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Are you being written by him? You're reading a lot more into it than what he said. He literally said "My answers aren't word of god, but <word of god statement>". I literally can't see another way to interpret that word of god statement than word of god in his own fanfic. It's not some sort of commentary on authors giving out word of god statements, he just took the opportunity to make one of his own while calling it slightly different, as he does in everything. What I was confused about is that his statement literally only applies to his own fanfic because there's evidence against it in the actual books, so it's entirely besides the point as an answer to the question in the link.
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Darth Walrus posted:Did she pull a George Lucas, though? I never kept up with her comments as an author, but the books themselves consistently defied that line of reasoning where magic was concerned. I guess you can argue she did better than Lucas by restricting her genetics comments to her website and various interviews? Tunicate posted:Rowling's statements about this, from a fan site that collected them Magical inheritance as described in the books is clearly not Mendelian and requires either some sort of Trinucleotide repeat mutation mechanism or a more complicated multiple gene interaction as described on sugarquil. Either way requires more than a few hoops to jump through, and Rowling would have been better off saying 'its magic!' and leaving it at that. Also red hair does not work that way!  Don't worry, you can rest assured that Yud deals with magical genetics in the i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Jan 10, 2016 |
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Jan 10, 2016 04:25
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There's no good way to introduce magic as a genetic thing without immediately introducing a eugenics conversation. Just.... say it's magic and leave it at that
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Jan 10, 2016 04:43
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An author could always flip the argument so that the pure blood families' magic weakens generation to generation while the muggle born magic that springs forth is strongest/purest. That way pure blood lines can inject more power into their lines by marrying muggle born wizards. That could provide an explanation for a descendant of Slytherin ending up as a near squib, and while you could still breed selectively to maximize power you'd have to be constantly looking outside the in group for people to strengthen the line.
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Red Mike posted:..What? So he was irritated by authors issuing Word of God statements, therefore he decided to issue a Word of God statement himself? I don't understand how that's in any way better. The fact that he worded it as "opinion of god" rather than "word of god" is way more consistent with an author that ascribes to death of the author describing their own interpretation of their work while recognizing it's not the only one.
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reignonyourparade posted:The fact that he worded it as "opinion of god" rather than "word of god" is way more consistent with an author that ascribes to death of the author describing their own interpretation of their work while recognizing it's not the only one. That reminds me, he said he'd wait a year between finishing the series and writing the "X-Years-After" Epilogue, in order to let people write their own continuation fanfictions. We're pretty close to a year since HPMOR finished, aren't we?
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NihilCredo posted:That reminds me, he said he'd wait a year between finishing the series and writing the "X-Years-After" Epilogue, in order to let people write their own continuation fanfictions. We're pretty close to a year since HPMOR finished, aren't we? Oh god. Have people actually been producing hpmor continuation fanfics?
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i81icu812 posted:Oh god. Have people actually been producing hpmor continuation fanfics? What do you think?
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Chapter 17 – Locating the Hypothesis Part Twenty-Two quote:
I don’t think being a Ravenclaw requires you to proritise your curiosity above all risk-benefit analysis or just plain self-preservation at all times. quote:
”Potion of eagle’s splendor” sounds more like the name of a potion in Dungeons & Dragons (TM) than the name of a Harry Potter potion. It sounds like it’d give you a bonus to Charisma or something. quote:
Wow. Sneaking into his adolescent students’ bedrooms at night while they were sleeping? This Dumbledore just keeps getting creepier and creepier. quote:
Good move young Eliezarry. Run! Run for your life!
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Snape's potion book is an established body of knowledge that has been modified and expanded on by theories and experimentation. It's pretty much the purest expression of scientific principles in the series, and big Yud changes it to Lily's book where she'd come up with hypotheses and then Dumbledore would sneak in and write down answer circumventing the need to test said hypotheses. Can't read anything deep into that...
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That part (well, this whole Dumbledore conversation, really) never made a lot of sense to me. What is the implication? That Harry's mother was an idiot who needed the intervention of Dumbledore to not do dangerous experiments/get good grades in potions class?
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I'd imagine it says that actually getting to the answers by yourself doesn't matter when they're provided to you. Y'know, more antiscience 101. Oh, and IIRC Eagle's Splendor is indeed a DnD charisma-boosting spell.
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But it sounds like Dumbledore is the one writing the stupid questions in her book and she's writing the replies? I guess he's trying to get her to do some scientific experimentation?
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EvilTaytoMan posted:But it sounds like Dumbledore is the one writing the stupid questions in her book and she's writing the replies? Which makes even less sense. It's this. Dumbledore's the one going 'What would happen if X', and she's the one drinking an experimental potion that nearly killed her. If anyone thinks this might be some sort of Chekov's gun or something, this entire bit is never mentioned again as far as I know.
