honestly don't think anyone should have done anything there unless he sincerely believed Burlict was gonna murder him. Which is silly.
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ALFbrot posted:Would you be more okay with it if it was a steelers trainer who pushed Burfict's hand away? It was the trainer that did that, wasn't it? I thought he did, because he looked really pissed and he should have been.
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Now I'm curious, does the NFL have specific rules in place for player/nonplayer interactions? You'd think this would be a thing, but it's the NFL so 
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Codependent Poster posted:Regardless of why he went out there, he obviously at some point was not tending to the injured player and became an instigator. At some point, you have to realize that your opinions on Joey Porter's thing that he did mean absolutely loving nothing and he didn't violate any rules, right?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I said earlier if Jones hadn't responded Porter could have easily found himself getting penalized but in a violent game when one person says mean words and the other one lays hands you do not call unsportsmanlike conduct on both, you call it on the person who escalated it to physical contact. Two wrongs make the first one right? Why does the penalty go away because he got what he wanted?
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WeLandedOnTheMoon! posted:Obviously Cincy made their own bed, but Porter shouldn't be instigating conflict. Opposing players pat each other all the time; we see it nearly every dead ball. Coaches don't get to cross that line, especially when Burfict's initial conflict was just a pat on the back. people are reacting to me like i'm saying they should babysit or that i'm treating the players like kids. i'm treating them like a group of people that just saw one of their own get their head taken off, and another group of people who just saw a personal foul wipe out an incomplete pass and potentially cost them the game. they were all pissed off! The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:Now I'm curious, does the NFL have specific rules in place for player/nonplayer interactions? Don't push/lunge at anybody between plays. I'm guessing that's generally laid out in the rule book.
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Seriously Lewis has so many players who do stupid poo poo and theres zero accountability. Should have been a penalty for that idiot who ran into the locker room. Oh wait he lost them the game after that nm.
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sportsgenius86 posted:At some point, you have to realize that your opinions on Joey Porter's thing that he did mean absolutely loving nothing and he didn't violate any rules, right? Talking poo poo can violate the rules depending on how trigger happy the ref is. Unsportsmanlike conduct and all that. It's rather vague tho.
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there should have been a penalty on everyone, for playing the modern bloodsport and giving the whole world CTE
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:Now I'm curious, does the NFL have specific rules in place for player/nonplayer interactions? From what I could find, Rule 13 article 8. quote:Article 8. Non-Player Personnel http://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2015-nfl-rulebook#rule-13.-non-player-conduct
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blablablabla posted:Seriously Lewis has so many players who do stupid poo poo and theres zero accountability. Should have been a penalty for that idiot who ran into the locker room.
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Regnevelc posted:I figure the initial conflict was taking Brown's head off. I forgot about all those other times when players got called for targeting and other coaches ran down the field to lay hands on opposing football players. That excuses it. Remember that time Marvin Lewis did it when Gio was targeted?
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Goetta posted:Which would be Porter? When did Porter touch Jones? tk posted:Two wrongs make the first one right? Why does the penalty go away because he got what he wanted? This isn't grade school, we are not talking about two wrongs making a right. A player putting hands on coaching staff is objectively worse than the coaching staff saying mean things and its absurd to think they should receive the same penalty. If both people commit similar offenses, you offset the penalties. If one party escalates the offense beyond what was done by the other, you punish the one who escalated.
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