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Oh. So he was just trying to poison her. Makes sense now.
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On first reading I assumed the friend Dumbledore mentions was Snape, and that Dumbledore was admitting to purposefully sabotaging their relationship, but that was back before I knew anything about Yud so I assumed it had to have some kind of narrative purpose. Now that I know better I'm pretty sure the whole thing was just to set up a really lame pun in the next few lines and that's it.
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Jan 11, 2016 19:06
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Isn't the implication that since Dumbledore could turn himself invisible, it was him who gave Harry the cloak? I remember reading the first few chapters of HPMOR and giving up because all its cold logic seemed to drain the wonder and fun out of everything. I wasn't surprised when I later learned that Yudkowsky was the one who wrote the (infamous?) baby-eating aliens story.
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Travenum posted:Isn't the implication that since Dumbledore could turn himself invisible, it was him who gave Harry the cloak? I quite liked the baby-eating aliens story, simply as an exercise in making aliens that seem alien rather than just rubber-forehead humans. It also has its human characters as being pretty weird, too. At the time I thought it was a clever commentary on how far-future-humanity would likely have a very different outlook on life than we do (kind of an inversion of the old "the past is a foreign country" thing), but now I'm leaning towards it just being down to Yud being Yud.
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The potion of eagle's splendor was Harry's mom became pretty. Harry could have figured it out given the information available
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i81icu812 posted:I guess you can argue she did better than Lucas by restricting her genetics comments to her website and various interviews? She also said that before Slytherin started being a racist fucker, muggleborns had a reputation of being magically stronger. quote:Slytherin's discrimination on the basis of parentage was considered an unusual and misguided view by the majority of wizards at the time. Contemporary literature suggests that Muggle-borns were not only accepted, but often considered to be particularly gifted. They went by the affectionate name of 'Magbobs' (there has been much debate about the origin of the term, but it seems most likely to be that in such a case, magic 'bobbed up' out of nowhere). quote:Where families adhered consistently to the practice of marrying within a very small group of fellow witches and wizards, mental and physical instability and weakness seems to result. Eugenics-wise, therefore, a rational person would want to kill off all the purebloods, probably. Rational means murderous, right?
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Fenrisulfr posted:On first reading I assumed the friend Dumbledore mentions was Snape, and that Dumbledore was admitting to purposefully sabotaging their relationship, but that was back before I knew anything about Yud so I assumed it had to have some kind of narrative purpose. Now that I know better I'm pretty sure the whole thing was just to set up a really lame pun in the next few lines and that's it. Red Mike posted:It's this. Dumbledore's the one going 'What would happen if X', and she's the one drinking an experimental potion that nearly killed her. If anyone thinks this might be some sort of Chekov's gun or something, this entire bit is never mentioned again as far as I know. You've already seen this Chekov's gun fire. This chapter posted:Harry squinted slightly. The yellowing pages seemed to be describing something called a potion of eagle's splendor, many of the ingredients being items that Harry didn't recognise at all and whose names didn't appear to derive from English. Scrawled in the margin was a handwritten annotation saying, I wonder what would happen if you used Thestral blood here instead of blueberries? and immediately beneath was a reply in different handwriting, You'd get sick for weeks and maybe die. Much earlier... posted:"Anyway," Petunia said, her voice small, "she gave in. She told me it was dangerous, and I said I didn't care any more, and I drank this potion and I was sick for weeks, but when I got better my skin cleared up and I finally filled out and... I was beautiful, people were nice to me," anilEhilated posted:Oh, and IIRC Eagle's Splendor is indeed a DnD charisma-boosting spell.
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Tunicate posted:She also said that before Slytherin started being a racist fucker, muggleborns had a reputation of being magically stronger. I like that pottermore is confined to one website where I can ignore the stupid bits and the contents are not jammed into extended cut special edition reprinted books. quote:Eugenics-wise, therefore, a rational person would want to kill off all the purebloods, probably. Rational means murderous, right? Is this Yud-flavored rationalism we are talking about? Because murder isn't that big of a jump from torture... http://lesswrong.com/lw/kn/torture_vs_dust_specks/
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i81icu812 posted:I like that pottermore is confined to one website where I can ignore the stupid bits and the contents are not jammed into extended cut special edition reprinted books. Like, did you know that before muggles invented the toilet, wizards would just piss against the wall and then magically clean it up?
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Massive loving spoilers on why the potions book thing matters: Dumbledore read a series of prophecies that required his manipulating Lily into getting Petunia to marry what's-his-face, among many many other things, so Harry would grow up in the exact set of circumstances to avert destruction of humanity by his own hands. Yes, it's a whole bunch of contrived bullshit.
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Chapter 17 – Locating the Hypothesis Part Twenty-Three quote:
Or it could just mean that he is going to kill and/or otherwise silence Eliezarry, which mean that the issue of trust is moot. Eliezarry is wise to take the most pessimistic interpretation given Dumbledore’s behavior so far. quote:
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He’s never hurt a student that you’ve heard of. quote:
He could also make your school life very difficult if you stay in his presence without a trusted adult guardian by your side, by making it so that you don’t have a life any more.
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Tunicate posted:Now that JKR has confirmed that she loves making sports fans upset with quidditch, I consider pottermore to be JKR's personal trolling outlet. I am increasingly convinced that trolling readers is a primary reason Rowling created Pottermore.
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So what the hell is going on in this intensely drawn out scene anyway? It seems like Dumbles is dropping creepy non-sequiturs and Harry remains his established rationalist madman eleven year old self.
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I actually really liked the potion book in the half-blood prince. Especially since Harry isn't a total idiot with it, up until Malfoy pisses him off.
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The Shortest Path posted:Massive loving spoilers on why the potions book thing matters: Dumbledore read a series of prophecies that required his manipulating Lily into getting Petunia to marry what's-his-face, among many many other things, so Harry would grow up in the exact set of circumstances to avert destruction of humanity by his own hands. Yes, it's a whole bunch of contrived bullshit. There's this movie I can't remember what it's called in which Menguele does this same thing but to produce a new Hitler. No joke. I know it's just a coincidence, but still: gently caress Yud.
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Furia posted:There's this movie I can't remember what it's called in which Menguele does this same thing but to produce a new Hitler. No joke. Boys from Brazil?
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The Shortest Path posted:Massive loving spoilers on why the potions book thing matters: Dumbledore read a series of prophecies that required his manipulating Lily into getting Petunia to marry what's-his-face, among many many other things, so Harry would grow up in the exact set of circumstances to avert destruction of humanity by his own hands. Yes, it's a whole bunch of contrived bullshit. Holy gently caress how does this man keep missing the point of the books so goddamned hard? The ENTIRE POINT that Dumbledore tried to get across during the books is the power of love. Having Dumbledore manipulate people into being together is 100% against his morals.
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Zonekeeper posted:Holy gently caress how does this man keep missing the point of the books so goddamned hard? Because he doesn't like them. Yud posted:[I r]ead the first 3 books, watched the next 5 movies, checked the wiki often, and most importantly, read at least a hundred other Harry Potter fanfictions. I know off the top of my head who Fleur Delacour's little sister is, in fact I've read a whole book about her bonding to Harry Potter's ghost after he dies in the Second Task of the Triwizard tournament.
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It's pretty hilarious that fanfiction is what he thinks of as 'grown up'. 
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One of the points of the story is that everything is darker and edgier because the characters are too rational tm to put their faith in love rather than science and logic. It's in opposition to the themes of the original work but Yud has never made that a secret what direction he was trying to pull the story. I actually like that Dumbledore is forced to cave his ideals because he's intelligent enough to recognize that his way is inferior (in the HPMOR world) but that his downfall occurs because he is unable to really abandon his true ideals at the most critical moment e: fb
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Chapter 17 – Locating the Hypothesis Part Twenty-Four quote:
If anything this supposedly “cynical / Slytherin” line of thinking is more naïve than the earlier-mentioned “Hufflepuff” and “Gryffindor” perspectives. Does Eliezarry really think that there’s any chance he could manipulate and coax secrets out of the centuries-old mega-powerful wizard instead of the other way around? quote:
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Travenum posted:Isn't the implication that since Dumbledore could turn himself invisible, it was him who gave Harry the cloak? There are other ways to turn invisible (at least in the real Harry Potter). The cloak is only unique in that it can't be damaged and lasts forever. I still don't get what the implication was supposed to be though.
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JosephWongKS posted:Why does Eliezarry make so many references to gaming terminology? Didn’t he spend all his free time reading books? Was it mentioned earlier on that he was a regular CRPG player on top of being an avid reader? He mentioned he never got to play (that would have involved social activity) but loved reading the sourcebooks. Also, when thinking about the hilarious naivety of his Slytherin voice, remember this is the story where manipulation is done by going 'Well hello, I am going to manipulate you now! I am so very clever.' and responded to with 'Oh my gosh, he's so dangerous and clever! But I'm being manipulated!'
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Night10194 posted:Also, when thinking about the hilarious naivety of his Slytherin voice, remember this is the story where manipulation is done by going 'Well hello, I am going to manipulate you now! I am so very clever.' and responded to with 'Oh my gosh, he's so dangerous and clever! But I'm being manipulated!'
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